(12-02-2022 11:56 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 10:58 AM)Tmac13 Wrote:  I keep seeing people lament over FCS callups, but of those schools that have made the jump in the last 10 years, most have been ok.. GS, GSU, App, Coastal, UTSA, Liberty etc.
Have all done some good things..About the only bad jumps recently have been Charlotte, maybe Texas St, but they are improving..

The door doesn't need to be bolted shut. It just needs to have a latch in the form of some tangible and enforced criteria. You can't just let anybody and their cousin show up and claim free money without putting in the work in some way, shape, or form.

If a school has the resources and wants to waste a metric sh*t ton of money building facilities and funding salaries in pursuit of a mirage, that's their own choice and more power to them. Once you've demonstrated your commitment and ability to back it up, come on in. Whether you suck or not is your own business.

Now, though, we're getting to the point where schools with $11 million athletic budgets and junior college-level stadiums are entering the discussion. Hell to the no on that crap. That's a slap in the face to everybody who put in the effort to grow beyond that and be able to call themselves FBS.

I don't think it's fair to put a cap on FCS teams moving up. There are plenty of schools that have been successful.
Future schools shouldn't be punished for a prior school's futility. For those that don't know much about FCS, there are some programs that should move up and deserve to move up.
I do think something needs to be done regarding the criteria that should be/needs to be met. I only know of one school that moved up that moved back down: Idaho. And it appears that it was a good move back for them as they went from the bottom of FBS to an FCS playoff team in a few years.
The problem is some schools moving up that shouldn't be (Sam Houston and Kennesaw State mainly). They are putting the cart before the horse and don't have the infrastructure to make the move successful. They made their move out of fear: FOMO (fear of missing out). Moves made out of fear never go well.
The problem is the reward outweighs the risk for these schools. Look at UMass. They were a very good FCS team and are now a perennial bottom 10 FBS team. Fan support is lower than it ever was and they don't appear to be that concerned about it. The money they get for being FBS is probably outweighing the success they had as a relevant FCS team.

(12-02-2022 10:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:01 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  While we're doing this structural rebuild of football, can we PLEASE get a cap put on the FCS move ups?

CUSA is going to continue the dilution of the FBS in the coming years. There will continue to be schools in Division II and FCS who want to join in on the fun, yet have no business joining in based on their support, facilities, etc.

The schools that keep moving up will only make all of us have to split more of our small share of CFP revenue that we already get, and will make access to the CFP even more difficult... similar to how it's already difficult for most of the 350 members of Division 1 to make it into the 68-team March Madness.

I believe that there has been some talk on making it harder to schools to reclassify up, but whether or not the NCAA will action take action on it remains to be seen.

My biggest problem is that CUSA, barely a knight themselves in the football world, is making more and more knights and no one is telling them to stop. What i'd like to see is potential schools being voted on by the entire FBS in chambers or whatever when they meet. A majority should have to approve them based on real criteria. Then CUSA can say "We'll take them." Not just call them up unilaterally. The schools that don't make the cut can be given clear instructions as to why not and, given time, they can fix the issues holding them back and reapply. Say in 3 years. This way schools are more likely to have their **** together prior to applying for FBS.

CUSA should not be in charge of the FBS lottery. It's a conflict of interest since going forward they will likely be the only conference taking them.

(12-02-2022 02:21 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 10:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:01 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  While we're doing this structural rebuild of football, can we PLEASE get a cap put on the FCS move ups?

CUSA is going to continue the dilution of the FBS in the coming years. There will continue to be schools in Division II and FCS who want to join in on the fun, yet have no business joining in based on their support, facilities, etc.

The schools that keep moving up will only make all of us have to split more of our small share of CFP revenue that we already get, and will make access to the CFP even more difficult... similar to how it's already difficult for most of the 350 members of Division 1 to make it into the 68-team March Madness.

