(11-27-2022 03:22 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Cignetti may get a mention (or two) when P5 openings get discussed, but he’s not going to leave JMU, at least not voluntarily.

One name not on the list is Helton at Georgia Southern. Should he win a bowl game (or two) I wouldn’t be surprised to see his career resurrected at a lower P5. A winning pedigree at GSU and past USC tenure might make him attractive to a struggling P5 in the SEC or Big 10.

Nah he's still got a ways to go to fix what people saw as wrong with him. Highly doubtful he goes somewhere after struggling to a 6-6 finish after being 5-3 earlier in the season. If he has an impressive year next year then there's a better chance.

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:33 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  LH, I can certainly get thinking Cig will probably stay but I can't understand being so certain of it. I do feel he's far more likely to stick around than I thought Withers or Houston were, but it's never anywhere close to a certainty.

I also tend to think he'd be content to stay and build his legacy, like his Dad did.
That said, I'm also not as absolutely convinced as Longhorn is. And I did find it a bit odd that he mentioned in his postgame TV interview, that he felt good enough to coach 10-15 more years. Seemed like something you'd say to potential future employers rather than your current one. It just seemed out of place.

Context is for kings! Cignetti was asked what he’d learned about himself over the past two years of COVID and FBS transition. He basically said nothing, that as a coach’s son, a long time assistant, and head coach at other schools, that he’s pretty much done and seen everything. Then he said he had six years left on his contract and felt like he could coach 10 or 15 more good years. To me, it didn’t sound at all like a coach thinking about leaving. He said he knew exactly what to do when the move to FBS was announced, and he knows exactly what to do next…at JMU.

(11-27-2022 05:51 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:59 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I doubt John Sumrall leaves after this season but I could be wrong.

Not that I believe he would leave for an AAC school, but I believe he was the DC at Tulane before coming to Troy with Neal Brown. They have an opening now that Fritz has been hired by GT. I don't think Sumrall leaves after one season either, but you never know.

Kinda hate that Fritz is heading to GT.

(11-27-2022 03:48 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:22 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Cignetti may get a mention (or two) when P5 openings get discussed, but he’s not going to leave JMU, at least not voluntarily.

One name not on the list is Helton at Georgia Southern. Should he win a bowl game (or two) I wouldn’t be surprised to see his career resurrected at a lower P5. A winning pedigree at GSU and past USC tenure might make him attractive to a struggling P5 in the SEC or Big 10.

What’s his salary with bonuses?

Presently around $1 mil.

It’s his age that’s the issue tho, and associated personal dynamics that will keep Cignetti at JMU. He’s not leaving for a low P5, and higher P5s are not coming for a 62 year old coach with 1 year of G5 FBS experience. He’ll be 63 after season number 2 in the SBC, so the odds of Cignetti leaving (saying he’s as successful, or even more so in 2023) just keep getting longer. He recently signed a 6 year extension on his contract, and said he thought he might coach another 10-15 years. Time will tell.

Acknowledging “money talks and BS walks” the circumstances still have to be right, and there are many, many other young(er) HC prospects out there waiting for a P5 job to come calling. Cignetti has a sweet situation where he sits, and he’s smart enough to know it.

(11-27-2022 09:20 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:33 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  LH, I can certainly get thinking Cig will probably stay but I can't understand being so certain of it. I do feel he's far more likely to stick around than I thought Withers or Houston were, but it's never anywhere close to a certainty.

I also tend to think he'd be content to stay and build his legacy, like his Dad did.
That said, I'm also not as absolutely convinced as Longhorn is. And I did find it a bit odd that he mentioned in his postgame TV interview, that he felt good enough to coach 10-15 more years. Seemed like something you'd say to potential future employers rather than your current one. It just seemed out of place.

Context is for kings! Cignetti was asked what he’d learned about himself over the past two years of COVID and FBS transition. He basically said nothing, that as a coach’s son, a long time assistant, and head coach at other schools, that he’s pretty much done and seen everything. Then he said he had six years left on his contract and felt like he could coach 10 or 15 more good years. To me, it didn’t sound at all like a coach thinking about leaving. He said he knew exactly what to do when the move to FBS was announced, and he knows exactly what to do next…at JMU.

Cignetti’s comments struck me the same way. It very much came across as to mean he was building something at JMU, and he knew exactly how he wanted to do it.

Of course, nothing in life is certain, right? Except death and taxes.

FWIW Cignetti also said in his post-game press conference that institutional membership in leagues/conferences are fluid, suggesting JMU may find itself impacted by future opportunities.

