I don't think Trump can get 270 EV in 2024 unless we have the equivalent of 1929 between now and then. I also don't think any other republican can win if Trump mounts a third party campaign. So what is republican leadership doing about it? As usual, nothing.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

If the American people cannot see what is blatantly obvious - - a cartoonish clown of a former president and a weak socialist puppet for a current president - - then we may end up having to live with one or the other.

I don’t think it will come to that. I think Fo Shizzle has it right. There is simply no 2024 path that Donald Trump is capable of maintaining for an entire election cycle. In fact, he won’t make it more than 5 steps along that path before becoming distracted by the next glitzy celebrity who blows smoke up his ass. His campaign is doomed, due to his lack of discipline and his utter stupidity.

It may not ultimately be Ron DeSantis. But someone other than Trump will become the Republican nominee in 2024. When that happens, Donald Trump will naturally have his very public meltdown. And for a few months the media will lap it up. But in the end, only a small handful of delusional fanboys and fangirls will stick with him. And the blowhard Trump is way too cheap to himself finance what he knows will be a losing campaign. He’ll of course claim that he was cheated, but he will not be the Republican nominee and he will not run a third-party campaign.

The choice will then end up being a sane Republican versus some owned and compromised Democrat. Buttigieg is my guess. Not all, but most Trumpers will suck it up and vote for the Republican. But if I am wrong in this, and the American people cannot see their way through that easy choice, then we will fully deserve what we get.

(11-30-2022 07:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don't think Trump can get 270 EV in 2024 unless we have the equivalent of 1929 between now and then. I also don't think any other republican can win if Trump mounts a third party campaign. So what is republican leadership doing about it? As usual, nothing.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

If the leadership of the GOP does not somehow get Trump to gracefully remove himself or fully back a challenger to defeat him? The Democrats will again win the WH. Mark it down. Trump is unelectable...Period.

(11-30-2022 09:16 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  If the American people cannot see what is blatantly obvious - - a cartoonish clown of a former president and a weak socialist puppet for a current president - - then we may end up having to live with one or the other.

I don’t think it will come to that. I think Fo Shizzle has it right. There is simply no 2024 path that Donald Trump is capable of maintaining for an entire election cycle. In fact, he won’t make it more than 5 steps along that path before becoming distracted by the next glitzy celebrity who blows smoke up his ass. His campaign is doomed, due to his lack of discipline and his utter stupidity.

It may not ultimately be Ron DeSantis. But someone other than Trump will become the Republican nominee in 2024. When that happens, Donald Trump will naturally have his very public meltdown. And for a few months the media will lap it up. But in the end, only a small handful of delusional fanboys and fangirls will stick with him. And the blowhard Trump is way too cheap to himself finance what he knows will be a losing campaign. He’ll of course claim that he was cheated, but he will not be the Republican nominee and he will not run a third-party campaign.

The choice will then end up being a sane Republican versus some owned and compromised Democrat. Buttigieg is my guess. Not all, but most Trumpers will suck it up and vote for the Republican. But if I am wrong in this, and the American people cannot see their way through that easy choice, then we will fully deserve what we get.

notice I've mostly stayed away from all this semantical/diatribe/silly arse bs ... however, you deserve the following from nuts zongo...

#groverII is dead ... long live wtfe becomes via the subsequent king of :clowns:!

@nov3'20nov8,'22 #mail-it-inns-won ... everything else is now irrelevant...

the states that continue to fk themselves deserve all the continual bs coming down ye ol' crusty road...

side bet ... I'll bet ya Younkin won't win his reelection bid in '24 ... you call the wager ... that's your current state of residence, Ja?! I wish ya guys nothing but the best ... however, name your poison ... I'm all ears, chief!

(11-30-2022 09:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:16 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  If the American people cannot see what is blatantly obvious - - a cartoonish clown of a former president and a weak socialist puppet for a current president - - then we may end up having to live with one or the other.

