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RE: Game Week 1/3 Bowling Green and 1/7 CMU Men's Hoops
(01-08-2023 07:59 AM)Lester Wrote:  I saw in the box score that EMU had three assists in the game. Bates had zero. I know that the comeback win was exciting, but Eastern is still bad at the moment.

I wouldn't say any team is bad when in their last game they scored 44 points in the second-half, and their opponents scored but just 26-points.

I look at how a team last played, and if they did things very differently than they did in prior games that resulted in success, there's hope that the HC will repeat what they did going forward with the same result.
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(01-08-2023 12:44 AM)Miggy Wrote:  By EMU players tallying 44-points in the second-half last night while at the same time holding CMU to scoring but 26-points, the players provided their HC with a recipe' for winning going forward. Too bad it's only been employed when EMU trailing by a good margin.

As Heath was given a road map that he needs to follow by letting his players have fun, and that will result in seeing smiles on their faces again at the end of games.

It's time for Heath to adapt to his players skill-sets. As he needs to place the ball in Noah's hands throughout a game, and let him attack the hoop, shoot or dish off to others. Emoni needs to continue to do his thing.

On defense, he must turn all his very athletic players loose to pressure the ball both inside and outside so they can steal the ball at every opportunity. Billingsley had four steals alone last night. EMU garnered a whopping 10 steals in the second half. That's one steal every 2 minutes. EMU converted them into baskets at the hoop and shot 64 percent (11-17) on two's. When not scoring at the hoop, EMU players scored 13-points at the foul-line as they were repeatedly fouled.

EMU's tour de force so discombobulated and disoriented CMU that they shot but 37.5 percent on two's and scored but six 2-point baskets in the second-half. EMU's relentless pressure perimeter defense also held CMU to shooting jus 25 percent on three's and scoring just 2-three's in the second half.

EMU sent a message to other MAC teams-we're coming after you and not letting you run your plays nor get into a rhythm.

Heath has to throw out the window his modified zone defense that's been the worse in the nation and turn turn into the best as it was last night, letting his players dictate the game by creating chaos and mayhem on the court. They must now do so from the get-go while at the same time keeping his players fresh.

Neither he nor fans want to see a return to a boring low-energy bb game. If he lets the dogs out, fans will follow, and recruitment will explode exponentially.

Nothing else has worked. It's time to send a message to the MAC teams-EMU is coming after you. Go Owls!

Thanks. We need more expert commentary.

I appreciate when an analyst can say, "Team X dropped into a zone from man to man, and now they are in a box and one..."

Being able to tell me what don't recognize even though I'm watching what the analyst is.

Commentators need to see when schemes change and what works and what does not work.

I'll re-watch the 2nd half and see what I can learn. One caveat - I am not a hoops analyst. I'll miss alot.
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RE: Game Week 1/3 Bowling Green and 1/7 CMU Men's Hoops
(01-08-2023 07:59 AM)Lester Wrote:  I saw in the box score that EMU had three assists in the game. Bates had zero. I know that the comeback win was exciting, but Eastern is still bad at the moment.
Thanks for telling us what we already know. Yes our team has struggled, and yes they suck with assists. Did you expect different from a team comprised 100% of freshmen and sophs?

I've seen all those championship banners in the rafters of your arena but for some reason I've never seen them on my NCAA bracket in March.
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(01-07-2023 09:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-07-2023 07:05 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Millers injury really hurts CMU. Bass will be a good player in time but isn't isn't cut out to be a point guard. Several of our players had nice moments in the second half. My wife asked me why we seem to get off to a slow start in the first half. Don't have an explanation. We did the same thing in the U of D win.

Miller has not played since game 4- ie, wasn’t playing when CMU beat UM. But I think the bigger point is that Zarzuela also missed this game- who has been picking up the slack in Miller’s long absence. So while I welcome this win in many ways, I caution against getting too excited about it. EMU doesn’t have a second game with CMU, so we won’t get to see those two on the floor together.

Good catch on Zaruela missing in action. I completely missed that.
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(01-08-2023 09:59 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-07-2023 09:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-07-2023 07:05 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Millers injury really hurts CMU. Bass will be a good player in time but isn't isn't cut out to be a point guard. Several of our players had nice moments in the second half. My wife asked me why we seem to get off to a slow start in the first half. Don't have an explanation. We did the same thing in the U of D win.

