Just looking at today's box:

PF / C combined for 12 points.

PG / SG/ SF combined for 51 points.

https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...46_Ue5tXmg

This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

(11-28-2022 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...46_Ue5tXmg

Great Tony and what was his shooting percentages?

(11-28-2022 10:50 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...46_Ue5tXmg

Great Tony and what was his shooting percentages?

Emoni probably won't have the highest FG percentage because he takes so many difficult shots.

Some players get high probability shots. Emoni has to work for his.

Still 42% and 42% behind the arc isn't ball for the season.

Only players like JT4 get a lot of easy cheapies.

EMU men's basketball main goal is to win games conference championships and return to the NCAAs not to promote Bates NBA prospects. The two goals should not be mutually exclusive but sometimes I wonder this year.

EMU has room for improvement and showed signs of improvement against UCSD. As even though UCSD beat EMU, they did hold UCSD to less than 70-points. They did so by fouling less which resulted in EMU taking 23-foul shots to UCSD's 16-foul shots. That's the first time EMU has taken more foul shots than any of it's opponents.

UCSD scoring only 10-points at the foul-line, combined with UCSD missing a lot of three's resulted in UCSD's low scoring.

EMU can keep opponents to scoring even less points by committing even less fouls and trying to stop the three ball. I believe a player should almost never foul as putting opponents to the foul line results in a much higher percentage than they do shooting fga's.

Heath has to commit to having his team defend the rim and the three-point line. Goal should be to hold opponents to scoring in a game 5 three's for 15 points, and not letting opponents score 9 three's for 27 points.

Heath should invite opponents to take as many 2-point jump shots away from the rim as they want, and tell players not to foul the shooter.

EMU also needs to continue to look for steals and win the turnover battle.

Agree Noah should handle the ball.

Offensively, EMU is fine if it's players shoot far more three's
(having an inside-out game would accomplish that), drive to the rim more, and take far fewer two-point jumpers, and seek out offensive rebounds. Rather see a team lose shooting three's than by shooting and mussing two-point jumpers.

Individual players can improve various aspects of their game. In the last two games, Noah has reduced his number of turnovers, but he needs to do the same by not fouling. Getter and Lovejoy have to stop fouling. Bates has to commit fewer turnovers and fouls. Team has some self control by not fouling much in the first half, but they go brain-dead in the second half.

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

(11-28-2022 11:13 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 10:50 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:46 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://twitter.com/TonyPaul1984/status/...46_Ue5tXmg

Great Tony and what was his shooting percentages?

Emoni probably won't have the highest FG percentage because he takes so many difficult shots.

Some players get high probability shots. Emoni has to work for his.

Still 42% and 42% behind the arc isn't ball for the season.

Only players like JT4 get a lot of easy cheapies.

That's not true. Getting higher percentage shots is the goal. Emoni and Noah are not working for them, they both consistently settle for turn around fade aways. They have the skills to get to the hoop and shoot high percentage shots. They have the skills to work the ball around, set screens and get open looks. Their play this season is very reminiscent to the Ray Lee era.

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Totally agree. Rebounding needs to be a total team effort. Defense needs to be a total team effort. Neither are happening. This team needs a huge dose of the basketball fundamentals, something all the talent in the world will never overcome lacking.

(11-28-2022 11:41 AM)emu79 Wrote:  EMU men's basketball main goal is to win games conference championships and return to the NCAAs not to promote Bates NBA prospects. The two goals should not be mutually exclusive but sometimes I wonder this year.

Right now, they are doing neither. Emoni in my view has been an abject bust as an NBA prospect.

He really likes playing in the backcourt but does not seem capable of defensively staying in front of the quicker guards he encounters there. He also does not leverage his 6'10" size advantage in the paint over the smaller guards defending him. He seems very comfortable hanging on the 3-point line. Blocking shots and rebounding are not activities he seems interested in pursuing.

Heath is quite familiar with what Emoni needs to develop for the NBA, where there are far better 3-ball shooters than Bates. I'm surprised at what I have seen thus far.

I'm going to let our friend speak for me:

https://twitter.com/thevannzee/status/15...s8EjtydTDw

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

(11-28-2022 12:52 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 11:41 AM)emu79 Wrote:  EMU men's basketball main goal is to win games conference championships and return to the NCAAs not to promote Bates NBA prospects. The two goals should not be mutually exclusive but sometimes I wonder this year.

Right now, they are doing neither. Emoni in my view has been an abject bust as an NBA prospect.

He really likes playing in the backcourt but does not seem capable of defensively staying in front of the quicker guards he encounters there. He also does not leverage his 6'10" size advantage in the paint over the smaller guards defending him. He seems very comfortable hanging on the 3-point line. Blocking shots and rebounding are not activities he seems interested in pursuing.

Heath is quite familiar with what Emoni needs to develop for the NBA, where there are far better 3-ball shooters than Bates. I'm surprised at what I have seen thus far.

Agree, but he did garner 13-rebounds (2 OR's) last game. Needs to tighten his handles, passing, and decision making. Agree he needs to play with energy.

EMU can play better bb by shooting more three's, stopping the three-ball, defending the rim, and fouling less. I see no EMU commitment to doing so and that's disheartening.

EMU, with each mounting loss, see players playing with less energy and not trusting passing the ball to open shooters. So how EMU will get out of the funk they're in?

Each player needs to dig deep. Standing still and watching the flight of the ball is no way to play bb. Constantly moving forcrebounds or getting back in transition is.

