(11-27-2022 12:11 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:22 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:56 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 08:56 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Congrats to Matt Thule the newest coach to get paid a ton of money to fail at Nebraska. No one can win there anymore. It's a coaching graveyard.

I love how people assume that Nebraska, with all their resources and fan enthusiasm, can't win anymore. Put Urban Meyer there instead of tOSU 10 years ago and Nebraska wins a title and tOSU is called a "place nobody wants to go b/c it's cold in Ohio". Nebraska might do well with Rhule, they might not, but they'll always be in the mix b/c of their resources, boosters, and enthusiastic fan engagement.

I think it's pretty fair to question if the specific set-up that allowed Nebraska to at one point achieve their elite status hasn't changed to the point that a potential elite level status is no longer possible in Lincoln.

Of course it has, but well-run athletic departments are able to adapt and use the momentum that previous success gave them. Nebraska's athletic department, and arguably university, has been poorly led for the last 20 years, and like others have said in this thread, the athletic department has factions that aren't just not on the same page, they aren't even reading the same book. I hope Rhule is successful, but it's such a hostile environment with a lot of outside meddling. It's become the Auburn of the midwest.

It is kind of interesting that Frost's dirty laundry getting aired has led to a bit of a backlash against the Osborne and Solich-era guys making it about themselves, and even some fans getting upset at Osborne himself.

Winning is the best deodorant. When you're losing, everyone wants to blame everyone else, the knives really come out. Auburn and Nebraska have struggled for years, it's really not that surprising to see this. Bama is probably going to have this a bit once Saban retires, nobody will ever be able to live up to what he's done, especially in a hyper-competitive SEC and the NIL/Transfer portal madness era. Eventually, perhaps now, perhaps in a few years, Nebraska and Auburn will start winning big again and all those voices will be singing from the same hymnal.

The difference between Nebraska and most schools is that they're starting out with a HUGE, loyal fan base, tons of $$$ to spend on NIL/facilities/etc, and an enviable history of success. It's more surprising to see them struggle for a decade than it is to see them thrive. And once they get that guy, whether it's Rhule or the next guy or the one after that, their ceiling is another Title or 3.

(11-27-2022 12:40 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 12:11 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 11:22 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 01:56 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 08:56 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Congrats to Matt Thule the newest coach to get paid a ton of money to fail at Nebraska. No one can win there anymore. It's a coaching graveyard.

I love how people assume that Nebraska, with all their resources and fan enthusiasm, can't win anymore. Put Urban Meyer there instead of tOSU 10 years ago and Nebraska wins a title and tOSU is called a "place nobody wants to go b/c it's cold in Ohio". Nebraska might do well with Rhule, they might not, but they'll always be in the mix b/c of their resources, boosters, and enthusiastic fan engagement.

I think it's pretty fair to question if the specific set-up that allowed Nebraska to at one point achieve their elite status hasn't changed to the point that a potential elite level status is no longer possible in Lincoln.

Of course it has, but well-run athletic departments are able to adapt and use the momentum that previous success gave them. Nebraska's athletic department, and arguably university, has been poorly led for the last 20 years, and like others have said in this thread, the athletic department has factions that aren't just not on the same page, they aren't even reading the same book. I hope Rhule is successful, but it's such a hostile environment with a lot of outside meddling. It's become the Auburn of the midwest.

It is kind of interesting that Frost's dirty laundry getting aired has led to a bit of a backlash against the Osborne and Solich-era guys making it about themselves, and even some fans getting upset at Osborne himself.

Idk, man. The reality is that forces within the CFB landscape had changed to such a degree by the time Osborne left that what Solich was able to achieve was the new ceiling in Lincoln. But fans and admin didn't want to believe that an Osborne-level ceiling was no longer attainable. The reality is that a Pelini-level ceiling in Lincoln is likely the Cornhuskers' lot in life. And there's nothing wrong with that. That'd make them a very successful program: consistent 8-9 win regular seasons, 10-win seasons with the bowl win, 10-11 win regular seasons every handful of years, winning the B1G West about every 3-4 years.