I don’t see Cignetti’s comments as anything more than recognizing the reality of the present college coaching world, and it wasn’t meant to suggest JMU’s commitment to the SBC will change anytime soon.

If past history is any guide, we know JMU is loyal to a fault to its current league, and all JMU administrations have been very cautious and conservative about making changes. It’s part of JMU’s DNA…as is born out by the fact that in nearly 120 years of existence JMU has been led by only 6 presidents. Yep, six…for better or worse. The good side of that history is that JMU’s administrative stability has = a steady, slow, and strategically deliberative process to its decision making. It’s exactly the kind of situation that matches Cignetti’s own personality and career path.

Go Dukes!

(11-28-2022 06:54 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 09:20 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:33 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  LH, I can certainly get thinking Cig will probably stay but I can't understand being so certain of it. I do feel he's far more likely to stick around than I thought Withers or Houston were, but it's never anywhere close to a certainty.

I also tend to think he'd be content to stay and build his legacy, like his Dad did.
That said, I'm also not as absolutely convinced as Longhorn is. And I did find it a bit odd that he mentioned in his postgame TV interview, that he felt good enough to coach 10-15 more years. Seemed like something you'd say to potential future employers rather than your current one. It just seemed out of place.

Context is for kings! Cignetti was asked what he’d learned about himself over the past two years of COVID and FBS transition. He basically said nothing, that as a coach’s son, a long time assistant, and head coach at other schools, that he’s pretty much done and seen everything. Then he said he had six years left on his contract and felt like he could coach 10 or 15 more good years. To me, it didn’t sound at all like a coach thinking about leaving. He said he knew exactly what to do when the move to FBS was announced, and he knows exactly what to do next…at JMU.

Cignetti’s comments struck me the same way. It very much came across as to mean he was building something at JMU, and he knew exactly how he wanted to do it.

Of course, nothing in life is certain, right? Except death and taxes.

FWIW Cignetti also said in his post-game press conference that institutional membership in leagues/conferences are fluid, suggesting JMU may find itself impacted by future opportunities.

I don’t see Cignetti’s comments as anything more than recognizing the reality of the present college coaching world, and it wasn’t meant to suggest JMU’s commitment to the SBC will change anytime soon.

If past history is any guide, we know JMU is loyal to a fault to its current league, and all JMU administrations have been very cautious and conservative about making changes. It’s part of JMU’s DNA…as is born out by the fact that in nearly 120 years of existence JMU has been led by only 6 presidents. Yep, six…for better or worse. The good side of that history is that JMU’s administrative stability has = a steady, slow, and strategically deliberative process to its decision making. It’s exactly the kind of situation that matches Cignetti’s own personality and career path.

Go Dukes!

Yeah, his age may be an issue with other programs wanting to take a chance as well if he wants to take on the challenge of taking over another program. I was thinking Lance Liepold as a potential comparison. He's a couple of years younger but initial contract had him making nearly $3 million per year at Kansas with a 6 year deal. Willie Fritz is another comparison if he gets the GT job. Cignetti may not care about the money and be happy to stay at JMU, but I could see with his Alabama experience that a team may be wanting to get him in. Also, if the West Virginia job opens up I wonder if they'd look t him since he's a former player.

I know not all things are about money, but for someone nearing retirement it may be hard to turn down a guaranteed $15-$20 million over the next 5-6 years if the opportunity presents itself.

(11-28-2022 08:49 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 06:54 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 09:20 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:33 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  LH, I can certainly get thinking Cig will probably stay but I can't understand being so certain of it. I do feel he's far more likely to stick around than I thought Withers or Houston were, but it's never anywhere close to a certainty.

I also tend to think he'd be content to stay and build his legacy, like his Dad did.
That said, I'm also not as absolutely convinced as Longhorn is. And I did find it a bit odd that he mentioned in his postgame TV interview, that he felt good enough to coach 10-15 more years. Seemed like something you'd say to potential future employers rather than your current one. It just seemed out of place.

Context is for kings! Cignetti was asked what he’d learned about himself over the past two years of COVID and FBS transition. He basically said nothing, that as a coach’s son, a long time assistant, and head coach at other schools, that he’s pretty much done and seen everything. Then he said he had six years left on his contract and felt like he could coach 10 or 15 more good years. To me, it didn’t sound at all like a coach thinking about leaving. He said he knew exactly what to do when the move to FBS was announced, and he knows exactly what to do next…at JMU.