I don’t think it will come to that. I think Fo Shizzle has it right. There is simply no 2024 path that Donald Trump is capable of maintaining for an entire election cycle. In fact, he won’t make it more than 5 steps along that path before becoming distracted by the next glitzy celebrity who blows smoke up his ass. His campaign is doomed, due to his lack of discipline and his utter stupidity.

It may not ultimately be Ron DeSantis. But someone other than Trump will become the Republican nominee in 2024. When that happens, Donald Trump will naturally have his very public meltdown. And for a few months the media will lap it up. But in the end, only a small handful of delusional fanboys and fangirls will stick with him. And the blowhard Trump is way too cheap to himself finance what he knows will be a losing campaign. He’ll of course claim that he was cheated, but he will not be the Republican nominee and he will not run a third-party campaign.

The choice will then end up being a sane Republican versus some owned and compromised Democrat. Buttigieg is my guess. Not all, but most Trumpers will suck it up and vote for the Republican. But if I am wrong in this, and the American people cannot see their way through that easy choice, then we will fully deserve what we get.

notice I've mostly stayed away from all this semantical/diatribe/silly arse bs ... however, you deserve the following from nuts zongo...

#groverII is dead ... long live wtfe becomes via the subsequent king of :clowns:!

@nov3'20nov8,'22 #mail-it-inns-won ... everything else is now irrelevant...

the states that continue to fk themselves deserve all the continual bs coming down ye ol' crusty road...

side bet ... I'll bet ya Younkin won't win his reelection bid in '24 ... you call the wager ... that's your current state of residence, Ja?! I wish ya guys nothing but the best ... however, name your poison ... I'm all ears, chief!

Three points in response to the bolded references above:

1. You're right, you have in fact stayed clear of the rhetorical theatrics. It's surprising, and a bit concerning. When my online behavior falls below the stinkfist standard, I probably ought to re-examine things.

2. groverII is most certainly NOT dead. It is wounded and angry. In other words, exactly how the Democrats want things to remain between now and November, 2024.

3. I agree, Youngkin will not be reelected in 2024, for at least two reasons: First, the next Virginia gubenatorial election isn't until 2025. Second, Virginia does not allow consecutive terms for governor. My bet is on Winsome Sears. She is the real deal.

(11-30-2022 09:16 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  If the American people cannot see what is blatantly obvious - - a cartoonish clown of a former president and a weak socialist puppet for a current president - - then we may end up having to live with one or the other.

I don’t think it will come to that. I think Fo Shizzle has it right. There is simply no 2024 path that Donald Trump is capable of maintaining for an entire election cycle. In fact, he won’t make it more than 5 steps along that path before becoming distracted by the next glitzy celebrity who blows smoke up his ass. His campaign is doomed, due to his lack of discipline and his utter stupidity.

It may not ultimately be Ron DeSantis. But someone other than Trump will become the Republican nominee in 2024. When that happens, Donald Trump will naturally have his very public meltdown. And for a few months the media will lap it up. But in the end, only a small handful of delusional fanboys and fangirls will stick with him. And the blowhard Trump is way too cheap to himself finance what he knows will be a losing campaign. He’ll of course claim that he was cheated, but he will not be the Republican nominee and he will not run a third-party campaign.

The choice will then end up being a sane Republican versus some owned and compromised Democrat. Buttigieg is my guess. Not all, but most Trumpers will suck it up and vote for the Republican. But if I am wrong in this, and the American people cannot see their way through that easy choice, then we will fully deserve what we get.

The sniveling among the anti-Trump RINO republicans is so over the top.

