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If he's headed UC's way he would appear to be a fine addition entering the Big 12.
 
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(01-31-2023 08:31 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  If he's headed UC's way he would appear to be a fine addition entering the Big 12.

The guy that runs the Louisville 247 said he’s heard he is heading your way.
 
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How many players from UL have followed Satt to UC?

It seems like there have been at least 2-3?
 
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(01-31-2023 11:34 AM)namrag Wrote:  How many players from UL have followed Satt to UC?

It seems like there have been at least 2-3?

I think this would make 4 transfers plus an incoming recruit or two.
 
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Is Joey Beljan tight end from Western Kentucky still committed? Not listed on our transfer committments on 247; maybe because he is a grad transfer. He will be a important addition if he pans out. Offense will be the major question with so many changes on the line and receiving corp. On defense at least on paper now I think it is shaping up as a very strong and maybe outstanding unit to make up very competitive against anyone on our schedule.
 
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(01-31-2023 12:51 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Is Joey Beljan tight end from Western Kentucky still committed? Not listed on our transfer committments on 247; maybe because he is a grad transfer. He will be a important addition if he pans out. Offense will be the major question with so many changes on the line and receiving corp. On defense at least on paper now I think it is shaping up as a very strong and maybe outstanding unit to make up very competitive against anyone on our schedule.

He is listed on the On3 transfer portal:

https://www.on3.com/college/cincinnati-b...ball/2023/
 
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(01-31-2023 04:40 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(01-31-2023 12:51 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  Is Joey Beljan tight end from Western Kentucky still committed? Not listed on our transfer committments on 247; maybe because he is a grad transfer. He will be a important addition if he pans out. Offense will be the major question with so many changes on the line and receiving corp. On defense at least on paper now I think it is shaping up as a very strong and maybe outstanding unit to make up very competitive against anyone on our schedule.

He is listed on the On3 transfer portal:

https://www.on3.com/college/cincinnati-b...ball/2023/

very dumb question - i've never looked on "On3" before - I see it lists a NIL value for most of the players. Is that necessarily what they're getting, or just a completely made up number - anyone care to educate? (told you it was a dumb qusetion)
 
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I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.
 
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(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

Who we talkin bout
 
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(03-13-2023 08:47 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

Who we talkin bout

Eason
 
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(03-13-2023 08:48 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 08:47 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

Who we talkin bout

Eason

Yeah that guy was awful….
 
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(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

I know it's popular among many to crap on everything Brannen, but I question the attempt to slam on everyone he recruited here except one as not "amounting to anything".

From his 2019 class, Harvey is looking like he might be a flame-out. But MAW (starter) and JD (partial starter) have developed into solid parts of our rotation and may not be finished yet. I'm not sure Vogt ever fully recovered from his 2019 injury here but he still became a solid rotational player for a 1st place team in the Big 10.

From 2020, Eason has proven to be a major talent who didn't thrive until he left. But I'm not sure you can completely blame Brannen for his proclivity for fouls and mistakes/turnovers here as a freshman (as noted in many a game-thread.) I thought by now that DeJulius had won over nearly all of the fanbase as a true Bearcat stalwart but I guess there's at least one straggler. I also think Vic was coming on like gang-busters prior to his late-season injury and I still have high hopes/expectations for him.

Among the others in the departed 2020 class, both Madsens have found significant roles at other P5 programs and averaged 21 and 30 minutes per game this year. Mikey has flashed but I'm not sure he'll ever be as consistently good as he perhaps thinks he is. Last I heard Rap was playing professionally in the NBL.

Even exempting Eason, I'd say those were two fairly productive classes at the college level of basketball in this new portal world with the books still open for several. Maybe we just have different definitions of "amounting to anything".
 
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Don't forget vik. He was a hell of a find. His recruiting was a mixed bag but had some real finds. The big issue was he couldn't keep anyone or get them to play for him, and he was abusive. The good Madsen was out after a few weeks. Tari hated him. Everyone was ready to bolt after year 2. But agreed, his eye for talent showed some promise
 
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(03-13-2023 09:23 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

I know it's popular among many to crap on everything Brannen, but I question the attempt to slam on everyone he recruited here except one as not "amounting to anything".

From his 2019 class, Harvey is looking like he might be a flame-out. But MAW (starter) and JD (partial starter) have developed into solid parts of our rotation and may not be finished yet. I'm not sure Vogt ever fully recovered from his 2019 injury here but he still became a solid rotational player for a 1st place team in the Big 10.

From 2020, Eason has proven to be a major talent who didn't thrive until he left. But I'm not sure you can completely blame Brannen for his proclivity for fouls and mistakes/turnovers here as a freshman (as noted in many a game-thread.) I thought by now that DeJulius had won over nearly all of the fanbase as a true Bearcat stalwart but I guess there's at least one straggler. I also think Vic was coming on like gang-busters prior to his late-season injury and I still have high hopes/expectations for him.

Among the others in the departed 2020 class, both Madsens have found significant roles at other P5 programs and averaged 21 and 30 minutes per game this year. Mikey has flashed but I'm not sure he'll ever be as consistently good as he perhaps thinks he is. Last I heard Rap was playing professionally in the NBL.