Miller has not played since game 4- ie, wasn’t playing when CMU beat UM. But I think the bigger point is that Zarzuela also missed this game- who has been picking up the slack in Miller’s long absence. So while I welcome this win in many ways, I caution against getting too excited about it. EMU doesn’t have a second game with CMU, so we won’t get to see those two on the floor together.

Good catch on Zaruela missing in action. I completely missed that.

It is unfortunately a very significant asterisk on the win especially given Miller was already out. So I would caution making too much of this win. But also caution making too much of the Bowling Green loss. EMU shot 13.6% from 3 point in both games and were not much better from the 2, yet still came out it 0.500. Hopefully they weathered their shooting slump, and shots start dropping from here.
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(01-08-2023 08:38 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(01-08-2023 07:59 AM)Lester Wrote:  I saw in the box score that EMU had three assists in the game. Bates had zero. I know that the comeback win was exciting, but Eastern is still bad at the moment.

I wouldn't say any team is bad when in their last game they scored 44 points in the second-half, and their opponents scored but just 26-points.

I look at how a team last played, and if they did things very differently than they did in prior games that resulted in success, there's hope that the HC will repeat what they did going forward with the same result.

No need to discuss with this guy. Toledo has some good fans and some that are bad. The bad purposefully harass other fans all the time (or at least they do for EMU. Honestly, it makes me want to beat Toledo so much more than the other Michigan mid-majors who have much nicer fans). Lester is not actually making a point, just being a foul fan…
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(01-08-2023 12:44 AM)Miggy Wrote:  By EMU players tallying 44-points in the second-half last night while at the same time holding CMU to scoring but 26-points, the players provided their HC with a recipe' for winning going forward. Too bad it's only been employed when EMU trailing by a good margin.

On defense, he must turn all his very athletic players loose to pressure the ball both inside and outside so they can steal the ball at every opportunity. Billingsley had four steals alone last night. EMU garnered a whopping 10 steals in the second half. That's one steal every 2 minutes. EMU converted them into baskets at the hoop and shot 64 percent (11-17) on two's. When not scoring at the hoop, EMU players scored 13-points at the foul-line as they were repeatedly fouled.

EMU's tour de force so discombobulated and disoriented CMU that they shot but 37.5 percent on two's and scored but six 2-point baskets in the second-half. EMU's relentless pressure perimeter defense also held CMU to shooting jus 25 percent on three's and scoring just 2-three's in the second half.

EMU sent a message to other MAC teams-we're coming after you and not letting you run your plays nor get into a rhythm.

Heath has to throw out the window his modified zone defense that's been the worse in the nation and turn turn into the best as it was last night, letting his players dictate the game by creating chaos and mayhem on the court. They must now do so from the get-go while at the same time keeping his players fresh.

i am not the most competent of basketball fans, but I did not notice a difference in the defensive scheme in the first half vs the second half. Was it the case? Was it change during the game or before the game?
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(01-08-2023 11:34 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-08-2023 12:44 AM)Miggy Wrote:  By EMU players tallying 44-points in the second-half last night while at the same time holding CMU to scoring but 26-points, the players provided their HC with a recipe' for winning going forward. Too bad it's only been employed when EMU trailing by a good margin.

On defense, he must turn all his very athletic players loose to pressure the ball both inside and outside so they can steal the ball at every opportunity. Billingsley had four steals alone last night. EMU garnered a whopping 10 steals in the second half. That's one steal every 2 minutes. EMU converted them into baskets at the hoop and shot 64 percent (11-17) on two's. When not scoring at the hoop, EMU players scored 13-points at the foul-line as they were repeatedly fouled.

EMU's tour de force so discombobulated and disoriented CMU that they shot but 37.5 percent on two's and scored but six 2-point baskets in the second-half. EMU's relentless pressure perimeter defense also held CMU to shooting jus 25 percent on three's and scoring just 2-three's in the second half.

EMU sent a message to other MAC teams-we're coming after you and not letting you run your plays nor get into a rhythm.

Heath has to throw out the window his modified zone defense that's been the worse in the nation and turn turn into the best as it was last night, letting his players dictate the game by creating chaos and mayhem on the court. They must now do so from the get-go while at the same time keeping his players fresh.

i am not the most competent of basketball fans, but I did not notice a difference in the defensive scheme in the first half vs the second half. Was it the case? Was it change during the game or before the game?