Trump is not going to run on a third party ticket. Frankly, it doesnt matter if Trump runs on a third party or not. Instead what will happen is his supporters, many of which want nothing to do with the RINO wing of the party---will just stay home. Worse yet, many of his blue collar Democrat crossover voters will return to voting Democrat. Yeah---I'm fine with a non-Trump candidate that espouses MAGA policies----but we all know thats NOT what we are going to get if Trump is not the candidate. We are going to get the same type of centrist McCarthy/McCain/McConnel/Romney RINO leadership we always get. And thats a losing path we have already been down. But by all means----lets get blown out again like we did with Romney. The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

I agree. I find it stunning that many supporters still don't understand who is to blame for DJT not being in office now. They have a litany of excuses pointing most everywhere but directly to the man himself. He had a great opportunity to really change Washington. He failed most because of his foolish behavior. He hired very smart.."The smartest"..people to help him and he could not figure out how to let them do their jobs. It must have been frustrating to watch from the inside.

(12-01-2022 01:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-30-2022 09:16 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  If the American people cannot see what is blatantly obvious - - a cartoonish clown of a former president and a weak socialist puppet for a current president - - then we may end up having to live with one or the other.

I don’t think it will come to that. I think Fo Shizzle has it right. There is simply no 2024 path that Donald Trump is capable of maintaining for an entire election cycle. In fact, he won’t make it more than 5 steps along that path before becoming distracted by the next glitzy celebrity who blows smoke up his ass. His campaign is doomed, due to his lack of discipline and his utter stupidity.

It may not ultimately be Ron DeSantis. But someone other than Trump will become the Republican nominee in 2024. When that happens, Donald Trump will naturally have his very public meltdown. And for a few months the media will lap it up. But in the end, only a small handful of delusional fanboys and fangirls will stick with him. And the blowhard Trump is way too cheap to himself finance what he knows will be a losing campaign. He’ll of course claim that he was cheated, but he will not be the Republican nominee and he will not run a third-party campaign.

The choice will then end up being a sane Republican versus some owned and compromised Democrat. Buttigieg is my guess. Not all, but most Trumpers will suck it up and vote for the Republican. But if I am wrong in this, and the American people cannot see their way through that easy choice, then we will fully deserve what we get.

notice I've mostly stayed away from all this semantical/diatribe/silly arse bs ... however, you deserve the following from nuts zongo...

#groverII is dead ... long live wtfe becomes via the subsequent king of :clowns:!

@nov3'20nov8,'22 #mail-it-inns-won ... everything else is now irrelevant...

the states that continue to fk themselves deserve all the continual bs coming down ye ol' crusty road...

side bet ... I'll bet ya Younkin won't win his reelection bid in '24 ... you call the wager ... that's your current state of residence, Ja?! I wish ya guys nothing but the best ... however, name your poison ... I'm all ears, chief!

Three points in response to the bolded references above:

1. You're right, you have in fact stayed clear of the rhetorical theatrics. It's surprising, and a bit concerning. When my online behavior falls below the stinkfist standard, I probably ought to re-examine things.

2. groverII is most certainly NOT dead. It is wounded and angry. In other words, exactly how the Democrats want things to remain between now and November, 2024.

3. I agree, Youngkin will not be reelected in 2024, for at least two reasons: First, the next Virginia gubenatorial election isn't until 2025. Second, Virginia does not allow consecutive terms for governor. My bet is on Winsome Sears. She is the real deal.

1.

2. I'm in the camp it doesn't matter based on the current mail-it-inn states ... however, he's dead to the borderline folk ... also, as I stated after the Nov. 3, 2020 debacle, DeSantis was going to emerge as the frontrunner moving forward if not #groverII ... based on the former posit, I don't believe he can win, either ... of course, quite a bit of shite can happen over the next two years...

3. did not know that ... thanks for the intel ... I learned something about VA, today ... I like limiting to two terms better if ya get a good one in rd. 1, but limiting to one offers its own advantages as well (least possibility of long-term corruption comes to mind) ... again, I'm impressed what Youngkin has accomplished to date for y'all!

now knowing about #3, it wouldn't surprise me if an RNC backed Youngkin makes a serious run for the pub nom .... that's easily plausible ... he'll still lose, but it's plausible...

addendum: found this interesting ... https://wamu.org/story/17/09/28/single-v...on-change/

Quote:Petersen argues that in Virginia, the institutional knowledge of the government resides within the legislature, and that the one-term limit serves as an important check on executive power:

“We have governors that come in for four years. They have a large amount control: they can appoint members of boards of commissions; they have a line-item veto, they can refuse or decide to spend money; they can name their own executives agencies. They have a tremendous amount of control as an executive, and the way we temper that is that we limit them to one term.”