You mean 3 top 10 finishes, including 12-1 with a #3? That's a coin flip to make the Title Game these days...pretty nice ceiling.

(11-27-2022 01:25 PM)Poster Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  people made that claim when Neb joined the B-10,
there getting out of their element, they will not compete in B-10
and I was one of them and I took alot of heat

Well, Nebraska's real glory years were in the Big 8, which was before the Texas schools joined the conference. And the main reason why people claimed that Nebraska's Big 10 move would be costly is because of a loss of Texas recruiting.

I'm not sure if Nebraska will ever be back, but I don't think the Big 10 move has much to do with it.

Remember that Nebraska was at a financial disadvantage for years in the B1G. I don't remember who said this, perhaps it was Dodds or Bowlsby, but he mentioned that last year that it had taken Nebraska an entire decade to get back to just even with what they would have made over that entire decade if they'd remained in the big 12.

Now that the Nebraska Financial Battle Station is fully operational, I sense that they're going to be back sooner rather than later.

Nebraska recurited nationally when they joined B-10
Eastern kids went to B-10, Cali kids went to SEC, Texas kids went to B-12

Nebraska played 10 cupcakes, finished season with Okla & got boat raced in bowl game in B-8
Nebraska struggled in B-12 and has no shot in B-10
I said this before move to B-10

Love to see Rhule turn program around, I think he made big mistake
I tought Frost could prove me wrong, not with no players

(11-27-2022 05:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Nebraska recurited nationally when they joined B-10
Eastern kids went to B-10, Cali kids went to SEC, Texas kids went to B-12

Nebraska played 10 cupcakes, finished season with Okla & got boat raced in bowl game in B-8
Nebraska struggled in B-12 and has no shot in B-10
I said this before move to B-10

Love to see Rhule turn program around, I think he made big mistake
I tought Frost could prove me wrong, not with no players

Frost did well at UCF when he could out-talent everyone on the field, but once he went to Nebraska he was exposed. Not unlike what I've said about Deion, he won't be able to out-talent people at an SEC program like he can at Jackson St. Rhule won't need to out-talent people to win a lot of games, and he won't lose a bunch that he should have won, either.

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Frost did well at UCF when he could out-talent everyone on the field, but once he went to Nebraska he was exposed. Not unlike what I've said about Deion, he won't be able to out-talent people at an SEC program like he can at Jackson St. Rhule won't need to out-talent people to win a lot of games, and he won't lose a bunch that he should have won, either.

Frost's problem is he went home to an athletic department staffed with a bunch of his friends and got stuck between being a P5 head coach and reenacting Old School with his fellow 90s-era Huskers. I could see him being successful elsewhere without all of the distractions Lincoln had for him.

(11-27-2022 04:26 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Remember that Nebraska was at a financial disadvantage for years in the B1G. I don't remember who said this, perhaps it was Dodds or Bowlsby, but he mentioned that last year that it had taken Nebraska an entire decade to get back to just even with what they would have made over that entire decade if they'd remained in the big 12.

Dodds? Nebraska would probably still be in the Big 12 if it wasn't for him and his sock puppet Beebe screwing with the conference like they did. That's rich coming from him, if it did.

(11-27-2022 05:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Love to see Rhule turn program around, I think he made big mistake
I tought Frost could prove me wrong, not with no players

Frost brought in players just fine, he just couldn't get them to stay. Lots of talent would transfer out at the end of the year, and for whatever reason, he wasn't able to patch those holes in the roster until after his assistants all got canned. I think with NIL and the portal, the tools are in place for Nebraska to be a respectable program, if not an elite one. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to compete for the West most years, especially when it has years as bad as this one.

