(11-01-2022 03:06 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 05:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:55 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

I obviously couldn’t agree more. There has been exactly one season where we finished above .500 in MAC play under Creighton. And we are afraid of losing that? It’s a far easier job to sell to a potential coach now than it was when we hired Creighton, and he deserves the credit he gets for that. But he’s showed us exactly who he is as a coach ever since 2018, and I don’t know why we should expect anything different moving forward. Our 4th quarter offense against Toledo gave me total Ken Karcher vibes, when we used to run Alex Gillett up the middle 3 times and then punt. Something HAS to change.

But of course, his contract means we are stuck with him until he leaves, or the mediocrity consistently starts to falter. Or if bovine or I win the Mega Millions and give the school more than enough buy-out money.

I believe the football staff needs a shake up. But I cannot believe that you guys want Wetherbee that make a coaching hire. (Any decisions really)

Didn’t he hire Stan Heath? I thought he did a great job with that one. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, but you’re closer to the school and program than I currently am.

(11-02-2022 06:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 03:06 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 05:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:55 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

I obviously couldn’t agree more. There has been exactly one season where we finished above .500 in MAC play under Creighton. And we are afraid of losing that? It’s a far easier job to sell to a potential coach now than it was when we hired Creighton, and he deserves the credit he gets for that. But he’s showed us exactly who he is as a coach ever since 2018, and I don’t know why we should expect anything different moving forward. Our 4th quarter offense against Toledo gave me total Ken Karcher vibes, when we used to run Alex Gillett up the middle 3 times and then punt. Something HAS to change.

But of course, his contract means we are stuck with him until he leaves, or the mediocrity consistently starts to falter. Or if bovine or I win the Mega Millions and give the school more than enough buy-out money.

I believe the football staff needs a shake up. But I cannot believe that you guys want Wetherbee that make a coaching hire. (Any decisions really)

Didn’t he hire Stan Heath? I thought he did a great job with that one. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, but you’re closer to the school and program than I currently am.

Sure he landed Heath—but how much was that Heath wanting to be at his alma mater? I mean literally this board was screaming for his hire. That is not exactly rocket science.

At any rate many programs have regressed since 2018. And many bad contracts have been signed since. Keep in mind the Game Above people chose to create their own foundation—outside of EMU—and most of the good things have been done by them. The Stone EMU relationship predates the current athletic department. I remember when the then new athletic director promised to improve the game day experience. Since then the beer porch is less fun, the food trucks are less, the bathrooms are worse, the WiFi is spotty…

Lastly, assuming CC admits their needs to be a change, he is more likely to find clever coaches (he found Deboer! Neathery was/is an upgrade over McCaslin) then the AD is to find a better HC.

(11-02-2022 12:36 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 06:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 03:06 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 05:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(10-31-2022 06:55 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I’m surprised so many people are afraid of change because it could fail. Is there a big difference between 4 wins and 6/7 without any bowl wins, championship appearances, etc.? I don’t think so, but obviously I’m in the minority.

And what if we got someone better? A lot of people are saying CC is EMU’s greatest ever coach. I disagree vehemently. He’s our best supported and well-funded coach. I don’t think most of you realize how little our admin supported football financially before CC. If that resource commitment continued with a new coach, I think most would do as well, if not better.

Risk aversion makes sense when thinking about going from good to great. But to be afraid to leave .500 land is…sad.

I obviously couldn’t agree more. There has been exactly one season where we finished above .500 in MAC play under Creighton. And we are afraid of losing that? It’s a far easier job to sell to a potential coach now than it was when we hired Creighton, and he deserves the credit he gets for that. But he’s showed us exactly who he is as a coach ever since 2018, and I don’t know why we should expect anything different moving forward. Our 4th quarter offense against Toledo gave me total Ken Karcher vibes, when we used to run Alex Gillett up the middle 3 times and then punt. Something HAS to change.

But of course, his contract means we are stuck with him until he leaves, or the mediocrity consistently starts to falter. Or if bovine or I win the Mega Millions and give the school more than enough buy-out money.