Petersen also fears that if governors are allowed a second consecutive term, the next possible change would be a full-time legislature, not the part-time citizen legislature Virginia currently has.

But even with all the power governors do have, fellow State Senator Adam Ebbin (D-Alexandria) still thinks that they should be able to run for re-election, no matter how long the ban has been in place. He says Virginia’s future shouldn’t be governed by its past.

“You know, we’re not in the same times as when the governorship was established under British monarchy,” he says.

Ebbin argues that the term limit leads to inefficient government. Since Virginia runs on two-year budgets, it means any governor who’s elected has to wait a while before he gets to decide what to spend money on. And since filling government posts can be slow, Ebbin says governors can face delays in implementing their priorities.

But, most importantly, Ebbin says the best tool to keep a governor accountable is the prospect of facing the voters a second time.

that pretty much sums up the 'why' one term...

(12-01-2022 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

I agree. I find it stunning that many supporters still don't understand who is to blame for DJT not being in office now. They have a litany of excuses pointing most everywhere but directly to the man himself. He had a great opportunity to really change Washington. He failed most because of his foolish behavior. He hired very smart.."The smartest"..people to help him and he could not figure out how to let them do their jobs. It must have been frustrating to watch from the inside.

he received 10 million more votes than in '16 (which was supposedly unwinnable)...

now, you silly fellers explain the largest 'turnout' in a lockdown era .... why yaz continue to ignore the power of muh mail-it-inn states is befuddling for a couple o' smart fellers...

(12-01-2022 09:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

I agree. I find it stunning that many supporters still don't understand who is to blame for DJT not being in office now. They have a litany of excuses pointing most everywhere but directly to the man himself. He had a great opportunity to really change Washington. He failed most because of his foolish behavior. He hired very smart.."The smartest"..people to help him and he could not figure out how to let them do their jobs. It must have been frustrating to watch from the inside.

he received 10 million more votes than in '16 (which was supposedly unwinnable)...

now, you silly fellers explain the largest 'turnout' in a lockdown era .... why yaz continue to ignore the power of muh mail-it-inn states is befuddling for a couple o' smart fellers...

....and there you go proving my point. Completely ignoring the idea that Trump caused a massive turnout from the other side with is nonsense. You know damn well he would have won in a landslide without it.

(12-02-2022 07:56 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 09:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

I agree. I find it stunning that many supporters still don't understand who is to blame for DJT not being in office now. They have a litany of excuses pointing most everywhere but directly to the man himself. He had a great opportunity to really change Washington. He failed most because of his foolish behavior. He hired very smart.."The smartest"..people to help him and he could not figure out how to let them do their jobs. It must have been frustrating to watch from the inside.

he received 10 million more votes than in '16 (which was supposedly unwinnable)...

now, you silly fellers explain the largest 'turnout' in a lockdown era .... why yaz continue to ignore the power of muh mail-it-inn states is befuddling for a couple o' smart fellers...

....and there you go proving my point. Completely ignoring the idea that Trump caused a massive turnout from the other side with is nonsense. You know damn well he would have won in a landslide without it.

we simply disagree to the 'why' and the 'how' ... the result of the mids prove my position much better than yours, bubby ... warned ya to be wary of that, too ...

whatever, brah ... keep believing that status quo super-duper pub candidate has a chance in '24 in muh mail-it-inns ... >270 EVs are locked up now...

(12-02-2022 09:23 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  >270 EVs are locked up now...

stink, I don't think you are right about this. I instead think that Republicans just need to get better at policing the manner in which ballots are issued, collected and submitted - - something frankly Donald Trump should have done in 2020 instead of preening at meaningless rallies in front of his admirers.