Even exempting Eason, I'd say those were two fairly productive classes at the college level of basketball in this new portal world with the books still open for several. Maybe we just have different definitions of "amounting to anything".

I guess I should've clarified that I meant from the population who left UC. Statistically, JD is a better player in about every metric than Gabe Madsen and MAW is the same in comparison to Mason Madsen. The other two mentioned previous have been essentially zeroes, and the best player he had he mismanaged.

He was a very good talent evaluator honestly, just a terrible talent utilizer IMO.
 
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(03-13-2023 09:55 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 09:23 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 07:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I know this was a football post, but given the title I figured I'd throw this in here.

Mikey Saunders has entered the portal once again...would be his 3rd school in 3 years.

Another former Bearcat, Zach Harvey is already in the portal after spending two years at UCSB.

Funny that the only guy from Brannen's tenure here that amounted to anything was the guy he actively found reasons not to play.

I know it's popular among many to crap on everything Brannen, but I question the attempt to slam on everyone he recruited here except one as not "amounting to anything".

From his 2019 class, Harvey is looking like he might be a flame-out. But MAW (starter) and JD (partial starter) have developed into solid parts of our rotation and may not be finished yet. I'm not sure Vogt ever fully recovered from his 2019 injury here but he still became a solid rotational player for a 1st place team in the Big 10.

From 2020, Eason has proven to be a major talent who didn't thrive until he left. But I'm not sure you can completely blame Brannen for his proclivity for fouls and mistakes/turnovers here as a freshman (as noted in many a game-thread.) I thought by now that DeJulius had won over nearly all of the fanbase as a true Bearcat stalwart but I guess there's at least one straggler. I also think Vic was coming on like gang-busters prior to his late-season injury and I still have high hopes/expectations for him.

Among the others in the departed 2020 class, both Madsens have found significant roles at other P5 programs and averaged 21 and 30 minutes per game this year. Mikey has flashed but I'm not sure he'll ever be as consistently good as he perhaps thinks he is. Last I heard Rap was playing professionally in the NBL.

Even exempting Eason, I'd say those were two fairly productive classes at the college level of basketball in this new portal world with the books still open for several. Maybe we just have different definitions of "amounting to anything".

I guess I should've clarified that I meant from the population who left UC. Statistically, JD is a better player in about every metric than Gabe Madsen and MAW is the same in comparison to Mason Madsen.
The other two mentioned previous have been essentially zeroes, and the best player he had he mismanaged.

He was a very good talent evaluator honestly, just a terrible talent utilizer IMO.

I think JD gets criticized worse than he deserves, but I haven't seen the metrics that show him particularly better than Gabe this year especially taking defense into account. But even if I accept these revised premises, it still seems unnecessarily harsh to imply by corollary that JD and MAW haven't amounted to anything.

I also think a lot of the Eason mismanagement (specifically on the court) criticism is revisionist. My clear recollection of him here was that Eason flashed great talent, but he was a foul machine and prone to mistakes and turnovers. I guess one can partially blame Brannen for not coaching him into something better more quickly, but the reality is that tends to come with the territory with the majority of freshmen in my opinion. You have to work with what you have.
 
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(03-13-2023 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I also think a lot of the Eason mismanagement (specifically on the court) criticism is revisionist. My clear recollection of him here was that Eason flashed great talent, but he was a foul machine and prone to mistakes and turnovers. I guess one can partially blame Brannen for not coaching him into something better more quickly, but the reality is that tends to come with the territory with the majority of freshmen in my opinion. You have to work with what you have.

At the time I defended it because he was a foul/TO machine. However the guy in the two years after he had a huge year at LSU and is contributing in the NBA. I think it's beyond fair to say that Brannen should have been able to get more out of him.
 
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(03-14-2023 08:45 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I also think a lot of the Eason mismanagement (specifically on the court) criticism is revisionist. My clear recollection of him here was that Eason flashed great talent, but he was a foul machine and prone to mistakes and turnovers. I guess one can partially blame Brannen for not coaching him into something better more quickly, but the reality is that tends to come with the territory with the majority of freshmen in my opinion. You have to work with what you have.

At the time I defended it because he was a foul/TO machine. However the guy in the two years after he had a huge year at LSU and is contributing in the NBA. I think it's beyond fair to say that Brannen should have been able to get more out of him.

Yeah but that's what I'm saying about it being revisionist. Out of curiosity I just checked 247 and it looks like Eason was only the composite 138th-ranked recruit in his class coming out of HS. So it's not like "the experts" thought he was a nearly finished product when he arrived.

I'm not saying it's a perfect comparison but look at Vic prior to his injury this year compared to what he was last year in his first year actually playing college basketball. Should Wes have gotten more out of him earlier or does it just take some time with many players? How much of it is on the player v. the coach and who does the "buck" stop with? Even if both are striving for it, is getting things to "click" something that can be controlled or rushed? I don't know the definitive answers and I'm skeptical of anyone, especially a fan outside the program, who thinks he does.

