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(06-05-2023 07:07 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:25 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 12:57 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Tanner Hall from Southern Miss threw over 120 pitches on Friday and is starting today.

The abuse on that kids arm is absurd. If he throws more than 1 inning, that coach should be fired. (new coach and anyone involved in this decision)

Absolutely brutal...completely lack of care for the player's welfare.

And Penn got a few runs on him so it wasn't even worth it.

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He was cruising in the second inning when a runner reached on an error with 2 outs. Then 2 unearned runs scored after several seeing-eye basehits.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Many of these pitchers threw more pitches in a week in high school. At least in college they are getting care before and after games. And weekend starters usually have a bullpen session between their one start per week so this was similar to that.

Paul Skenes for LSU threw a CG on Friday and would have probably pitched some tonight if LSU lost this afternoon. And he is probably the No. 1 pick in the upcoming draft.

(06-05-2023 07:30 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 07:07 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:25 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 12:57 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Tanner Hall from Southern Miss threw over 120 pitches on Friday and is starting today.

The abuse on that kids arm is absurd. If he throws more than 1 inning, that coach should be fired. (new coach and anyone involved in this decision)

Absolutely brutal...completely lack of care for the player's welfare.

And Penn got a few runs on him so it wasn't even worth it.

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He was cruising in the second inning when a runner reached on an error with 2 outs. Then 2 unearned runs scored after several seeing-eye basehits.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Many of these pitchers threw more pitches in a week in high school. At least in college they are getting care before and after games. And weekend starters usually have a bullpen session between their one start per week so this was similar to that.

Paul Skenes for LSU threw a CG on Friday and would have probably pitched some tonight if LSU lost this afternoon. And he is probably the No. 1 pick in the upcoming draft.

They usually throw a light session after 2 days reat. That is much different than a pressure packed postseason game. There is no treatment for that that helps except resting the arm to get it back to full strength. When you ramp up with fatigue, it causes other issues. 1 inning….maybe.


There are so many pitchers like Ben Mcdonald and Matt Harvey that just got abused by college coaches. I know a guy that threw 170 pitches in a game. Arm was never the same.

(06-05-2023 07:30 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 07:07 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:25 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 12:57 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Tanner Hall from Southern Miss threw over 120 pitches on Friday and is starting today.

The abuse on that kids arm is absurd. If he throws more than 1 inning, that coach should be fired. (new coach and anyone involved in this decision)

Absolutely brutal...completely lack of care for the player's welfare.

And Penn got a few runs on him so it wasn't even worth it.

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He was cruising in the second inning when a runner reached on an error with 2 outs. Then 2 unearned runs scored after several seeing-eye basehits.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Many of these pitchers threw more pitches in a week in high school. At least in college they are getting care before and after games. And weekend starters usually have a bullpen session between their one start per week so this was similar to that.

Paul Skenes for LSU threw a CG on Friday and would have probably pitched some tonight if LSU lost this afternoon. And he is probably the No. 1 pick in the upcoming draft.

Seems like pitchers were tougher, more durable, had a stronger work ethic, or something back in the day. MLB starting pitchers used to routinely pitch in a 4-man rotation, now it's routinely a 5-man rotation (once in a while it's even 6). They also typically went deeper in the games than the 5 - 6 innings that most do today.

On June 14, 1974, Nolan Ryan struck out 19 Red Sox hitters over 13 innings in the California Angels' 4-3, 15-inning victory. Ryan’s pitch count: 235, according to accounts from the game. Luis Tiant pitched 14 - 1/3 innings in defeat for the Red Sox.

Ryan made his next start against the Yankees (six scoreless innings) on just three days’ rest and finished the season with 26 complete games. He pitched 19 more seasons - past his 46th birthday, and even threw a no-hitter (his 7th) at age 44.

https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-thre...n-one-game

No, pitchers werent “tougher” back in the day. There are a variety of reasons and part of it is teams are smarter about their investments now. But:

Pitchers mechanics have changed over time to have pitchers throw with maximum velocity. In the old days, pitchers didn't throw with max effort bc they werre expected throw the whole game.

Players back then play other sports growing up. Nowadays guys play travel AAU ball and have more wear and tear on their arms before getting to the league.

Back then players used the same ball all game and it was not juiced. Thus, as the game went on, the ball was a mess and it didnt jump off the bat. This helped pitchers obviously. Obviously hitters werent ripped to shreds like they are now.

Pitchers back then did not throw as many breaking balls and certainly not at 12 years old

Well it worked out for SoMiss.

Comparing any pitcher to Nolan Ryan, is just unfair and unfair.

Well thats the issue. We are speaking out cor whats best for the pitcher and his future

(06-06-2023 06:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  No, pitchers werent “tougher” back in the day. There are a variety of reasons and part of it is teams are smarter about their investments now. But:

Pitchers mechanics have changed over time to have pitchers throw with maximum velocity. In the old days, pitchers didn't throw with max effort bc they werre expected throw the whole game.

Players back then play other sports growing up. Nowadays guys play travel AAU ball and have more wear and tear on their arms before getting to the league.

