KP Rankings as of 20 NOV 363 TEAMS

10 OF 13 WAC TEAMS IN TOP HALF! GOING TO BE AN ULTRA COMPETITIVE CONFERENCE RACE!

1. GCU - 96
2. SHSU - 119
3. ACU -124
4. Seattle -135
5. UVU -146
6. NMSU -151
7. SFA -156
8. SUU -159
9. CBU -160
10. Tarleton -162
11. Utah Tech - 255
12. UTA - 277
13. UTRGV -338

LAMAR -357
Chicago ST - 358
UIW -359

KenPom also has the WAC at a +0.31 and ranked as the 13th best conference. The WAC has not had a positive score on KenPom for a decade (2012 was the last year).

Here is how the WAC has done over the past decade with the highest and lowest rated teams).

2023: +0.31, 13th (GCU at 96; UTRGV at 338)
2022: -1.51, 15th (NMSU at 80; Lamar at 350)
2021: -7.14, 23rd (GCU at 103; CSU at 356)
2020: -6.64, 24th (NMSU at 91; CSU at 353)
2019: -1.11, 17th (NMSU at 53; CSU at 351)
2018: -3.13, 18th (NMSU at 60; CSU at 346)
2017: -2.89, 17th (NMSU at 84; CSU 335)
2016: -7.50, 24th (CSBU at 110; UTRGV 348)
2015: -10.26, 31st (NMST at 98; UTRGV 335)
2014: -6.24, 22nd (NMST at 72; UTRGV at 295)
2013: -0.31, 13th (Denver at 47; San Jose St. at 305)
2012: +0.64, 12th (NMST at 65; San Jose St. at 275)

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Has anyone seen Guardian of Aegora yet? Ken is supposed to be good in it.

(11-21-2022 02:16 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  KP Rankings as of 20 NOV 363 TEAMS

10 OF 13 WAC TEAMS IN TOP HALF! GOING TO BE AN ULTRA COMPETITIVE CONFERENCE RACE!

1. GCU - 96
2. SHSU - 119
3. ACU -124
4. Seattle -135
5. UVU -146
6. NMSU -151
7. SFA -156
8. SUU -159
9. CBU -160
10. Tarleton -162
11. Utah Tech - 255
12. UTA - 277
13. UTRGV -338

LAMAR -357
Chicago ST - 358
UIW -359

So Boston College is 114 and Belmont is 149. Cool.

(11-21-2022 10:24 AM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(11-21-2022 02:16 AM)Spolovilo4EVER Wrote:  KP Rankings as of 20 NOV 363 TEAMS

10 OF 13 WAC TEAMS IN TOP HALF! GOING TO BE AN ULTRA COMPETITIVE CONFERENCE RACE!

1. GCU - 96
2. SHSU - 119
3. ACU -124
4. Seattle -135
5. UVU -146
6. NMSU -151
7. SFA -156
8. SUU -159
9. CBU -160
10. Tarleton -162
11. Utah Tech - 255
12. UTA - 277
13. UTRGV -338

LAMAR -357
Chicago ST - 358
UIW -359

So Boston College is 114 and Belmont is 149. Cool.

How the hell does SHSU beat two P5s on the road and still not be ranked in the top 80 of all teams? It’s not like SHSU was coming off a terrible year.

The system is rigged, that’s why. Because UTRGV is in the schedule, and there’s no equivalent in P6, they all rise each other. In 2016/17, UTA finished 40th with road wins over Texas and a ranked St. Mary’s and a 8-3 DI non-conference record and 14-4 Sun Belt record. We lost in the conference semi-final to our rival. We got snubbed. Same resume in a P6 conference and it’s a top four seed.

They use all kinds of “metrics” to rig it. They claim those are used to better understand a team. And that’s fine and it makes some sense. However, it’s as if the powers that he can’t stand for a non P6 to even briefly be ranked high.

Here are 2 teams, one is 0-3 and the average KenPom of their 3 HOME losses is 208

The other team is 2-3, average KenPom of 3 ROAD losses is 120. Wins are vs #254 and 363.

Louisville is still 123 in KenPom and Chicago State is 358.

It feels as if something is predetermining them to fit where they are “supposed” to be. I get that it’s based on these”metrics” and is more than wins and losses, but at some point it feels like wins and better losses should rank higher than just bad losses—at least for a brief moment of time early in the season. Even in the process of letting things play out over the course of the season, it can still feel rigged. But that’s the world we live in.

Louisville has 3 home losses to bad teams (and NO wins at all) but ranks within a few spots of SH. Makes no sense.

(11-21-2022 09:28 PM)Todor Wrote:  They use all kinds of “metrics” to rig it. They claim those are used to better understand a team. And that’s fine and it makes some sense. However, it’s as if the powers that he can’t stand for a non P6 to even briefly be ranked high.

Here are 2 teams, one is 0-3 and the average KenPom of their 3 HOME losses is 208

The other team is 2-3, average KenPom of 3 ROAD losses is 120. Wins are vs #254 and 363.

