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RE: This is My Perception of Most Happy to Least Happy Fan Bases to be in New CUSA
(11-18-2022 01:10 PM)Dusky Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 12:53 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 12:46 PM)Dusky Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 12:35 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  I will also add that while I think this new iteration of CUSA can be successful (especially in Basketball), we as a conference are in desperate need of new leadership. Judy is by far the worst commissioner at the FBS level and needs to be replaced.

You're obviously a sexist.

Yea, we can't possibly question the conference leadership that was at the helm when 9 members defected or what led to that point.

Though I am assuming your post was a sarcastic one as well.

Hence the red font.

I’d hire Tom Jurich to be the conference commissioner and move the headquarters to Nashville. I think he could give the conference a strong five years of leadership, get us on an upward trajectory, and then retire and turn the reigns over to someone else.
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With the SBC being raided, then CUSA being raided, then the SBC taking some CUSA schools, then the CUSA backfilling with FCS move ups. Where is the MAC in any of this movement? Zero, Zilch, Nada. If the MAC was that desirous of a conference, wouldn't at least one team have been a target for realignment? If any CUSA members want to go to the MAC then good luck. If geographic convenience is strong enough of a factor, then enjoy short drives to games where many teams are overshadowed by bigger P5 schools with media appeal. It's called the rust belt for a reason.
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I think if you're WKU, the real problem with the MAC is that they've contractually obligated themselves to playing a lot of mid week games. The idea is that it's good for their brands, but that doesn't seem to be how it's played out. So their fans, players, and students suffer so random LSU or Arizona fans have something to watch and gamble on during the week, but it never really helps them.

That's the reason to avoid the MAC. The mid week games. They're bad.

Now, personally I'm glad WKU stuck around (and therefore glad that the MAC made this blunder).
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This is My Perception of Most Happy to Least Happy Fan Bases to be in New CUSA
(11-18-2022 06:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  I think if you're WKU, the real problem with the MAC is that they've contractually obligated themselves to playing a lot of mid week games. The idea is that it's good for their brands, but that doesn't seem to be how it's played out. So their fans, players, and students suffer so random LSU or Arizona fans have something to watch and gamble on during the week, but it never really helps them.

That's the reason to avoid the MAC. The mid week games. They're bad.

Now, personally I'm glad WKU stuck around (and therefore glad that the MAC made this blunder).


And what did CUSA do? Same damn thing except mid week games in October when weather is nice. At least with MAC, the weather sucks in Nov and no one there on Saturdays either at WKU. Our best atmosphere, tailgating, etc is October games. Now HC will be first Sat in Nov and could be like last Saturday, 32 degrees and no one there. Kills the atmosphere as well as makes it impossible for out of town fans to attend.


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(11-18-2022 07:05 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 06:57 PM)inutech Wrote:  I think if you're WKU, the real problem with the MAC is that they've contractually obligated themselves to playing a lot of mid week games. The idea is that it's good for their brands, but that doesn't seem to be how it's played out. So their fans, players, and students suffer so random LSU or Arizona fans have something to watch and gamble on during the week, but it never really helps them.

That's the reason to avoid the MAC. The mid week games. They're bad.

Now, personally I'm glad WKU stuck around (and therefore glad that the MAC made this blunder).


And what did CUSA do? Same damn thing except mid week games in October when weather is nice. At least with MAC, the weather sucks in Nov and no one there on Saturdays either at WKU. Our best atmosphere, tailgating, etc is October games. Now HC will be first Sat in Nov and could be like last Saturday, 32 degrees and no one there. Kills the atmosphere as well as makes it impossible for out of town fans to attend.


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If we add EKU to CUSA that'll solve attendence problems. It'll be the biggest attended game of the year.
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As others can plainly see MOST WKU fans on this thread DO NOT want the MAC.

So-- can some of the Liberty posters (and others) alter/drop that supposition/notion?

I totally agree with WKUYG and other WKU posters--- No Thank you to the MAC!
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(11-18-2022 10:39 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  As others can plainly see MOST WKU fans on this thread DO NOT want the MAC.

So-- can some of the Liberty posters (and others) alter/drop that supposition/notion?

I totally agree with WKUYG and other WKU posters--- No Thank you to the MAC!

Fair enough. I am glad to see not all WKU posters want the MAC. I do understand when CUSA looked like it was down to 5 teams, why WKU would want out. Hopefully with the additions and new TV contract that will satisfy WKU fans for the moment.
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Happy to be in CUSA can have several takes. I just put the positives up against the negatives. From my POV, the conference options realistically available to most schools ranges from no options, to just moderately better.

On the other hand, when comparing CUSA to the worst possible other options includes remaining Indy in FBS for some schools or not being able to move up for others, ranging down to the conference falling apart and adding literally anyone willing to join just to avoid disintegration.

When looking at the highest upside of other options, they aren’t really that much better in the big scheme of things. But the bottom could have been so much lower than I think most realize, that it pays to keep that in mind.

When NMSU joined the WAC, I was very happy. And it remained a great home for a number of years. I never imagined that we’d be left with Idaho and first year member Seattle as the only members, adding Chicago State, UMKC, and some D2 schools just to be able to keep an auto bid to the tourney. Something similar could have happened here everybody flees a sinking ship. With a worst case scenario for comparison, I think most of the remaining schools are actually in a better spot than some fans may realize. I never imaged the Aggies being in that position.