https://apnews.com/article/carolina-pant...748338d0b7

Rhule signed an eight-year, $74 million contract that makes him the third-highest-paid coach in the Big Ten behind Ohio State's Ryan Day and Michigan State's Mel Tucker and among the top 10 nationally.
Athletic director Trev Alberts said the contract is 90% guaranteed and that some of the compensation is deferred. Rhule will have a pool of $7 million to spend on assistant coaches.
When the Panthers fired Rhule, he was still owed $34 million on his seven-year contract. Alberts said the Panthers were involved in Rhule's negotiations with Nebraska.
"Structuring a business arrangement that everybody was willing to sign off on was a bit of a challenge," Alberts said, "and there were some fits and starts to it."
Alberts said there was a period when it looked like the deal would fall through, but the sides reached an agreement on Thanksgiving morning.
Asked if he thought he would need to spend $9 million per year on a football coach, Alberts said the salary scale is rising in the Big Ten and SEC because of dramatically increasing revenues tied to record-setting television rights deals.
"Let's be honest, there's a Power 2 now," Alberts said. "Certainly not to denigrate any of the other conferences, but that's kind of where we're heading. ... If we're going to be serious about having Nebraska football competing at the upper level of the Big Ten Conference, there's going to be resources needed to acquire that talent."

(11-29-2022 11:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://apnews.com/article/carolina-pant...748338d0b7

Rhule signed an eight-year, $74 million contract that makes him the third-highest-paid coach in the Big Ten behind Ohio State's Ryan Day and Michigan State's Mel Tucker and among the top 10 nationally.
Athletic director Trev Alberts said the contract is 90% guaranteed and that some of the compensation is deferred. Rhule will have a pool of $7 million to spend on assistant coaches.
When the Panthers fired Rhule, he was still owed $34 million on his seven-year contract. Alberts said the Panthers were involved in Rhule's negotiations with Nebraska.
"Structuring a business arrangement that everybody was willing to sign off on was a bit of a challenge," Alberts said, "and there were some fits and starts to it."
Alberts said there was a period when it looked like the deal would fall through, but the sides reached an agreement on Thanksgiving morning.
Asked if he thought he would need to spend $9 million per year on a football coach, Alberts said the salary scale is rising in the Big Ten and SEC because of dramatically increasing revenues tied to record-setting television rights deals.
"Let's be honest, there's a Power 2 now," Alberts said. "Certainly not to denigrate any of the other conferences, but that's kind of where we're heading. ... If we're going to be serious about having Nebraska football competing at the upper level of the Big Ten Conference, there's going to be resources needed to acquire that talent."

Confirms what I thought about him getting paid some nice money.

(11-28-2022 04:28 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 06:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Frost did well at UCF when he could out-talent everyone on the field, but once he went to Nebraska he was exposed. Not unlike what I've said about Deion, he won't be able to out-talent people at an SEC program like he can at Jackson St. Rhule won't need to out-talent people to win a lot of games, and he won't lose a bunch that he should have won, either.

Frost's problem is he went home to an athletic department staffed with a bunch of his friends and got stuck between being a P5 head coach and reenacting Old School with his fellow 90s-era Huskers. I could see him being successful elsewhere without all of the distractions Lincoln had for him.

(11-27-2022 04:26 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Remember that Nebraska was at a financial disadvantage for years in the B1G. I don't remember who said this, perhaps it was Dodds or Bowlsby, but he mentioned that last year that it had taken Nebraska an entire decade to get back to just even with what they would have made over that entire decade if they'd remained in the big 12.

Dodds? Nebraska would probably still be in the Big 12 if it wasn't for him and his sock puppet Beebe screwing with the conference like they did. That's rich coming from him, if it did.

(11-27-2022 05:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Love to see Rhule turn program around, I think he made big mistake
I tought Frost could prove me wrong, not with no players

Frost brought in players just fine, he just couldn't get them to stay. Lots of talent would transfer out at the end of the year, and for whatever reason, he wasn't able to patch those holes in the roster until after his assistants all got canned. I think with NIL and the portal, the tools are in place for Nebraska to be a respectable program, if not an elite one. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to compete for the West most years, especially when it has years as bad as this one.

Nebraska is a top 20 program and has the resources to compete with anybody. People can criticize them all they want, but if Osborne was there today he'd figure out a way to just like he did 4 decades ago. Nebraska is also not in a position to demand 10 wins a season on day 1, so it's a great opportunity for a program builder like Rhule to come in and immediately put a positive stamp on things. I think he's a really good hire for them, on par with Fickell and Wisconsin and clearly better than any other hire this cycle.