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RE: CAA Watch
Towson dropped a close one at Clemson 80 to 75.

Hofstra got throttled 85 to 66 at Purdue
12-08-2022 06:38 AM
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CAA Watch
(12-06-2022 02:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 11:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Ultimately a fair way to assess is if the additions will cause the CAA NCAA representative to have a lower seed than they would have had if no expansion had occurred. Also, you will need to factor in the travel cost savings somehow.

Seeding is based upon the ranking of the school in the tournament, not the conference. Losses to the bad teams in the CA could certainly affect each schools ranking, but I can't see how the ranking of the conference would affect seeding.

As you said, if your conference but your not, then your NET ranking will be negatively impacted, thus lowering your seed, especially if you have a bad loss.

So while the ranking of a conference doesn't necessarily mean much, playing the schools in a low ranking conference will drag you down and could hurt your seeding. Once we start conference play, see Charleston's NET drop.

Sam Houston State is another example. Right now they are #7. They will drop too once they start WAC play.


Disagree. You think a (for example only) a Winthrop team with no losses or one loss on the season would get a #1 or a #2 seed? Or perhaps, they’d look at their schedule, who they beat and be like… “Nah, those wins are against weak competition.”

C’mon man.


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12-09-2022 08:36 AM
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RE: CAA Watch
(12-09-2022 08:36 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 11:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Ultimately a fair way to assess is if the additions will cause the CAA NCAA representative to have a lower seed than they would have had if no expansion had occurred. Also, you will need to factor in the travel cost savings somehow.

Seeding is based upon the ranking of the school in the tournament, not the conference. Losses to the bad teams in the CA could certainly affect each schools ranking, but I can't see how the ranking of the conference would affect seeding.

As you said, if your conference but your not, then your NET ranking will be negatively impacted, thus lowering your seed, especially if you have a bad loss.

So while the ranking of a conference doesn't necessarily mean much, playing the schools in a low ranking conference will drag you down and could hurt your seeding. Once we start conference play, see Charleston's NET drop.

Sam Houston State is another example. Right now they are #7. They will drop too once they start WAC play.


Disagree. You think a (for example only) a Winthrop team with no losses or one loss on the season would get a #1 or a #2 seed? Or perhaps, they’d look at their schedule, who they beat and be like… “Nah, those wins are against weak competition.”

C’mon man.


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12-09-2022 09:07 AM
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RE: CAA Watch
(12-09-2022 08:36 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 11:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Ultimately a fair way to assess is if the additions will cause the CAA NCAA representative to have a lower seed than they would have had if no expansion had occurred. Also, you will need to factor in the travel cost savings somehow.

Seeding is based upon the ranking of the school in the tournament, not the conference. Losses to the bad teams in the CA could certainly affect each schools ranking, but I can't see how the ranking of the conference would affect seeding.

As you said, if your conference but your not, then your NET ranking will be negatively impacted, thus lowering your seed, especially if you have a bad loss.

So while the ranking of a conference doesn't necessarily mean much, playing the schools in a low ranking conference will drag you down and could hurt your seeding. Once we start conference play, see Charleston's NET drop.

Sam Houston State is another example. Right now they are #7. They will drop too once they start WAC play.


Disagree. You think a (for example only) a Winthrop team with no losses or one loss on the season would get a #1 or a #2 seed? Or perhaps, they’d look at their schedule, who they beat and be like… “Nah, those wins are against weak competition.”

C’mon man.


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That's why the OOC schedule is so important. Look at ours. Let's say we had beaten UNC, UConn and Oklahoma and run the table in OOC, where do you think we'd be ranked going in to conference play? I'd bet top 15 since that would be one hell of a record. How do you think Gonzaga became a powerhouse? Their conference sucked for a long time and has only recently become decent, but they built their rankings over time. And if we ended the year with those wins and 1 or 2 losses, we'd be a pretty high seed in the Big Dance.
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RE: CAA Watch
(12-09-2022 08:36 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 11:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Ultimately a fair way to assess is if the additions will cause the CAA NCAA representative to have a lower seed than they would have had if no expansion had occurred. Also, you will need to factor in the travel cost savings somehow.

Seeding is based upon the ranking of the school in the tournament, not the conference. Losses to the bad teams in the CA could certainly affect each schools ranking, but I can't see how the ranking of the conference would affect seeding.

As you said, if your conference but your not, then your NET ranking will be negatively impacted, thus lowering your seed, especially if you have a bad loss.

So while the ranking of a conference doesn't necessarily mean much, playing the schools in a low ranking conference will drag you down and could hurt your seeding. Once we start conference play, see Charleston's NET drop.

Sam Houston State is another example. Right now they are #7. They will drop too once they start WAC play.


Disagree. You think a (for example only) a Winthrop team with no losses or one loss on the season would get a #1 or a #2 seed? Or perhaps, they’d look at their schedule, who they beat and be like… “Nah, those wins are against weak competition.”

C’mon man.


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Not sure what you're disagreeing with. That's the point I was making. Just being in the CAA and playing a CAA schedule hurts your NET rankings, win or lose. Losses are especially penalizing but wins don't really help either.

Our NET ranking is top 100 now, but when we play all those sub 300 teams it will drop, even if we win by 50
12-09-2022 09:33 AM
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RE: CAA Watch
(12-09-2022 09:33 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-09-2022 08:36 AM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 02:36 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(12-06-2022 11:34 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Ultimately a fair way to assess is if the additions will cause the CAA NCAA representative to have a lower seed than they would have had if no expansion had occurred. Also, you will need to factor in the travel cost savings somehow.