But if I am wrong on this, and the fraud truly is baked in for 2024 and future, then what point is served by insisting that people support Donald Trump? For some of us, that is a distasteful thing to have to do. I'd happily not to do it again of the game is already decided.

(12-02-2022 09:30 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 09:23 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  >270 EVs are locked up now...

stink, I don't think you are right about this. I instead think that Republicans just need to get better at policing the manner in which ballots are issued, collected and submitted - - something frankly Donald Trump should have done in 2020 instead of preening at meaningless rallies in front of his admirers.

But if I am wrong on this, and the fraud truly is baked in for 2024 and future, then what point is served by insisting that people support Donald Trump? For some of us, that is a distasteful thing to have to do. I'd happily not to do it again of the game is already decided.

notice I haven't since the mids ... for me, that was the final litmus test after losing all the critical gubernatorial races in the mail-it-in states ... that was the death blow...

I also stated that #groverII is dead and any pub nom is in the same boat...

I really hope I'm wrong ... however, I see no out moving forward for any pub in the mail-it-inns ... all they needed were to flip only a few in '20 ... and after the mids, it proved my fears ... with this economy, it's inexplicable how it wasn't a slaughter with the exception of muh mail-it-inns...

we'll see how it plays out, but I ain' buyin' any of a chance moving forward ... like I said, I hope I'm wrong...

I'm simply going to do my best to plan accordingly moving forward...

(12-01-2022 08:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 03:23 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-01-2022 02:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is---like him or not---things were pretty good under Trump. Thats the bottom line. Not sure why we'd run away from those polices----but if Trump is not the candidate----I GUARANTEE we will run away from that philosophy.

Neither I nor anyone else with the bad manners to point out Donald Trump's countless shortcomings are responsible for what happened in 2020 - - so long as we voted for him (which I did).

The person you should be angry with is the moron who singlehandedly threw away what should have been an lock reelection: Donald Trump. But you won't. It is much easier raging at people who did nothing but vocally call out a disaster that we saw happening in real time.

I agree. I find it stunning that many supporters still don't understand who is to blame for DJT not being in office now. They have a litany of excuses pointing most everywhere but directly to the man himself. He had a great opportunity to really change Washington. He failed most because of his foolish behavior. He hired very smart.."The smartest"..people to help him and he could not figure out how to let them do their jobs. It must have been frustrating to watch from the inside.

Then you were not watching. No doubt Trump was his own worst enemy at times. Everyone knows that. That said---one of Trumps biggest problems was the "very smart" people he hired too often would tell him not do the exact things he campaigned on or that people elected him to do. Sorry--but that isnt their job. Thats not "picking a fight with the military". Thats governing. In some cases---the people he hired convinced Trump that there was a better way to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. Nothing wrong with that.

In some cases---they simply fought against what he wanted to do and rightly got themselves fired (at one point they were caught literally lying about how many men were still in Syria). If a general wants to actually set policy---then run for president. Trump gave them the resources and engagement orders to quickly take out ISIS. That worked. He wanted to get out of Syria and had trouble getting his generals to actually do it. The same was largely true in Afghanistan---but there the generals convinced Trump that leaving would be worse than staying and together they crafted a strategy that set up the road for an exit but created an environment where the US could maintain a long term presence until the exit strategy paid off that largely eliminated any US casualties. Afghanistan was a good example of how it should work---where the president and the hired help work together to accomplish the goal the president was elected on in the best way possible. Syria is not how its supposed to work---where the hired help literally stops the president (as in the civilian government) from implementing its desired policies.

As Ive said before---in a perfect world I'd like Trump policies in a more polished politician. Pretty sure thats not what we are going to get. Its going to be Trump policies from Trump or RINO policies from a more polished politician. Im not sure either one can win, but I think the former has a better chance than the latter.