(11-27-2022 03:21 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:18 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:11 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  ....and the proximity of nearby A&M and Houston also doesn’t help recruiting.

I don't think that's really an issue. There's been a lot of wasted talent come through at TXST since 2010.

It is a non issue there is plenty of talent in the state and region to go around or atleast be competitive.

I would think so, but obviously something is off and impacting the ability to get TXST FB going in the right direction. You can’t fire the players, so the HC and staff bear the responsibility and pay the price. It’s baffling how in a decade the Bobcats are still floundering.

I liked Spav as a person, but it's about time. Fingers crossed that we can knock this hire out of the park and get this ship turned around. Can't wait to see who the candidates are. I definitely agreed with Spavs transfer portal logic but hopefully we get someone who can rebuild bridges with the high school coaches in Central Texas.

(11-27-2022 03:03 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  I read elsewhere this was decided a couple weeks back. Not sure the validity of that rumor but TXST was making a change regardless of last night’s outcome.

Wouldn't surprise me.
He really should've been fired last year. Only a perfect storm of the former president and AD retiring, new AD hired over the summer last year and new incoming president coming this past June kept Spavital as HC.

Also, looking at the assistant coaches, there really wasn't anyone there, aside from Jake's brother Zach, that would be qualified to fill in as interim HC. While personally I would've rolled with it anyway, (I doubt our record would've been any different) I guess the AD decided it was best to let the season play out.

Bobcat fans, what are your thoughts of Applewhite over there? I know he's familiar with that area, but I've seen mixed opinions on his coaching performance as Houston. Have you heard of any names being tossed around yet?

(11-27-2022 04:04 PM)TxSt1992 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 03:03 PM)Big Buds Wrote:  I read elsewhere this was decided a couple weeks back. Not sure the validity of that rumor but TXST was making a change regardless of last night’s outcome.

Wouldn't surprise me.
He really should've been fired last year. Only a perfect storm of the former president and AD retiring, new AD hired over the summer last year and new incoming president coming this past June kept Spavital as HC.

Also, looking at the assistant coaches, there really wasn't anyone there, aside from Jake's brother Zach, that would be qualified to fill in as interim HC. While personally I would've rolled with it anyway, (I doubt our record would've been any different) I guess the AD decided it was best to let the season play out.

Word is a national search has been underway for a few weeks now. At least on the TXST/Louisiana game thread. Y’all have a new AD? If so, he is very proactive. As a fan, I would love it!

Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Rich rod.

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

Still melting over that embarrassing loss to Sam in the playoffs, huh?

Isn’t he the coach that didn’t sign any high school players and went for all transfers? I might have him confused with another coach.

(11-27-2022 05:43 PM)StroKat Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

Still melting over that embarrassing loss to Sam in the playoffs, huh?

Yeah, I'm sure they are.

Troll's gonna troll.

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Withers was riding the previous coach's coattails at JMU (recruits, returners) then when they started to graduate chinks in the armor started to show (if I remember JMU banter after we hired him. If I'm wrong, please correct me.) TXST "powers that be" didn't do their homework. (they never did)
He came in and ran off some damn good players and we never recovered.
Having people that can't recruit, or can't coach up players from HS to FBS level has been a problem ever since. There have been exceptions, like Mayo, Rak, Bartu and Brewer but they didn't coach them up. They were already that good. They just didn't mess with their talent (thankfully.)

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

Maybe, but Sam Houston isn't JMU and Keeler has much more post-season success at Delaware and SHSU.

Keeler would be a mistake in my opinion. I don't think he'd quite be Withers 2.0, but I don't think he'd be a whole lot better either. To use another JMU coach analogy, I think it'd be closer to hiring Mickey Matthews as HC right now. I love Mickey but JMU football outgrew him and if he couldn't keep up with the 2010's CAA he wouldn't be able to with the 2020's SBC.

Keeler was strong at Delaware for a while, then fell off and was fired. Fritz built a contender at SHSU, then Keeler was hired and they've been a pretender that just runs up a strong record on a soft conference. All while he acts as arrogant as Withers.

If you're going with an FCS HC, which I always think is a safer bet than a coordinator, I'd be thinking about the guys I mentioned. Troy Taylor took a program that hasn't had a HC above .500 in his time there since 78-92 and now he's 29-7 playing in one of the top FCS conferences and has them 11-0 this year. Jay Hill turned a pretty weak Weber State program in to one of NDSU/JMU's best challengers. Jeff Choate is a coordinator now(co-DC at Texas so surely should have good recruiting ties in state) but took a Montana State program that had gone downhill and gradually turned them around. Brent Vigen then took it to the next level.

If I'm Texas State I'd want as little risk for another swing and miss as possible. I'd want someone with recent head coach success against solid competition, preferably showing the ability to turn around a program that's down.

Whoever the Bobcats hire needs to have a minimum of six years guaranteed to clean up the mess left by Spavital and his plan to ignore HS recruits for transfers.

The UIW coach would be a great fit, but not sure he would leave a playoff contender for this rebuild catastrophe.

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

I thought about Mike London too, I'd feel a little iffy about that one though if I'm TXST. He's had FCS success at programs that have been good before him, but at a higher level and struggling program he really failed at UVA. I don't think I'd feel confident enough about which result to expect in San Marcos. I'd definitely stay away from Entz, they seem to have taken a bit of a step back with him. Plus he's the furthest thing from a guy who's had to turn a program around.

(11-27-2022 06:48 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 05:38 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 04:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Go for KC Keeler.

People can point to the failure of Everett Withers but the problem with that hire was Texas State overestimated how easy it is to win at JMU in the modern CAA.

Guess what, it's even easier in the SoftLand and WAC. That conference is a joke in FCS.

Sincerely believe hiring KCK would be a tragic mistake. I think Texas St can do better. Heck, hire NDSU's coach if going that route. Or Mike London from W&M.

I thought about Mike London too, I'd feel a little iffy about that one though if I'm TXST. He's had FCS success at programs that have been good before him, but at a higher level and struggling program he really failed at UVA. I don't think I'd feel confident enough about which result to expect in San Marcos. I'd definitely stay away from Entz, they seem to have taken a bit of a step back with him. Plus he's the furthest thing from a guy who's had to turn a program around.

I was being a little lazy with the names I tossed out, but think they would still be much better than KCK. Entz isn't quite what his predecessor was, still seems they could repeat. He would understand how to build a successful program. SHSU looked like hot garbage this year. One lucky streak in the covid spring season doesn't mean much.

Vigen and some of the others mentioned could be very good candidates. Montana St slaughtered Montana this year, and looks like a favorite to reach the semis or Frisco again. Vigen comes from the Bohl/NDSU coaching tree also.

Not interested in Keeler

We can make Butch Jones available for the right price...

A lot of people think this is a good job. I'm not one of them.

Facilities are way behind. Team has to practice at a high school field because they don't have an indoor practice facility.

Their weight room is antiquated and not fit for a Division II school.

Now, I hear there are plans to rectify that, but we're talking lots of millions of dollars that TXST athletics doesn't have unless donors are finally starting to wake up.

And, you think recruiting is easy? Every single school in the Big XII recruits Central Texas heavily. And, add to that Missouri, Arkansas and LSU from the SEC and all the P5 talent is gobbled up.

Then you have to worry about UTSA, a school that has their program at a different level and North Texas to worry about.

I'm not saying Spav needed to become transfer U. But there's a reason why TXSt has been down ever since they moved up to FBS.