(11-22-2022 09:03 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: This thread, to my mind, shows off the very best for this forum. These posts, even from those with which I strongly disagree, make sound, well-presented and well-supported arguments.
Ultimately, my own view aligns with eric: Trump cannot win in 2024. We can (and of course will) argue why that is so on the coming months. I obviously have an uncharitable take on how we got to this point. But I also don’t deny how truly unfair this has been to a former president who essentially performed a miracle for the country.
Nevertheless, and however we got here, that is the reality. (I only unrealistically wish that Donald Trump were mature enough to recognize this for himself.)
You are most likely correct but we can't just blame Trump for that because a lot of it goes to people that if you looked at each problem separate would say. That's not the case or its a lie or even a frame up.
But logical people that even believe most or all is just that are still buying into what the media and democrats painted a picture of.
Fact: Trump says stupid shite off the cuff. Fact: Trump can be petty as hell. Fact Trump sometimes acts like a person who was spoiled their whole life. Those are all true.
But I believe its also a fact that hardly anything important in running this country that the media and democrats painted Trump to be this monster and those normal logical people bought hook, line, sinker....is actually true or can be proven by Trumps words or action.
They been suckered because they can't get over the personality flaws
If you asked someone why Trump is a racist they will tell you something they heard or read from someone else. They can never point to something Trump actually said or did.
If you ask someone if Trump is this far right nutcase that wants to dictate to the world. Once again they will fail to show you one act by Trump that comes close to proven their case
If you ask someone if Trump is a crook who got fifthly rich off being President they will tell you yes. Or again point to something they read or heard. They will never do it with facts
Honestly other than saying off the cuff stupid things and acting childish with the name calling the man did a very good job for this country and most of its people. Not just men. Not just white people. Not just rich people.
But from the very start the media was allowed to paint a picture based off of lies or taking the meaning of words so far out of context...they were lies. The helped to frame a President, elected by voters with Russia Russia Russia.
So personally I dont see Desantis or anyone else coming close to still be standing with attack after attack after attack.
The funny thing is a lot of republican didn't give the President anywhere close to the support needed to fight off those 100% lies of Russia Russia Russia. Even knowing or at some point knowing it was 100% fact and an attempt to overthrow an Presidential election....
as they cared about minor personality flaws that were there before he won the election. You know, things that in the larger scheme of life or job of a president just wasn't really that important.
That is why I agree with the bold. But those same politicians who sit back and allowed the democrats and media do this they also sit back and allowed those same people change the voting rules to where its going to be next to impossible for one of those republicans to win a national election. A lot of that was because Republicans feared President Trump as much ax the democrats do.