EMU made 5-steals in the first half, 10-steals in the second half. EMU was attacking the basket in the second-half as EMU took more than 4-times as many foul-shots (21) than they did in the first-half (5).
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(01-08-2023 11:21 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-08-2023 09:59 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-07-2023 09:44 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-07-2023 07:05 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Millers injury really hurts CMU. Bass will be a good player in time but isn't isn't cut out to be a point guard. Several of our players had nice moments in the second half. My wife asked me why we seem to get off to a slow start in the first half. Don't have an explanation. We did the same thing in the U of D win.

Miller has not played since game 4- ie, wasn’t playing when CMU beat UM. But I think the bigger point is that Zarzuela also missed this game- who has been picking up the slack in Miller’s long absence. So while I welcome this win in many ways, I caution against getting too excited about it. EMU doesn’t have a second game with CMU, so we won’t get to see those two on the floor together.

Good catch on Zaruela missing in action. I completely missed that.

It is unfortunately a very significant asterisk on the win especially given Miller was already out. So I would caution making too much of this win. But also caution making too much of the Bowling Green loss. EMU shot 13.6% from 3 point in both games and were not much better from the 2, yet still came out it 0.500. Hopefully they weathered their shooting slump, and shots start dropping from here.


Ah Bowling Green beat a decent Ohio U team yesterday 88-79. They may be real this year.
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(01-08-2023 11:34 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(01-08-2023 12:44 AM)Miggy Wrote:  By EMU players tallying 44-points in the second-half last night while at the same time holding CMU to scoring but 26-points, the players provided their HC with a recipe' for winning going forward. Too bad it's only been employed when EMU trailing by a good margin.

On defense, he must turn all his very athletic players loose to pressure the ball both inside and outside so they can steal the ball at every opportunity. Billingsley had four steals alone last night. EMU garnered a whopping 10 steals in the second half. That's one steal every 2 minutes. EMU converted them into baskets at the hoop and shot 64 percent (11-17) on two's. When not scoring at the hoop, EMU players scored 13-points at the foul-line as they were repeatedly fouled.

EMU's tour de force so discombobulated and disoriented CMU that they shot but 37.5 percent on two's and scored but six 2-point baskets in the second-half. EMU's relentless pressure perimeter defense also held CMU to shooting jus 25 percent on three's and scoring just 2-three's in the second half.

EMU sent a message to other MAC teams-we're coming after you and not letting you run your plays nor get into a rhythm.

Heath has to throw out the window his modified zone defense that's been the worse in the nation and turn turn into the best as it was last night, letting his players dictate the game by creating chaos and mayhem on the court. They must now do so from the get-go while at the same time keeping his players fresh.

i am not the most competent of basketball fans, but I did not notice a difference in the defensive scheme in the first half vs the second half. Was it the case? Was it change during the game or before the game?

Ramy, what I saw what a whole lot of hustle and physical energy. We picked up a lot of quick fouls in the second half as a result, and I loved it. CMU was accustomed to being the physical team, we gave up offensive rebounds on CMU missed free throws in the first half, because of our passivity. Our strongest frontcourt player, Golson lost a rebound and was called for a foul on the putback. We got at least three bunnies rejected by CMU in the first half.

Then came the second half. We got the boards we should have. Our Bigs did not put up an interior shot immediately, instead they pump-faked and the went up strong. Bates went into the paint and used his 6'10" length as I expected him to do all season. The 3/4 court press was NOT a joke like it was vs BGSU. CMU imploded.

Schemes are great, especially if they get effort from the team like this one in the second half.
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I like a half l-court pressure defense with PG picking up the offensive PG as he crosses half court. Point is to always disrupt a team's plays. Heath needs to get team to do that as that's how bb should be played.
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I really like the pressure the team can put on the ball coming up the court when Lovejoy is in the game.
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(01-08-2023 08:21 PM)Miggy Wrote:  I like a half l-court pressure defense with PG picking up the offensive PG as he crosses half court. Point is to always disrupt a team's plays. Heath needs to get team to do that as that's how bb should be played.

I loved the overall team intensity on defense the second half. Part of the reason the pressure defense worked is that one Reggie Bass is not a good point guard and two he isxa true freshman. That being I hope we use the pressure defense the rest of the season. We have nothing to lose since our overall defense has been poor most the season
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(01-08-2023 09:05 PM)KPJ Wrote:  I really like the pressure the team can put on the ball coming up the court when Lovejoy is in the game.