*I apologize for writing an entire book on the subject, lol, but I do that sometimes.
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(11-18-2022 11:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  Happy to be in CUSA can have several takes. I just put the positives up against the negatives. From my POV, the conference options realistically available to most schools ranges from no options, to just moderately better.

On the other hand, when comparing CUSA to the worst possible other options includes remaining Indy in FBS for some schools or not being able to move up for others, ranging down to the conference falling apart and adding literally anyone willing to join just to avoid disintegration.

When looking at the highest upside of other options, they aren’t really that much better in the big scheme of things. But the bottom could have been so much lower than I think most realize, that it pays to keep that in mind.

When NMSU joined the WAC, I was very happy. And it remained a great home for a number of years. I never imagined that we’d be left with Idaho and first year member Seattle as the only members, adding Chicago State, UMKC, and some D2 schools just to be able to keep an auto bid to the tourney. Something similar could have happened here everybody flees a sinking ship. With a worst case scenario for comparison, I think most of the remaining schools are actually in a better spot than some fans may realize. I never imaged the Aggies being in that position.

*I apologize for writing an entire book on the subject, lol, but I do that sometimes.

If your main point is---- IT could have been WORSE. I agree. We had a conference "car wreck" which resulted in a broken leg, broken right arm and we lost a few teeth along with a scar and some bruises. Over time the leg and arm will heal (with proper therapy). Scars and bruises will fade and insurance will pay for dental implants.

We lost NINE of fourteen teams and I don't blame some for still being upset.

I know of no FBS conference in HISTORY who has ever lost 9/14 in such a short time period.

The FIVE C-USA legacy members have been through a lot--- I hope the *NEW FIVE* will comprehend this fact.

All is not "jolly" but we survived and our FUTURE IS WHAT WE MAKE IT!
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When your ship is sinking you are not too concerned about which fleet you're in.

For Tech, we have issues with the "empty-suits" in charge and the name of the conference is irrelevant.
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I’m pretty sure MT alumni and fans aren’t happy about anything. Conference, performance, our leadership, the declining fan base because of the aforementioned. None of us are “happy” about a) what’s happened to this league and b) being in it now. But at least it’s not the MAC. That’s the only good thing we can say about it. But there’s a big delta between that and being happy with it. We’ll be on the next train out of here if a viable opportunity emerges.
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(11-19-2022 12:34 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  
(11-18-2022 11:02 PM)Todor Wrote:  Happy to be in CUSA can have several takes. I just put the positives up against the negatives. From my POV, the conference options realistically available to most schools ranges from no options, to just moderately better.

On the other hand, when comparing CUSA to the worst possible other options includes remaining Indy in FBS for some schools or not being able to move up for others, ranging down to the conference falling apart and adding literally anyone willing to join just to avoid disintegration.

When looking at the highest upside of other options, they aren’t really that much better in the big scheme of things. But the bottom could have been so much lower than I think most realize, that it pays to keep that in mind.

When NMSU joined the WAC, I was very happy. And it remained a great home for a number of years. I never imagined that we’d be left with Idaho and first year member Seattle as the only members, adding Chicago State, UMKC, and some D2 schools just to be able to keep an auto bid to the tourney. Something similar could have happened here everybody flees a sinking ship. With a worst case scenario for comparison, I think most of the remaining schools are actually in a better spot than some fans may realize. I never imaged the Aggies being in that position.

*I apologize for writing an entire book on the subject, lol, but I do that sometimes.

If your main point is---- IT could have been WORSE. I agree. We had a conference "car wreck" which resulted in a broken leg, broken right arm and we lost a few teeth along with a scar and some bruises. Over time the leg and arm will heal (with proper therapy). Scars and bruises will fade and insurance will pay for dental implants.

We lost NINE of fourteen teams and I don't blame some for still being upset.

I know of no FBS conference in HISTORY who has ever lost 9/14 in such a short time period.

The FIVE C-USA legacy members have been through a lot--- I hope the *NEW FIVE* will comprehend this fact.

All is not "jolly" but we survived and our FUTURE IS WHAT WE MAKE IT!

More precisely, the bottom is MUCH lower than we are at right now. But the best of all possible worlds for most schools isn’t THAT much higher. I mean, no one is getting CUSA media payouts because they juuust missed out on a $50 million per year in the SEC. The other realistic options for most of us are very marginally better. It is providing what a conference home is supposed to. It sponsors all of the important sports at the highest (FBS) level, gets us on TV, pays us, media money, has a name people recognize etc. If any of us dream of moving up the food chain, it’s going to have be in the next round folks. We are all where we are for a reason.
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(11-19-2022 02:07 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I’m pretty sure MT alumni and fans aren’t happy about anything. Conference, performance, our leadership, the declining fan base because of the aforementioned.....

A safe bet. Not at all happy with conference options, but the never ending lifetime contract situation with the head coach has me anxiously hoping and on alert for obituaries that might provide relief. More conference movement or even caring about it is on a back burner until MT's leadership is gone, one way or the other.
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