Back then players used the same ball all game and it was not juiced. Thus, as the game went on, the ball was a mess and it didnt jump off the bat. This helped pitchers obviously. Obviously hitters werent ripped to shreds like they are now.

Pitchers back then did not throw as many breaking balls and certainly not at 12 years old

Yes they were tougher. 5 man rotations did not become vogue till late 80s. The Dodgers experimented with 5 man rotations in the early 70s. However they didn’t move to that permanently till later. When you regularly pitch on 3 days rest you get used to it.

MLB stopped using one ball in a game at the end of the dead all era, 1920. Nolan Ryan is old, but not that old. Yes they didn’t use as many as now, but they stopped using just one over 100 years ago. There is a very real reason. It helps hitters. Fresh balls travel further, and are easier to hit. How many rules/changes have been made to help pitchers? Almost zero. Changes almost always favor offense, I.e., hitters.

(06-06-2023 08:16 AM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  

(06-06-2023 06:18 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  No, pitchers werent “tougher” back in the day. There are a variety of reasons and part of it is teams are smarter about their investments now. But:

Pitchers mechanics have changed over time to have pitchers throw with maximum velocity. In the old days, pitchers didn't throw with max effort bc they werre expected throw the whole game.

Players back then play other sports growing up. Nowadays guys play travel AAU ball and have more wear and tear on their arms before getting to the league.

Back then players used the same ball all game and it was not juiced. Thus, as the game went on, the ball was a mess and it didnt jump off the bat. This helped pitchers obviously. Obviously hitters werent ripped to shreds like they are now.

Pitchers back then did not throw as many breaking balls and certainly not at 12 years old

Yes they were tougher. 5 man rotations did not become vogue till late 80s. The Dodgers experimented with 5 man rotations in the early 70s. However they didn’t move to that permanently till later. When you regularly pitch on 3 days rest you get used to it.

MLB stopped using one ball in a game at the end of the dead all era, 1920. Nolan Ryan is old, but not that old. Yes they didn’t use as many as now, but they stopped using just one over 100 years ago. There is a very real reason. It helps hitters. Fresh balls travel further, and are easier to hit. How many rules/changes have been made to help pitchers? Almost zero. Changes almost always favor offense, I.e., hitters.

Lots of the reasons I mentioned were why pitchers could throw more innings in the 80s.

(06-05-2023 11:54 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 07:30 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 07:07 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 02:25 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(06-05-2023 12:57 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Tanner Hall from Southern Miss threw over 120 pitches on Friday and is starting today.

The abuse on that kids arm is absurd. If he throws more than 1 inning, that coach should be fired. (new coach and anyone involved in this decision)

Absolutely brutal...completely lack of care for the player's welfare.

And Penn got a few runs on him so it wasn't even worth it.

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He was cruising in the second inning when a runner reached on an error with 2 outs. Then 2 unearned runs scored after several seeing-eye basehits.

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Many of these pitchers threw more pitches in a week in high school. At least in college they are getting care before and after games. And weekend starters usually have a bullpen session between their one start per week so this was similar to that.

Paul Skenes for LSU threw a CG on Friday and would have probably pitched some tonight if LSU lost this afternoon. And he is probably the No. 1 pick in the upcoming draft.

Seems like pitchers were tougher, more durable, had a stronger work ethic, or something back in the day. MLB starting pitchers used to routinely pitch in a 4-man rotation, now it's routinely a 5-man rotation (once in a while it's even 6). They also typically went deeper in the games than the 5 - 6 innings that most do today.

On June 14, 1974, Nolan Ryan struck out 19 Red Sox hitters over 13 innings in the California Angels' 4-3, 15-inning victory. Ryan’s pitch count: 235, according to accounts from the game. Luis Tiant pitched 14 - 1/3 innings in defeat for the Red Sox.

Ryan made his next start against the Yankees (six scoreless innings) on just three days’ rest and finished the season with 26 complete games. He pitched 19 more seasons - past his 46th birthday, and even threw a no-hitter (his 7th) at age 44.

https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-thre...n-one-game

There is a very good documentary about Nolan Ryan on Netflix. You might like it.

After contributing for the last two seasons, that last D4D last season was my last ever, or at least until the school finds better leadership. My alumni dollars are fully going somewhere else. Can't get anyone at ODU to return any calls, letters or e-mail, so they don't need my dollars. Best of luck again for Coach Finwood, who appears to be a good dude who runs what appears to be a good program.

Great job Monarchists for creating a real grassroots effort the school had to take notice of. Kudos.

(06-06-2023 09:14 PM)ODUwildman Wrote:  After contributing for the last two seasons, that last D4D last season was my last ever, or at least until the school finds better leadership. My alumni dollars are fully going somewhere else. Can't get anyone at ODU to return any calls, letters or e-mail, so they don't need my dollars. Best of luck again for Coach Finwood, who appears to be a good dude who runs what appears to be a good program.

Great job Monarchists for creating a real grassroots effort the school had to take notice of. Kudos.

Thank you for the support the past two years. Would love to keep you as our effort truly is a grassroots effort and every penny goes straight to the squad. If you have a change of heart, we’d love to have you back!


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Picked up some momentum today! Still time to join the campaign!

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