Louisville is still 123 in KenPom and Chicago State is 358.

It feels as if something is predetermining them to fit where they are “supposed” to be. I get that it’s based on these”metrics” and is more than wins and losses, but at some point it feels like wins and better losses should rank higher than just bad losses—at least for a brief moment of time early in the season. Even in the process of letting things play out over the course of the season, it can still feel rigged. But that’s the world we live in.

Louisville has 3 home losses to bad teams (and NO wins at all) but ranks within a few spots of SH. Makes no sense.

There is a predetermined, where their supposed to be baked in based on the offseason projections. It starts falling out of the factoring in December as you get enough data to rank teams on wins and losses.

(11-23-2022 08:47 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(11-21-2022 09:28 PM)Todor Wrote:  They use all kinds of “metrics” to rig it. They claim those are used to better understand a team. And that’s fine and it makes some sense. However, it’s as if the powers that he can’t stand for a non P6 to even briefly be ranked high.

Here are 2 teams, one is 0-3 and the average KenPom of their 3 HOME losses is 208

The other team is 2-3, average KenPom of 3 ROAD losses is 120. Wins are vs #254 and 363.

Louisville is still 123 in KenPom and Chicago State is 358.

It feels as if something is predetermining them to fit where they are “supposed” to be. I get that it’s based on these”metrics” and is more than wins and losses, but at some point it feels like wins and better losses should rank higher than just bad losses—at least for a brief moment of time early in the season. Even in the process of letting things play out over the course of the season, it can still feel rigged. But that’s the world we live in.

Louisville has 3 home losses to bad teams (and NO wins at all) but ranks within a few spots of SH. Makes no sense.

There is a predetermined, where their supposed to be baked in based on the offseason projections. It starts falling out of the factoring in December as you get enough data to rank teams on wins and losses.

Don't forget the way the system works, a loss by a team ranked 200 to a top ten team counts more for them than a win versus number 198. For example, who has Louisville lost to. Yes, they will fall but not as much if their losses are to top 100 schools.

(11-23-2022 08:47 PM)TallTexan Wrote:  

(11-21-2022 09:28 PM)Todor Wrote:  They use all kinds of “metrics” to rig it. They claim those are used to better understand a team. And that’s fine and it makes some sense. However, it’s as if the powers that he can’t stand for a non P6 to even briefly be ranked high.

Here are 2 teams, one is 0-3 and the average KenPom of their 3 HOME losses is 208

The other team is 2-3, average KenPom of 3 ROAD losses is 120. Wins are vs #254 and 363.

Louisville is still 123 in KenPom and Chicago State is 358.

It feels as if something is predetermining them to fit where they are “supposed” to be. I get that it’s based on these”metrics” and is more than wins and losses, but at some point it feels like wins and better losses should rank higher than just bad losses—at least for a brief moment of time early in the season. Even in the process of letting things play out over the course of the season, it can still feel rigged. But that’s the world we live in.

Louisville has 3 home losses to bad teams (and NO wins at all) but ranks within a few spots of SH. Makes no sense.

There is a predetermined, where their supposed to be baked in based on the offseason projections. It starts falling out of the factoring in December as you get enough data to rank teams on wins and losses.

Your first sentence is spot on. The predetermined, where they are supposed to be means a 16-15 (8-10) Syracuse team will get a 7 seed. Meanwhile a SHSU team that beats 37 P6’s will be left out if they don’t win the WAC.

After Fridays games:

SH 82
GCU 104
Seattle 127
NMSU 133
UVU 142
Tarleton 152
Cal Bap 154
SUU 155
SFA 170
Abilene 178
Utah Tech 274
UTA 301
RGV 326

Wow, hard to argue it, but we aren't far from this year's Lamar...

(11-26-2022 01:03 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Wow, hard to argue it, but we aren't far from this year's Lamar...

It's hard to see us drop as well, but our poor performance has spoken. We are struggling for leadership as much as we are play right now...

SUU played a heck of a game against #6 Kansas, trailing by one point with 3:37 to play and eventually losing only by six, and Kansas was playing at home! The ThunderBirds might be even better than their ranking.

(11-27-2022 08:58 PM)RCI Wrote:  SUU played a heck of a game against #6 Kansas, trailing by one point with 3:37 to play and eventually losing only by six, and Kansas was playing at home! The ThunderBirds might be even better than their ranking.

Pump the brakes man. We beat them by 13 and we're not that good unfortunately.

I’m taking a wait and see approach on SUU. Sac State yesterday was actually their first D1 win.

(11-27-2022 09:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(11-27-2022 08:58 PM)RCI Wrote:  SUU played a heck of a game against #6 Kansas, trailing by one point with 3:37 to play and eventually losing only by six, and Kansas was playing at home! The ThunderBirds might be even better than their ranking.

Pump the brakes man. We beat them by 13 and we're not that good unfortunately.

I understand but Kansas in Kansas was very unexpected. Those Jayhawks seemed relieved to escape with a victory.