Seeding is based upon the ranking of the school in the tournament, not the conference. Losses to the bad teams in the CA could certainly affect each schools ranking, but I can't see how the ranking of the conference would affect seeding.

As you said, if your conference but your not, then your NET ranking will be negatively impacted, thus lowering your seed, especially if you have a bad loss.

So while the ranking of a conference doesn't necessarily mean much, playing the schools in a low ranking conference will drag you down and could hurt your seeding. Once we start conference play, see Charleston's NET drop.

Sam Houston State is another example. Right now they are #7. They will drop too once they start WAC play.


Disagree. You think a (for example only) a Winthrop team with no losses or one loss on the season would get a #1 or a #2 seed? Or perhaps, they’d look at their schedule, who they beat and be like… “Nah, those wins are against weak competition.”

C’mon man.


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Not sure what you're disagreeing with. That's the point I was making. Just being in the CAA and playing a CAA schedule hurts your NET rankings, win or lose. Losses are especially penalizing but wins don't really help either.

Our NET ranking is top 100 now, but when we play all those sub 300 teams it will drop, even if we win by 50


I think he was disagreeing with me....
12-09-2022 09:39 AM
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RE: CAA Watch
Not adding anything not already known, but win your games and it sorts itself out. Have success in the OOC and then a gaudy record in conference and you set yourself up for the best seed possible. Dont and you suffer come NCAA time. This has always been the case. Unbalanced top and bottom with just a couple teams performing well OOC is how smaller conferences get at larges. Its been a long time since our conference was this unbalanced, but that doesnt mean its worse from NCAA bid perspective. Dominant teams set themselves up for success, period.
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RE: CAA Watch
After yesterday the Hawks are now the #2 ranked team in the CAA
Charleston - 55
UNCW - 72
Hofstra - 79
Towson - 92
Drexel - 197
Delaware- 219

Hofstra hosting UMass tonight is another chance
12-11-2022 08:16 AM
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RE: CAA Watch
(12-11-2022 08:16 AM)solohawks Wrote:  After yesterday the Hawks are now the #2 ranked team in the CAA
Charleston - 55
UNCW - 72
Hofstra - 79
Towson - 92
Drexel - 197
Delaware- 219

Hofstra hosting UMass tonight is another chance

Meanwhile, KenPom's rankings still don't like us (or Charleston) nearly as much as the NET for some reason:

Towson - 97
Charleston - 99
Hofstra - 123
UNCW - 128
Drexel - 194
Delaware - 201

Sagarin is more favorable:

Charleston - 79
Towson - 112
UNCW - 117
Hofstra - 128
Drexel - 183
Delaware - 205
12-11-2022 02:43 PM
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RE: CAA Watch
Towson let an 8 point halftime lead slip away and lost TO to Navy at home in OT. Navy's 2nd CAA win
12-11-2022 06:56 PM
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If you have access to YES this Hoftsra UMass game is looking to be a tight one
12-11-2022 07:21 PM
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RE: CAA Watch
Hofstra loses to UMass 71-56.

Not a good night for the CAA.
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Our first 4 CAA games will be Quad 4 games03-weeping
12-11-2022 09:09 PM
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(12-11-2022 09:09 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Our first 4 CAA games will be Quad 4 games03-weeping

What a surprise that 3 of those 4 are new additions to the league.

The 4 new teams in this league are all looking like they will end up in the bottom 5 or 6 of the CAA this season.
12-11-2022 09:41 PM
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(12-11-2022 09:41 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(12-11-2022 09:09 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Our first 4 CAA games will be Quad 4 games03-weeping

What a surprise that 3 of those 4 are new additions to the league.

The 4 new teams in this league are all looking like they will end up in the bottom 5 or 6 of the CAA this season.

Don't sit on A&T. I think they're going to surprise some people. They play lock down, in your face D and they have some guys who can score. Monmourh, Stony Brook and Hampton, agree.
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(12-11-2022 09:41 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(12-11-2022 09:09 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Our first 4 CAA games will be Quad 4 games03-weeping

What a surprise that 3 of those 4 are new additions to the league.

The 4 new teams in this league are all looking like they will end up in the bottom 5 or 6 of the CAA this season.

In year 1 when you havent recruited to that new level, this is not a surprise even a little.
12-12-2022 10:19 AM
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Stony Brook's best chance for an OOC win comes tonight at home against Sacred Heart.

Monmouth going to Cuse as well
12-12-2022 10:40 AM
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(12-12-2022 06:09 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Don't sit on A&T. I think they're going to surprise some people. They play lock down, in your face D and they have some guys who can score. Monmourh, Stony Brook and Hampton, agree.

A&T is definitely the best of the additions but I still don't see a path to them finishing higher than 8th based on their play to date. They've only played 5 D1 games so far; they aren't ready for this heat.

I was hoping Monmouth would be much better given some of their historical success as a program. Not so much.
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(12-12-2022 10:19 AM)dan10 Wrote:  In year 1 when you havent recruited to that new level, this is not a surprise even a little.

Do you think recruitment will significantly improve for those schools over the next few years?
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If I remember right, Towson was not very good when they came to the CAA. It's really on each school to improve their programs. And it starts with the admins and booster support. While we don't get the financial support we need, we do very well when we have coaches and ADs who understand what we have to offer. And they use our advantages for draw the talent we need.
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