(10-02-2022 09:49 AM)2Buck Wrote:  They may be top statistically, and are def doing an amazing job, but they’re hardly the nation’s best defense. We’ve not faced a top offense and App punching in both first half fumbles shows they can struggle at times. Super excited at how young many of the players are, could develop into a monster D for years to come (if we don’t lose anymore to the portal!).

I was referring to ESPN's Efficiency Index. Has JMU rated as #1 defense based on performance, which lowers ratings based on lower strength of schedule. So to have the #1 defense there is outstanding.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

(09-27-2022 07:43 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:25 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 01:36 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 01:29 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I would looooooove to hear what some of the casual fans are saying right now who acted like going FBS was a bad move because we aren't going to win much now. Still a long way to go obviously but man, on cloud 9 right meow. Can't imagine if you told me a year ago today that in a year we'd be in a conference with the teams we're with and we'd be 3-0 and receiving votes with a blowout win over MTSU and a W at App State

I would have never guessed JMU would have this kind of success this early. It's still early, but Ive seen enough to be shocked and very impressed. Team is full of good athletes and talent.

I think most jmu fans are not surprised, and many FCS fans are not really either. If you ask ndsu, sdsu, montana, Villanova, montana state, etc, fans. I doubt they’d be surprised at how we’ve started.

FCS fans will watch FCS games but also watch FBS games on a regular basis.

But I doubt ANY fbs fans are watching much, if any, fcs games. I know I have watched zero minutes of fcs ball this year.

So it’s easier as an FCS fan to compare by watching and see with their own eyes that there is not much difference in the top of FCS and 50% or more of FBS. Once you get outside those elite players, the top 10-15% that go to the heavyweights, the next 60-70% gets spread out among everyone else and there aren’t much differences between the talent.

In comes down to coaching, chemistry, execution and a little bit of luck.

Careful, you're gonna get Soft Houston and Jackson State all excited.

Sorry, but I don't think your comments apply to 99% of fcs teams. There's a reason why fcs vs fbs wins are still relatively rare. Around 5 or 6 this year out of over 100 matchups, and most of those wins came against weak FBS teams.

While I understand the argument, there's been a huge gap between NDSU/JMU and the rest of fcs for a while. We've been playing at a FBS level for years, it just wasn't obvious to everyone else until now. 33-5, with 3 of those losses to WVU/NDSU the past few years should make it obvious JMU is more of a Unicorn than the general rule for FCS transitioning teams. We effectively only had 2 losses to "fcs level" teams in 3 years.

i said the "top of fcs"

of course the bottom of fcs can't compete.

but the same could be said for the very top of FBS and everyone else in FBS.

as good as we are and have looked, we'd probably get rolled over by Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State. There's no shame in that. they are better than us by a mile.

You may be surprised how much you can hang with the top teams...especially if you keep winning. Winning will bring better recruits especially on the depth chart. Georgia Southern gave Georgia all they wanted a couple of years ago. You guys would hang and a good chance to beat UofVirginia this year. The biggest difference I have seen for App between FCS and FBS is our depth...It is nice going into the fourth quarter with ECU with plays that are not gassed as in the past.

(10-04-2022 08:55 AM)AppState92 Wrote:  

(09-27-2022 07:43 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:25 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 01:36 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  I would have never guessed JMU would have this kind of success this early. It's still early, but Ive seen enough to be shocked and very impressed. Team is full of good athletes and talent.

I think most jmu fans are not surprised, and many FCS fans are not really either. If you ask ndsu, sdsu, montana, Villanova, montana state, etc, fans. I doubt they’d be surprised at how we’ve started.

FCS fans will watch FCS games but also watch FBS games on a regular basis.

But I doubt ANY fbs fans are watching much, if any, fcs games. I know I have watched zero minutes of fcs ball this year.

So it’s easier as an FCS fan to compare by watching and see with their own eyes that there is not much difference in the top of FCS and 50% or more of FBS. Once you get outside those elite players, the top 10-15% that go to the heavyweights, the next 60-70% gets spread out among everyone else and there aren’t much differences between the talent.

In comes down to coaching, chemistry, execution and a little bit of luck.

Careful, you're gonna get Soft Houston and Jackson State all excited.

Sorry, but I don't think your comments apply to 99% of fcs teams. There's a reason why fcs vs fbs wins are still relatively rare. Around 5 or 6 this year out of over 100 matchups, and most of those wins came against weak FBS teams.