But hopefully Skillings will have us asking the same questions next year 03-wink
 
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(03-14-2023 11:18 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 08:45 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I also think a lot of the Eason mismanagement (specifically on the court) criticism is revisionist. My clear recollection of him here was that Eason flashed great talent, but he was a foul machine and prone to mistakes and turnovers. I guess one can partially blame Brannen for not coaching him into something better more quickly, but the reality is that tends to come with the territory with the majority of freshmen in my opinion. You have to work with what you have.

At the time I defended it because he was a foul/TO machine. However the guy in the two years after he had a huge year at LSU and is contributing in the NBA. I think it's beyond fair to say that Brannen should have been able to get more out of him.

Yeah but that's what I'm saying about it being revisionist. Out of curiosity I just checked 247 and it looks like Eason was only the composite 138th-ranked recruit in his class coming out of HS. So it's not like "the experts" thought he was a nearly finished product when he arrived.

I'm not saying it's a perfect comparison but look at Vic prior to his injury this year compared to what he was last year in his first year actually playing college basketball. Should Wes have gotten more out of him earlier or does it just take some time with many players? How much of it is on the player v. the coach and who does the "buck" stop with? Even if both are striving for it, is getting things to "click" something that can be controlled or rushed? I don't know the definitive answers and I'm skeptical of anyone, especially a fan outside the program, who thinks he does.

But hopefully Skillings will have us asking the same questions next year 03-wink

I think the big thing was general mismanagement for Eason. He was being used primarily as a low post player by Brannen, despite it being pretty obvious based on tape and his play style that he was a rim runner and more of a high post/perimeter forward. It wasn't necessarily thinking he was an NBA guy when he was a freshman, it was just a lot of people clearly seeing he wasn't what he was being made to be in the game plan. His fouls were far more associated with him being played out of position and in a place he was never used to than anything else. TOs were a different story, but that's a freshman being a freshman. I think starting Rob Banks at Temple over Eason was the last straw for me.

I sincerely apologize for offering up a way to derail a dead thread...my bad there.
 
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(03-14-2023 11:53 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 11:18 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 08:45 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(03-13-2023 11:03 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I also think a lot of the Eason mismanagement (specifically on the court) criticism is revisionist. My clear recollection of him here was that Eason flashed great talent, but he was a foul machine and prone to mistakes and turnovers. I guess one can partially blame Brannen for not coaching him into something better more quickly, but the reality is that tends to come with the territory with the majority of freshmen in my opinion. You have to work with what you have.

At the time I defended it because he was a foul/TO machine. However the guy in the two years after he had a huge year at LSU and is contributing in the NBA. I think it's beyond fair to say that Brannen should have been able to get more out of him.

Yeah but that's what I'm saying about it being revisionist. Out of curiosity I just checked 247 and it looks like Eason was only the composite 138th-ranked recruit in his class coming out of HS. So it's not like "the experts" thought he was a nearly finished product when he arrived.

I'm not saying it's a perfect comparison but look at Vic prior to his injury this year compared to what he was last year in his first year actually playing college basketball. Should Wes have gotten more out of him earlier or does it just take some time with many players? How much of it is on the player v. the coach and who does the "buck" stop with? Even if both are striving for it, is getting things to "click" something that can be controlled or rushed? I don't know the definitive answers and I'm skeptical of anyone, especially a fan outside the program, who thinks he does.

But hopefully Skillings will have us asking the same questions next year 03-wink

I think the big thing was general mismanagement for Eason. He was being used primarily as a low post player by Brannen, despite it being pretty obvious based on tape and his play style that he was a rim runner and more of a high post/perimeter forward. It wasn't necessarily thinking he was an NBA guy when he was a freshman, it was just a lot of people clearly seeing he wasn't what he was being made to be in the game plan. His fouls were far more associated with him being played out of position and in a place he was never used to than anything else. TOs were a different story, but that's a freshman being a freshman. I think starting Rob Banks at Temple over Eason was the last straw for me.

I sincerely apologize for offering up a way to derail a dead thread...my bad there.

I think that goes back to my comment above "You have to work with what you have." Looking back at the roster, the only guys we had 6-8 or taller aside from Eason were Vogt, Rap (who left to go pro pretty early in the season as I recall) and Diarra. Even before getting into quality, that's not a lot of options period.

I don't know Brannen's reasons (maybe a player making the same mistakes too often?), but it's hard for me to get worked up about Banks starting one game rather than Eason. Especially a game in which we actually won against a team well known for playing a slow half-court game (Temple was 296th in scoring that year) not very conducive to Eason per your description (final score was 63-60 btw.)

In service of further overkill, I'll also note that Eason played more minutes (12 to 9) than Banks in that game despite not scoring a single point with 2 turnovers and 2 fouls. (In fairness, Banks didn't score either but ya gotta work with what you have I guess haha).

I'm probably the only one and I'm not sure there's much more to say but I think it's an interesting discussion with some broader ramifications (albeit off-topic - sorry).
 
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The Rob Banks thing is so silly. It was a COVID thing. A bunch of players were sick during and leading up to the game, and he didn't think Eason was well enough to play a full load.
 
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