Cignetti’s comments struck me the same way. It very much came across as to mean he was building something at JMU, and he knew exactly how he wanted to do it.

Of course, nothing in life is certain, right? Except death and taxes.

FWIW Cignetti also said in his post-game press conference that institutional membership in leagues/conferences are fluid, suggesting JMU may find itself impacted by future opportunities.

I don’t see Cignetti’s comments as anything more than recognizing the reality of the present college coaching world, and it wasn’t meant to suggest JMU’s commitment to the SBC will change anytime soon.

If past history is any guide, we know JMU is loyal to a fault to its current league, and all JMU administrations have been very cautious and conservative about making changes. It’s part of JMU’s DNA…as is born out by the fact that in nearly 120 years of existence JMU has been led by only 6 presidents. Yep, six…for better or worse. The good side of that history is that JMU’s administrative stability has = a steady, slow, and strategically deliberative process to its decision making. It’s exactly the kind of situation that matches Cignetti’s own personality and career path.

Go Dukes!

Yeah, his age may be an issue with other programs wanting to take a chance as well if he wants to take on the challenge of taking over another program. I was thinking Lance Liepold as a potential comparison. He's a couple of years younger but initial contract had him making nearly $3 million per year at Kansas with a 6 year deal. Willie Fritz is another comparison if he gets the GT job. Cignetti may not care about the money and be happy to stay at JMU, but I could see with his Alabama experience that a team may be wanting to get him in. Also, if the West Virginia job opens up I wonder if they'd look t him since he's a former player.

I know not all things are about money, but for someone nearing retirement it, may be hard to turn down a guaranteed $15-$20 million over the next 5-6 years if the opportunity presents itself.

West Virginia would be the one job that would worry if it opened up.

It is funny to me how fans see coaching as some kind of a loyalty issue. Coaching is a business. A BIG business. No one here would stay at their job out of loyalty if offered 10 times as much at another business with a ton more perks. It’s just silly to think a coach stays put out of love for a school.

If I were a P5 AD, I wouldn't hire Chadwell until he shows me he can win at a high level without Grayson McCall.

(11-28-2022 08:59 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It is funny to me how fans see coaching as some kind of a loyalty issue. Coaching is a business. A BIG business. No one here would stay at their job out of loyalty if offered 10 times as much at another business with a ton more perks. It’s just silly to think a coach stays put out of love for a school.

I don't see it as a loyalty issue. I know it's a big business, but it won't stop your former coworkers being pissed off at you for leaving with 50% of your employees and some of their accounts.

(11-28-2022 09:51 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 08:59 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It is funny to me how fans see coaching as some kind of a loyalty issue. Coaching is a business. A BIG business. No one here would stay at their job out of loyalty if offered 10 times as much at another business with a ton more perks. It’s just silly to think a coach stays put out of love for a school.

I don't see it as a loyalty issue. I know it's a big business, but it won't stop your former coworkers being pissed off at you for leaving with 50% of your employees and some of their accounts.

Believe me, I feel your pain. Monken left us two weeks before signing day with absolutely no notice. Chased the NFL before coming back to Georgia as OC. Don’t know if that is a black mark on him getting a head coaching job now but it is what it is.

(11-28-2022 08:59 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It is funny to me how fans see coaching as some kind of a loyalty issue. Coaching is a business. A BIG business. No one here would stay at their job out of loyalty if offered 10 times as much at another business with a ton more perks. It’s just silly to think a coach stays put out of love for a school.

Most, but not all. I chase happiness and purpose, and not money. But I’m weird, I guess.

(11-28-2022 11:04 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 09:51 AM)Complacent Cajun Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 08:59 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  It is funny to me how fans see coaching as some kind of a loyalty issue. Coaching is a business. A BIG business. No one here would stay at their job out of loyalty if offered 10 times as much at another business with a ton more perks. It’s just silly to think a coach stays put out of love for a school.

I don't see it as a loyalty issue. I know it's a big business, but it won't stop your former coworkers being pissed off at you for leaving with 50% of your employees and some of their accounts.

Believe me, I feel your pain. Monken left us two weeks before signing day with absolutely no notice. Chased the NFL before coming back to Georgia as OC. Don’t know if that is a black mark on him getting a head coaching job now but it is what it is.

So it is a business, but your implication is that Monken should have been loyal? What coach does give notice?

Chadwell to USF is happening??

(11-28-2022 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Chadwell to USF is happening??

Who knows? Maybe another excuse for why the team played like s***? USF though...really?

