This was too in-depth of an article not to merit its own thread. Good quotes from Keith Gill, former GA Southern coach, Curt Cignetti and others.

If y’all hit a pay wall, tell me and I’ll post the good parts.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...3ebf5.html

My opinion is that we’re first year Sun Belt and knew the rules going in, whether they’re fun or fair or logical or not. Lots of football still to play, and I don’t want to piss and moan IF things work out a certain way. If a Coastal or someone else deserving is the standard bearer, then I’m a Chanticleer! Or whoever.

On my phone, if I X out of the paywall pop up, it still shows me the article.

Best thing that can happen for JMU now is losing out the rest of the season.

(10-09-2022 08:01 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  This was too in-depth of an article not to merit its own thread. Good quotes from Keith Gill, former GA Southern coach, Curt Cignetti and others.

If y’all hit a pay wall, tell me and I’ll post the good parts.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...3ebf5.html

My opinion is that we’re first year Sun Belt and knew the rules going in, whether they’re fun or fair or logical or not. Lots of football still to play, and I don’t want to piss and moan IF things work out a certain way. If a Coastal or someone else deserving is the standard bearer, then I’m a Chanticleer! Or whoever.

I mean you guys did get leniency. It sucks, don’t get me wrong but it could of been a two year transition.

A lot of people in the conference were kinda ticked off we applied for a bowl waiver in 2014 and delayed the bids going out, but I say go and do it. It's a stupid rule that didn't make any sense when it was implemented and makes even less sense now.

If JMU wins the East I’m all for them playing for the conference championship as long as they have to travel to the West

If they win that game, send them to the Cotton Bowl

As they are playing a full FBS schedule (only one FCS game) they should at least get to go to a bowl. At worst be the first alternate if there aren't enough six win teams.

Don't like the rules, don't play the game

(10-09-2022 10:23 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 08:01 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  This was too in-depth of an article not to merit its own thread. Good quotes from Keith Gill, former GA Southern coach, Curt Cignetti and others.

If y’all hit a pay wall, tell me and I’ll post the good parts.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...3ebf5.html

My opinion is that we’re first year Sun Belt and knew the rules going in, whether they’re fun or fair or logical or not. Lots of football still to play, and I don’t want to piss and moan IF things work out a certain way. If a Coastal or someone else deserving is the standard bearer, then I’m a Chanticleer! Or whoever.

I mean you guys did get leniency. It sucks, don’t get me wrong but it could of been a two year transition.

We haven't received anything yet. We're officially in year 1 of a two-year transition, just like SHSU and JSU. The only difference is that we're playing in FBS in year 1, while SHSU and JSU are playing in FCS. The transition rules don't explicitly state which subdivision a team must play in during year 1 of transition, so JMU took the unusual step of electing to play in FBS.

Our AD has said we plan to apply for a waiver to make us bowl-eligible in year 2 of our transition (i.e., 2023), but we haven't actually submitted any waiver requests or been granted any waivers at this time.

One thing that concerns me is that SHSU has publicly stated that they plan to apply for a bowl-eligibility waiver next year as well. Obviously the fact pattern is a little different, as JMU will be playing it's second FBS season and SHSU will be playing it's first. But on paper, both schools will be in year 2 of transition and it could put the NCAA in the awkward position of granting JMU's year 2 waiver while rejecting SHSU's year 2 waiver. I could see the NCAA rejecting both in the interest of "fairness".

That's why I believe we should push hard for a waiver this season before the noise of a SHSU (and possibly JSU) waiver request is introduced.

(10-09-2022 12:35 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Don't like the rules, don't play the game

I could live with this disappointed of course...if things go well, can't blame us for trying to get a waiver but it is what it is....I can think of worse problems

A waiver this season means a 0 year transition period ...as much as I'd love this ...it just seems extra extra exemptiony

(10-09-2022 01:09 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 12:35 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Don't like the rules, don't play the game

I could live with this disappointed of course...if things go well, can't blame us for trying to get a waiver but it is what it is....I can think of worse problems

Agreed, but I would be extremely disappointed if we can't get a year 2 waiver next year either. Having to wait until 2024 to be bowl eligible with a team like this would be a huge lost opportunity.

IMO, If JMU wins out I'm for them playing in the SBC Championship game. Should they win that then if the Cotton Bowl wants to invite them then more power to them. I believe the SBC would benefit from their success.

I don't even care one way or the other. App self destructed itself out of contention. Doesn't matter to me who wins the title if it's not my team.

(10-09-2022 01:30 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  IMO, If JMU wins out I'm for them playing in the SBC Championship game. Should they win that then if the Cotton Bowl wants to invite them then more power to them. I believe the SBC would benefit from their success.

The issue is more if they do win out, beating an so far unbeaten Coastal Carolina, then can't play in the Sun Belt championship and can't be invited to the Cotton bowl making the spot go to an AAC team when it otherwise would have gone to a Sun Belt team. Lot of football left, but this is a very real possibility.

(10-09-2022 10:23 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(10-09-2022 08:01 AM)Dukes94 Wrote:  This was too in-depth of an article not to merit its own thread. Good quotes from Keith Gill, former GA Southern coach, Curt Cignetti and others.

If y’all hit a pay wall, tell me and I’ll post the good parts.

https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...3ebf5.html

My opinion is that we’re first year Sun Belt and knew the rules going in, whether they’re fun or fair or logical or not. Lots of football still to play, and I don’t want to piss and moan IF things work out a certain way. If a Coastal or someone else deserving is the standard bearer, then I’m a Chanticleer! Or whoever.

I mean you guys did get leniency. It sucks, don’t get me wrong but it could of been a two year transition.

Right? AND scholly restrictions. Of which there were ZERO. So please, despite being a huge fan of you giving some people fits, don’t confuse this with being a “normal” transition.

I have zero issue with the SBC not allowing us to be eligible for the CCG if we aren't bowl eligible. That's what's best for the conference imo and obviously the conference's presidents agree. The Sun Belt has been excellent to us in our transition and to all its new members. If the NCAA were to grant us a waiver to be bowl eligible not just one but two years early then I suspect the SBC would immediately deem us eligible for the CCG.

I do think the NCAA rule probably shouldn't exist anymore and has no real reason to anymore. I also think JMU is the perfect example of how the NCAA wants teams to prepare to move up so granting us a waiver for doing it the right way would make a lot of sense. Denying SHSU the waiver for not doing it the right way would also make a lot of sense. I don't think that's likely though, so I'm just gonna enjoy the ride and then be pleasantly surprised(REALLY surprised) if anything changes regarding this year. I will be disappointed if we're denied for next year though.

Either way, I'm really grateful we were able to get the full FBS/SBC schedule we have this year. It's a little disappointing that such a good JMU team will have to miss out on the postseason but just imagine if such a good JMU team had to play some garbage FCS or half FCS schedule.

Very well said

Lots of FB left to play. That said, restrictions like these unnecessary (dumb) rules only hurt the student athletes. If the athletes earn it on the field, let them play for conference championships and post season bowls. An undefeated JMU team playing in a NY Cotton Bowl game would be great PR for the SBC.

It is a dumb rule that only punishes the athletes. If JMU is the best team in the conference then they should be treated as such. They should get to play in the conference championship game and bowl game should they earn it.

Looking back, how did we (Marshall) get to move up in 1997 and immediately win the MAC title and play in the Motor City Bowl?