I will second that! Lovejoy is not polished offensively but man he can play defense. I'm being facetious, but it as if the true freshman has not learned to play passive EMU defense just yet. He moves his feet, has active hands and most importantly is aggressive. He started the second half vs CMU and was very disruptive. One could surmise that his energy "started the fire". Ballard used to provide a similar spark around the basket, yet I wonder why he has not seen the floor this year.
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I agree with you all on the defensive pressure. Why let the opponent comfortably setup a half court set when we are really bad at defending the half court set. I think there is concensus here.

As for fouling, I lean towards Jerry’s thoughts rather than Miggy’s. Our frontcourt defense is bad, so why not risk a few fouls being a little more agressive. Our frontcourt is deep with 5 players sharing minutes of PF/C almost interchangeably. Foul trouble should be less of a concern than poorly contested layups.

I also agree with Jerry, I’d like to see more minutes for Lovejoy- he is not a liability on offense by any means, yet is a very disruptive to opponents both defensively and with rebounding (despite being short). Let’s give this kid more minutes.
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I feel we win tonight but lose on Friday.
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I agree with you all on the defensive pressure. Why let the opponent comfortably setup a half court set when we are really bad at defending the half court set. I think there is concensus here.

As for fouling, I lean towards Jerry’s thoughts rather than Miggy’s. Our frontcourt defense is bad, so why not risk a few fouls being a little more agressive. Our frontcourt is deep with 5 players sharing minutes of PF/C almost interchangeably. Foul trouble should be less of a concern than poorly contested layups.

I also agree with Jerry, I’d like to see more minutes for Lovejoy- he is not a liability on offense by any means, yet is a very disruptive to opponents both defensively and with rebounding (despite being short). Let’s give this kid more minutes.

Ramy: My apology for not adequately explaining what I meant about interior defenders not committing fouls. As interior defender can defend aggressively without fouling.

The choice for front court defenders are not between defending agressively and thus having to commit fouls.

As an inside shooter usually does one of two things. Takes a 6-10 football jumper or drives around his defender to the hoop and makes a lay -up.

I teach interior defenders that their primary duty is be ready for the offensive player driving around them and making a lay-up. To prevent
that to try to get defender to take a jump shot instead, I tell them to stand 2-feet back from opponent with weight back and forearm straight- up so the would-be shooter can't see the hoop.

The defender is in this position to force his opponent to take a jump shot. If he does so the defender goes straight up keep his forearm so the shooters eyes can't readily see the hoop. If the defender does this, the shooter will not likely make 45 percent of his jump shots as he doesn't see the hoop. Without seeing the hoop, the offensive player's brain( the key to making any shot) can't calculate distance nor exact flight path the ball must take to go in.

There should be no fouling on opponent's jump shot as the shooter can't see the hoop as the defender's forearm is covering the shooter's eyes.

The shooter will also be dissuaded from driving around the interior defender as they defender is playing off him 2-feet away with his weight back.

If the offensive player tries to go around him, the defender should move with him, staying between him and the hoop, and make him release ball 4 feet or so from hoop, with the defender keeping his hand 2-feet in front of the would-be shooter's eyes so he can't see the both the hoop's distance, and angle the ball needs to travel. Still no reason to foul as defender has forced offensive play take a low-percentage shot.

By standing between the shooter and basket with weight back and moving with offensive player, the offensive player will rarely release the ball near hoop for a lay-up, and the defender is in position to block or deflect pass away.

For me, all fouls are bad and unnecessary if defender are taught properly. I say that from experience working with a former Seton Hall player who cut his foul rate in half while vastly improving his defense.

I also don't believe in interior defensive players ever straying from the hoop, and especially not guarding offensive bigs when they set up in the high post. For me they can shoot to their hearts delight unless they're a deadly shooter from such distant.

EMU interior defenders do everything opposite of what I suggest above, as they have their weight going forward, and don't have forearm up. So bigs both hit jump shots, get fouled, and easily go around EMU defenders as their weight is forward, and this they make easy lay-ups.

For me, fouling is both costly and a sign of poor coaching. In the end, EMU can only hope that opponents don't know how to defend without fouling.
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