(11-28-2022 01:00 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

I'm wondering if the problem is that we still do NOT have the right players at all positions.

If Stan is playing a NBA game, then he needs players which have the same skill sets (NOT abilities, but collegiate skill sets) to play it.

The question is how does a team play without player(s) at the center position who can play MAC ball and above for 40 minutes?

Are will we need to simply outshoot our opponents?

Otherwise, what scheme changes need to be made?

(11-29-2022 10:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:00 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

I'm wondering if the problem is that we still do NOT have the right players at all positions.

If Stan is playing a NBA game, then he needs players which have the same skill sets (NOT abilities, but collegiate skill sets) to play it.

The question is how does a team play without player(s) at the center position who can play MAC ball and above for 40 minutes?

Are will we need to simply outshoot our opponents?

Otherwise, what scheme changes need to be made?

Starts with defensively placing Randle the tallest player who can block shots (10 per game in HS) at the rim, not straying from it and not fouling. Will sharply reduce opponents scoring inside, and will force more opponent three pointers that that EMU players must defend against.

(11-29-2022 02:56 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 10:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:00 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 05:56 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  This team has shown no growth game to game. Panic? Yes because of no growth. Heath has not made any adjustments. We will continue to lose if the ball is not placed in Noah’s hands especially at the end of games. I love Emoni and glad that he’s with EMU, but he committed 3 huge TOs, missed free throws etc which is to be expected when running the offense thru an 18 yo. Heath better wake up and get Noah at the Pg for game ending decision time or the losses will keep mounting to below average teams. Beating above average teams - I’m afraid very unlikely because we can’t guard the paint or score in the paint. Team needs a fire lit underneath them to start the game - ongoing them - no growth. No wins no fans.

Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

I'm wondering if the problem is that we still do NOT have the right players at all positions.

If Stan is playing a NBA game, then he needs players which have the same skill sets (NOT abilities, but collegiate skill sets) to play it.

The question is how does a team play without player(s) at the center position who can play MAC ball and above for 40 minutes?

Are will we need to simply outshoot our opponents?

Otherwise, what scheme changes need to be made?

Starts with defensively placing Randle the tallest player who can block shots (10 per game in HS) at the rim, not straying from it and not fouling. Will sharply reduce opponents scoring inside, and will force more opponent three pointers that that EMU players must defend against.

Makes sense. Purely a defensive rim protector. If he defends the rim, Emoni, Noal and Tyson will get the points.

(11-29-2022 03:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 02:56 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 10:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:00 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 12:31 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  Strategy can be improved for sure, but I see just a general lack of hustle. When we get beat off the dribble nobody drops off their man to help producing uncontested layups. We also don't crash the boards with effort. This team is definitely not long, we have to compensate with effort and speed, and it is not happening.

Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

I'm wondering if the problem is that we still do NOT have the right players at all positions.

If Stan is playing a NBA game, then he needs players which have the same skill sets (NOT abilities, but collegiate skill sets) to play it.

The question is how does a team play without player(s) at the center position who can play MAC ball and above for 40 minutes?

Are will we need to simply outshoot our opponents?

Otherwise, what scheme changes need to be made?

Starts with defensively placing Randle the tallest player who can block shots (10 per game in HS) at the rim, not straying from it and not fouling. Will sharply reduce opponents scoring inside, and will force more opponent three pointers that that EMU players must defend against.

Makes sense. Purely a defensive rim protector. If he defends the rim, Emoni, Noal and Tyson will get the points.

I like Super’s idea to put Emoni in the center position. For all the detractors of this idea, Emoni is currently leading the team in both rebounds (6.3/game) and blocked shots (0.5/game). Emoni seems best suited to be our needed tall athletic shot blocker at cehter. Randle still feels like he is developing, but should be able to spell Emoni for 7 min/game… so I am with Super on this

(11-29-2022 11:01 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 03:48 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 02:56 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(11-29-2022 10:31 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:00 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Hard to rely on help when opponent going to the hoop. Need to have a defender next to the hoop. Best way to stop drives and inside shooting.

EMU players need better self-control as they rank among the worse in committing the most fouls. On the other hand, EMU is among the top 125 teams in steals.

Agree about a need to crash the boards.

I'm wondering if the problem is that we still do NOT have the right players at all positions.

If Stan is playing a NBA game, then he needs players which have the same skill sets (NOT abilities, but collegiate skill sets) to play it.

The question is how does a team play without player(s) at the center position who can play MAC ball and above for 40 minutes?

Are will we need to simply outshoot our opponents?

Otherwise, what scheme changes need to be made?

Starts with defensively placing Randle the tallest player who can block shots (10 per game in HS) at the rim, not straying from it and not fouling. Will sharply reduce opponents scoring inside, and will force more opponent three pointers that that EMU players must defend against.

Makes sense. Purely a defensive rim protector. If he defends the rim, Emoni, Noal and Tyson will get the points.

I like Super’s idea to put Emoni in the center position. For all the detractors of this idea, Emoni is currently leading the team in both rebounds (6.3/game) and blocked shots (0.5/game). Emoni seems best suited to be our needed tall athletic shot blocker at cehter. Randle still feels like he is developing, but should be able to spell Emoni for 7 min/game… so I am with Super on this

Do you really think someone weighing 180 LBs can guard someone at 230-240 in the post? Did you watch the last game where Geeter got backed down. I suspect Emoni would foul out in 5 minutes if he played center.