(11-28-2022 08:58 AM)jgonz007 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 08:49 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 06:54 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 09:20 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  I also tend to think he'd be content to stay and build his legacy, like his Dad did.
That said, I'm also not as absolutely convinced as Longhorn is. And I did find it a bit odd that he mentioned in his postgame TV interview, that he felt good enough to coach 10-15 more years. Seemed like something you'd say to potential future employers rather than your current one. It just seemed out of place.

Context is for kings! Cignetti was asked what he’d learned about himself over the past two years of COVID and FBS transition. He basically said nothing, that as a coach’s son, a long time assistant, and head coach at other schools, that he’s pretty much done and seen everything. Then he said he had six years left on his contract and felt like he could coach 10 or 15 more good years. To me, it didn’t sound at all like a coach thinking about leaving. He said he knew exactly what to do when the move to FBS was announced, and he knows exactly what to do next…at JMU.

Cignetti’s comments struck me the same way. It very much came across as to mean he was building something at JMU, and he knew exactly how he wanted to do it.

Of course, nothing in life is certain, right? Except death and taxes.

FWIW Cignetti also said in his post-game press conference that institutional membership in leagues/conferences are fluid, suggesting JMU may find itself impacted by future opportunities.

I don’t see Cignetti’s comments as anything more than recognizing the reality of the present college coaching world, and it wasn’t meant to suggest JMU’s commitment to the SBC will change anytime soon.

If past history is any guide, we know JMU is loyal to a fault to its current league, and all JMU administrations have been very cautious and conservative about making changes. It’s part of JMU’s DNA…as is born out by the fact that in nearly 120 years of existence JMU has been led by only 6 presidents. Yep, six…for better or worse. The good side of that history is that JMU’s administrative stability has = a steady, slow, and strategically deliberative process to its decision making. It’s exactly the kind of situation that matches Cignetti’s own personality and career path.

Go Dukes!

Yeah, his age may be an issue with other programs wanting to take a chance as well if he wants to take on the challenge of taking over another program. I was thinking Lance Liepold as a potential comparison. He's a couple of years younger but initial contract had him making nearly $3 million per year at Kansas with a 6 year deal. Willie Fritz is another comparison if he gets the GT job. Cignetti may not care about the money and be happy to stay at JMU, but I could see with his Alabama experience that a team may be wanting to get him in. Also, if the West Virginia job opens up I wonder if they'd look t him since he's a former player.

I know not all things are about money, but for someone nearing retirement it, may be hard to turn down a guaranteed $15-$20 million over the next 5-6 years if the opportunity presents itself.

West Virginia would be the one job that would worry if it opened up.

I think you’re right about a WVU opening, however, that doesn’t appear to be happening anytime soon, and by the time that coaching opportunity “might” open Cignetti would be that much older. Would WVU be interested in a 65 year old HC? I seriously doubt it.

(11-28-2022 02:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Chadwell to USF is happening??

Who knows? Maybe another excuse for why the team played like s***? USF though...really?

USF was a good job, once upon a time. (Tampa, great recruiting location, building a new on-campus stadium, etc.) On PAPER it is probably a better job than Coastal. But only on paper.

The last couple bad hires killed all of their momentum and are a big reason they're staying in the AAC for the time being.

Skip Holtz made the mistake of leaving ECU as we were peaking for USF, and we see how that turned out. Hopefully Chadwell doesn't do the same.

(11-28-2022 02:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Chadwell to USF is happening??

Who knows? Maybe another excuse for why the team played like s***? USF though...really?

Money money MONEY!

(11-28-2022 02:36 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 02:24 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:39 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Chadwell to USF is happening??

Who knows? Maybe another excuse for why the team played like s***? USF though...really?

USF was a good job, once upon a time. (Tampa, great recruiting location, building a new on-campus stadium, etc.) On PAPER it is probably a better job than Coastal. But only on paper.

The last couple bad hires killed all of their momentum and are a big reason they're staying in the AAC for the time being.

Skip Holtz made the mistake of leaving ECU as we were peaking for USF, and we see how that turned out. Hopefully Chadwell doesn't do the same.

A move like that would tell me that Chadwell knows his success is hitched to McCall and is jumping on a bigger check before it's too late.

We haven't seen much success without McCall yet. Coastal may very well be dodging a bullet if that became true. Would potentially be beneficial to end that era and bring in a new staff.

Sounds like the Freeze to Auburn deal is finally done. Will be interesting to see who they go after next. Knowing Liberty, I would assume it will either be Thanos or Freddy Krueger.