While I understand the argument, there's been a huge gap between NDSU/JMU and the rest of fcs for a while. We've been playing at a FBS level for years, it just wasn't obvious to everyone else until now. 33-5, with 3 of those losses to WVU/NDSU the past few years should make it obvious JMU is more of a Unicorn than the general rule for FCS transitioning teams. We effectively only had 2 losses to "fcs level" teams in 3 years.

i said the "top of fcs"

of course the bottom of fcs can't compete.

but the same could be said for the very top of FBS and everyone else in FBS.

as good as we are and have looked, we'd probably get rolled over by Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State. There's no shame in that. they are better than us by a mile.

You may be surprised how much you can hang with the top teams...especially if you keep winning. Winning will bring better recruits especially on the depth chart. Georgia Southern gave Georgia all they wanted a couple of years ago. You guys would hang and a good chance to beat UofVirginia this year. The biggest difference I have seen for App between FCS and FBS is our depth...It is nice going into the fourth quarter with ECU with plays that are not gassed as in the past.

We fully expect to beat the College of Thomas Jefferson next year.
Massey ratings have them at 82, we are ranked at 44 thus far.

That game might even turn into a home environment for us, they have lots of empty seats, and we will have a large contingent there.

(10-04-2022 07:17 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 12:33 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:12 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:04 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  And up to #23 in robsrankings.com

Looks like he is ahead of the curve in football too!

As much as I'd love JMU to be ranked, it would piss me off if this is right and Liberty somehow slides in front of us for beating ODU and Akron ... come on.

You beat us and we were right outside of the Top 25 (probably would have been ranked if we didn't lose to JMU). That gives you a lot more clout than taking out the likes of Akron.

You run the table, you'll crack the top 25, worst case scenario your final regular season game against Coastal (if they can run the table) will probably be for a top 25 slot.

I'm just warning you now, get used to hearing Cignetti's name getting brought up into conversations whenever those P5's start firing people. Success comes with a price, just ask App, Coastal and Louisiana.

No no no…their coach is “different.” Money won’t sway him.

I don't think anyone thinks that. His age is likely the thing that will keep him from getting a P5 job. He'll be 62 before the next season. Outside of Brian Kelly, no one over 60 was hired into a P5 job last year. And hiring Kelly isn't the same as hiring a G5 coach.

(10-04-2022 07:17 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 12:33 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:12 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:04 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  And up to #23 in robsrankings.com

Looks like he is ahead of the curve in football too!

As much as I'd love JMU to be ranked, it would piss me off if this is right and Liberty somehow slides in front of us for beating ODU and Akron ... come on.

You beat us and we were right outside of the Top 25 (probably would have been ranked if we didn't lose to JMU). That gives you a lot more clout than taking out the likes of Akron.

You run the table, you'll crack the top 25, worst case scenario your final regular season game against Coastal (if they can run the table) will probably be for a top 25 slot.

I'm just warning you now, get used to hearing Cignetti's name getting brought up into conversations whenever those P5's start firing people. Success comes with a price, just ask App, Coastal and Louisiana.

No no no…their coach is “different.” Money won’t sway him.

There are like two JMU fans that think this.

(10-04-2022 07:17 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 12:33 AM)hotrod2001 Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:12 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2022 10:04 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  And up to #23 in robsrankings.com

Looks like he is ahead of the curve in football too!

As much as I'd love JMU to be ranked, it would piss me off if this is right and Liberty somehow slides in front of us for beating ODU and Akron ... come on.

You beat us and we were right outside of the Top 25 (probably would have been ranked if we didn't lose to JMU). That gives you a lot more clout than taking out the likes of Akron.

You run the table, you'll crack the top 25, worst case scenario your final regular season game against Coastal (if they can run the table) will probably be for a top 25 slot.

I'm just warning you now, get used to hearing Cignetti's name getting brought up into conversations whenever those P5's start firing people. Success comes with a price, just ask App, Coastal and Louisiana.

No no no…their coach is “different.” Money won’t sway him.

Right, and Drinkwitz said App was a destination...a destination he couldn't even stick around an entire season to enjoy.

I am superstitious...things are going too well...everybody stop

Cignetti does not match the stereotypical profile of a guy who bolts for the next higher paying job at the drop of a hat. That said, he did leave the many charms of Elon, NC, after just two years in his late 50s.

But the dude’s different. He was on Saban’s staff for four years and left to do a five year stint as HC at IUP, where his dad has coached. Leaving Bama to put in a half-decade in football purgatory is unique.

(10-04-2022 05:01 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  Cignetti does not match the stereotypical profile of a guy who bolts for the next higher paying job at the drop of a hat. That said, he did leave the many charms of Elon, NC, after just two years in his late 50s.

But the dude’s different. He was on Saban’s staff for four years and left to do a five year stint as HC at IUP, where his dad has coached. Leaving Bama to put in a half-decade in football purgatory is unique.