I believe the football staff needs a shake up. But I cannot believe that you guys want Wetherbee that make a coaching hire. (Any decisions really)

Didn’t he hire Stan Heath? I thought he did a great job with that one. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, but you’re closer to the school and program than I currently am.

Sure he landed Heath—but how much was that Heath wanting to be at his alma mater? I mean literally this board was screaming for his hire. That is not exactly rocket science.

At any rate many programs have regressed since 2018. And many bad contracts have been signed since. Keep in mind the Game Above people chose to create their own foundation—outside of EMU—and most of the good things have been done by them. The Stone EMU relationship predates the current athletic department. I remember when the then new athletic director promised to improve the game day experience. Since then the beer porch is less fun, the food trucks are less, the bathrooms are worse, the WiFi is spotty…

Lastly, assuming CC admits their needs to be a change, he is more likely to find clever coaches (he found Deboer! Neathery was/is an upgrade over McCaslin) then the AD is to find a better HC.

CC for AD

(11-02-2022 12:39 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:36 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 06:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 03:06 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 05:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I obviously couldn’t agree more. There has been exactly one season where we finished above .500 in MAC play under Creighton. And we are afraid of losing that? It’s a far easier job to sell to a potential coach now than it was when we hired Creighton, and he deserves the credit he gets for that. But he’s showed us exactly who he is as a coach ever since 2018, and I don’t know why we should expect anything different moving forward. Our 4th quarter offense against Toledo gave me total Ken Karcher vibes, when we used to run Alex Gillett up the middle 3 times and then punt. Something HAS to change.

But of course, his contract means we are stuck with him until he leaves, or the mediocrity consistently starts to falter. Or if bovine or I win the Mega Millions and give the school more than enough buy-out money.

I believe the football staff needs a shake up. But I cannot believe that you guys want Wetherbee that make a coaching hire. (Any decisions really)

Didn’t he hire Stan Heath? I thought he did a great job with that one. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, but you’re closer to the school and program than I currently am.

Sure he landed Heath—but how much was that Heath wanting to be at his alma mater? I mean literally this board was screaming for his hire. That is not exactly rocket science.

At any rate many programs have regressed since 2018. And many bad contracts have been signed since. Keep in mind the Game Above people chose to create their own foundation—outside of EMU—and most of the good things have been done by them. The Stone EMU relationship predates the current athletic department. I remember when the then new athletic director promised to improve the game day experience. Since then the beer porch is less fun, the food trucks are less, the bathrooms are worse, the WiFi is spotty…

Lastly, assuming CC admits their needs to be a change, he is more likely to find clever coaches (he found Deboer! Neathery was/is an upgrade over McCaslin) then the AD is to find a better HC.

CC for AD

He essentially is. Nobody at the university is willing to tell him no.

(11-02-2022 01:53 PM)EagleHawk Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:39 PM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 12:36 PM)masttg Wrote:  

(11-02-2022 06:46 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-01-2022 03:06 PM)masttg Wrote:  I believe the football staff needs a shake up. But I cannot believe that you guys want Wetherbee that make a coaching hire. (Any decisions really)

Didn’t he hire Stan Heath? I thought he did a great job with that one. Not sure I follow your line of thinking, but you’re closer to the school and program than I currently am.

Sure he landed Heath—but how much was that Heath wanting to be at his alma mater? I mean literally this board was screaming for his hire. That is not exactly rocket science.

At any rate many programs have regressed since 2018. And many bad contracts have been signed since. Keep in mind the Game Above people chose to create their own foundation—outside of EMU—and most of the good things have been done by them. The Stone EMU relationship predates the current athletic department. I remember when the then new athletic director promised to improve the game day experience. Since then the beer porch is less fun, the food trucks are less, the bathrooms are worse, the WiFi is spotty…

Lastly, assuming CC admits their needs to be a change, he is more likely to find clever coaches (he found Deboer! Neathery was/is an upgrade over McCaslin) then the AD is to find a better HC.

CC for AD

He essentially is. Nobody at the university is willing to tell him no.

Why?
And are there concrete examples of this?