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Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

100%. Those cute quips had an impact.

It was a bit much, and his drivel and unprecedented deficit spending (at the time, but the culture remained for GOP presidents since) set in motion the very business landscape we have today. The widening between the top and the rest hasn't been this great since the turn of the 20th century.

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

(10-31-2022 12:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:23 PM)ktotten Wrote:  Amazing how similar that the Russian's talking points sound to...MAGA-GOP! Isn't it though?

https://ca.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-russ...59057.html

Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

I'm just saying that he followed his oath of office and didn't do anything to destroy American democracy. Each party will always have disagreements over policy. Some of that push & pull is healthy for our country. Trump has empowered a generation of his followers to believe gaining power is the only thing that matters. Truth doesn't matter. Laws don't matter. Integrity doesn't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. It's all about gaining power at all costs.

(10-31-2022 02:27 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-30-2022 03:43 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Actually not that amazing.

Very predictable after The Donald changed parties (remember when he was a Democrat?) around 2009 because he saw that as his path to the presidency-power because he had become a national joke with "The Apprentice."

His affinity for despots and dictators like Putin has been well-documented.

What is amazing is how the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan et al has got down on its knees to him as he exploits the white supremacist, Christian nationalist "base" to try to keep himself and family rich and revered.

Even after four years of one of the worst presidencies in US history that put the future of our Democracy in serious doubt.

Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

I'm just saying that he followed his oath of office and didn't do anything to destroy American democracy. Each party will always have disagreements over policy. Some of that push & pull is healthy for our country. Trump has empowered a generation of his followers to believe gaining power is the only thing that matters. Truth doesn't matter. Laws don't matter. Integrity doesn't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. It's all about gaining power at all costs.

Yea, certainly Trump is on a whole new level. I never was worried about any previous presidents trying to essentially end our democracy.

(10-31-2022 04:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 02:27 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

I'm just saying that he followed his oath of office and didn't do anything to destroy American democracy. Each party will always have disagreements over policy. Some of that push & pull is healthy for our country. Trump has empowered a generation of his followers to believe gaining power is the only thing that matters. Truth doesn't matter. Laws don't matter. Integrity doesn't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. It's all about gaining power at all costs.

Yea, certainly Trump is on a whole new level. I never was worried about any previous presidents trying to essentially end our democracy.

And being allowed to tirelessly work after he lost the first time. THAT is the part that we all miscalculated. Figured after he lost, he disappears into the ethos a defeated man. Instead, he's a raging maniac spreading his lies faster than he can fabricate them, and the pliable minds soak it up and recite on the spot.

Say it every time we discuss. This is scary AF.

(10-31-2022 05:05 PM)ktotten Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 04:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 02:27 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

I'm just saying that he followed his oath of office and didn't do anything to destroy American democracy. Each party will always have disagreements over policy. Some of that push & pull is healthy for our country. Trump has empowered a generation of his followers to believe gaining power is the only thing that matters. Truth doesn't matter. Laws don't matter. Integrity doesn't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. It's all about gaining power at all costs.

Yea, certainly Trump is on a whole new level. I never was worried about any previous presidents trying to essentially end our democracy.

And being allowed to tirelessly work after he lost the first time. THAT is the part that we all miscalculated. Figured after he lost, he disappears into the ethos a defeated man. Instead, he's a raging maniac spreading his lies faster than he can fabricate them, and the pliable minds soak it up and recite on the spot.

Say it every time we discuss. This is scary AF.

I think if it had just been Trump we might have been okay, even though he spent months even before the election claiming the election would be rigged, in case he lost. I wasn't as sanguine as most that he would end up conceding. Like you, I thought he would still fade away even so. What astounded me though was polls showing more than 60% of that party's voters fell for that sh** and still think Trump won. People like Cruz, Hawley, and others that openly amplified Trump's claims helped Trump maintain his hold. And our education/political/media system has apparently failed.

(10-31-2022 04:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 02:27 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 12:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 11:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Reagan got the thing started in earnest with his selfish, anti-government drivel.

There is healthy debate to be had between too much government and not enough government amongst responsible politicians. Reagan was a responsible President. In my lifetime, we had responsible Presidents all the way up until 2016.

He's "responsible" for more lasting damage than any other modern president, though Trump will give him a run for his money depending on what happens in the next couple of elections.

I'm just saying that he followed his oath of office and didn't do anything to destroy American democracy. Each party will always have disagreements over policy. Some of that push & pull is healthy for our country. Trump has empowered a generation of his followers to believe gaining power is the only thing that matters. Truth doesn't matter. Laws don't matter. Integrity doesn't matter. Democracy doesn't matter. It's all about gaining power at all costs.

Yea, certainly Trump is on a whole new level. I never was worried about any previous presidents trying to essentially end our democracy.

This!

(11-02-2022 10:45 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I think if it had just been Trump we might have been okay, even though he spent months even before the election claiming the election would be rigged, in case he lost.

Yup, it's hard to keep track of all the Trump variants and MAGA mini-mes out there now. Even in my 2016 pessimism, it all metastasized way more than I thought it would.

I mean, Krazy Kari Lake is frightening even by MAGA standards. And she's got a legit shot at being a governor.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

If you want to consider what may (will?) happen if Trump is elected in 2024, read the newest issue of NEWSWEEK ("You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet").

Opinions from both sides.

Very, very scary.

(11-02-2022 01:59 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

If you want to consider what may (will?) happen if Trump is elected in 2024, read the newest issue of NEWSWEEK ("You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet").

Opinions from both sides.

Very, very scary.

If Trump wins 2024 then our population chose fascism.

No going back from that chit.

(11-02-2022 02:16 PM)ktotten Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 01:59 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...81dfb1e9c7

If you want to consider what may (will?) happen if Trump is elected in 2024, read the newest issue of NEWSWEEK ("You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet").

Opinions from both sides.

Very, very scary.

If Trump wins 2024 then our population chose fascism.

No going back from that chit.

Yes. Democracy as we have known it will be dead.

Including The Constitution.

All thanks to one man and his minions.

His minions will whine the loudest when they realize how bad it's going to get.

(11-02-2022 04:13 PM)ktotten Wrote:  His minions will whine the loudest when they realize how bad it's going to get.

They will still blame it on the Democrats. The bad economic and other statistics will just be "propaganda" by the left.

It'll be much worse that economic statistics and propaganda blaming. When they steal their rights, wealth and opportunities and funnel it to a few Oligarches, Russia style, you'll hear the misery.