I see that as a guy who's extremely ambitious and it makes me think he's more likely to take the next step, not less likely. He bet on himself to climb the ranks as a HC, that would make me think he wants to climb as high as he can. His age could work in our favor though... Of course it could also make him get to the point he goes "I'm only coaching 5 more years anyway, time to cash out and get $20 million out of it."

The night isn't over, but our games are over and the night winding down so results of AP #15 and below down to Coastal's 17 votes:

#15 Wake Forest: 45-10 W vs Army
#16 BYU: 28-20 L at Notre Dame
#17 TCU: 38-31 W at #19 Kansas
#18 UCLA: 42-32 W vs #11 Utah
#19 Kansas: 38-31 L vs #17 TCU
#20 Kansas State: 10-9 W at Iowa State
#21 Washington: 45-38 L at Arizona State
#22 Syracuse: Bye
#23 Mississippi State: 40-17 W vs Arkansas
#24 Cincinnati: 28-24 W vs USF
#25 LSU: 40-13 L vs Tennessee

RB(91) Washington State: Trails #6 USC 30-14 4Q 2:08
RV(88) Baylor: Bye
RV(78) Florida State: Trails #14 NC State 19-17 4Q 6:33
RV(76) Arkansas: 40-17 L at Mississippi State
RV(39) JMU: 42-20 W at Arkansas State
RV(37) Florida: 24-17 W vs Missouri
RV(25) Maryland: 31-29 L vs RV(2) Purdue
RV(17) Coastal Carolina: 28-21 W at ULM

Very possible JMU cracks the top 25 this week, especially if NC State holds on. Coastal will be creeping closer.

NC State winninnnn!!

(10-04-2022 09:36 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-04-2022 08:55 AM)AppState92 Wrote:  

(09-27-2022 07:43 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 06:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 05:25 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I think most jmu fans are not surprised, and many FCS fans are not really either. If you ask ndsu, sdsu, montana, Villanova, montana state, etc, fans. I doubt they’d be surprised at how we’ve started.

FCS fans will watch FCS games but also watch FBS games on a regular basis.

But I doubt ANY fbs fans are watching much, if any, fcs games. I know I have watched zero minutes of fcs ball this year.

So it’s easier as an FCS fan to compare by watching and see with their own eyes that there is not much difference in the top of FCS and 50% or more of FBS. Once you get outside those elite players, the top 10-15% that go to the heavyweights, the next 60-70% gets spread out among everyone else and there aren’t much differences between the talent.

In comes down to coaching, chemistry, execution and a little bit of luck.

Careful, you're gonna get Soft Houston and Jackson State all excited.

Sorry, but I don't think your comments apply to 99% of fcs teams. There's a reason why fcs vs fbs wins are still relatively rare. Around 5 or 6 this year out of over 100 matchups, and most of those wins came against weak FBS teams.

While I understand the argument, there's been a huge gap between NDSU/JMU and the rest of fcs for a while. We've been playing at a FBS level for years, it just wasn't obvious to everyone else until now. 33-5, with 3 of those losses to WVU/NDSU the past few years should make it obvious JMU is more of a Unicorn than the general rule for FCS transitioning teams. We effectively only had 2 losses to "fcs level" teams in 3 years.

i said the "top of fcs"

of course the bottom of fcs can't compete.

but the same could be said for the very top of FBS and everyone else in FBS.

as good as we are and have looked, we'd probably get rolled over by Georgia/Alabama/Ohio State. There's no shame in that. they are better than us by a mile.

You may be surprised how much you can hang with the top teams...especially if you keep winning. Winning will bring better recruits especially on the depth chart. Georgia Southern gave Georgia all they wanted a couple of years ago. You guys would hang and a good chance to beat UofVirginia this year. The biggest difference I have seen for App between FCS and FBS is our depth...It is nice going into the fourth quarter with ECU with plays that are not gassed as in the past.

We fully expect to beat the College of Thomas Jefferson next year.
Massey ratings have them at 82, we are ranked at 44 thus far.

That game might even turn into a home environment for us, they have lots of empty seats, and we will have a large contingent there.

UVA's Scott stadium will turn purple for a Saturday next season and that should be embarrassing to anybody wearing UVA gear

CBS is on board

25. James Madison (NR): The Dukes may be ineligible for a conference title or a bowl game, but there's nothing preventing them from cracking the top 25 after improving to 5-0 with a 22-point win at Arkansas State. The dramatic comeback win at Appalachian State is the only single-digit margin on the profile as JMU has been one of the most dominant down-to-down teams in the country this year.