I believe that there has been some talk on making it harder to schools to reclassify up, but whether or not the NCAA will action take action on it remains to be seen.

My biggest problem is that CUSA, barely a knight themselves in the football world, is making more and more knights and no one is telling them to stop. What i'd like to see is potential schools being voted on by the entire FBS in chambers or whatever when they meet. A majority should have to approve them based on real criteria. Then CUSA can say "We'll take them." Not just call them up unilaterally. The schools that don't make the cut can be given clear instructions as to why not and, given time, they can fix the issues holding them back and reapply. Say in 3 years. This way schools are more likely to have their **** together prior to applying for FBS.

CUSA should not be in charge of the FBS lottery. It's a conflict of interest since going forward they will likely be the only conference taking them.

I'd almost say that if a conference is reduced to a certain amount then that should kick in some kind of vote. That's probably not actually feasible in practice though since conferences could then look to make moves out of a desire to kill another conference... But when CUSA was reduced to MTSU, WKU, LT, UTEP, and FIU all this was really kind of inevitable if that was the end of their losses. Even if MTSU and WKU had gone to the MAC, would the remaining three not just do the same thing but bringing two more unworthy FCS schools from the south?

I don't know, doesn't seem like there's any perfect solution or anything close to it. In order to get every team that deserves to be FBS in and everyone that doesn't out then you'd pretty much have to force some conferences to take on teams they'd rather not have and I'm sure something like that would really end well lol

When AState moved up we dinked around for a decade awarding I-AA levels or less in scholarships. Most of us who were I-A before 2000 or so had seasons with less than 5 home games.

Someone is willing to move up fund 16 sports, award 200 scholarships, play five home games (should at least be 11 on a two year rolling basis since season expanded to 12) then more power to them.

The whole philosophy of the divisional structure is membership is an institutional decision based on how much aid they want to award.

Back in the 1970's there were around 180 playing Division I football and it worked fine.

If the powers don't want schools drifting up, the simplest, smartest solution is skim more of that CFP money and pump it into FCS so it's a hard decision to move up.

I would rather dump FBS and FCS and just have Division 1.

(12-02-2022 09:46 AM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:01 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  While we're doing this structural rebuild of football, can we PLEASE get a cap put on the FCS move ups?

CUSA is going to continue the dilution of the FBS in the coming years. There will continue to be schools in Division II and FCS who want to join in on the fun, yet have no business joining in based on their support, facilities, etc.

Can you blame a conference for attempting to survive within the rules established when more than half of the teams leave? The SBC was in a similar place ~10 years ago. At that time did you believe a cap on FCS move ups should have been in place to prevent the "dilution of FBS?"

You had a chance to join the MAC and kill off CUSA. You chose this situation, MTSU dug this hole.

#sorrynotsorry

(12-02-2022 02:21 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 10:24 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2022 08:01 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  While we're doing this structural rebuild of football, can we PLEASE get a cap put on the FCS move ups?

CUSA is going to continue the dilution of the FBS in the coming years. There will continue to be schools in Division II and FCS who want to join in on the fun, yet have no business joining in based on their support, facilities, etc.

The schools that keep moving up will only make all of us have to split more of our small share of CFP revenue that we already get, and will make access to the CFP even more difficult... similar to how it's already difficult for most of the 350 members of Division 1 to make it into the 68-team March Madness.

I believe that there has been some talk on making it harder to schools to reclassify up, but whether or not the NCAA will action take action on it remains to be seen.

My biggest problem is that CUSA, barely a knight themselves in the football world, is making more and more knights and no one is telling them to stop. What i'd like to see is potential schools being voted on by the entire FBS in chambers or whatever when they meet. A majority should have to approve them based on real criteria. Then CUSA can say "We'll take them." Not just call them up unilaterally. The schools that don't make the cut can be given clear instructions as to why not and, given time, they can fix the issues holding them back and reapply. Say in 3 years. This way schools are more likely to have their **** together prior to applying for FBS.

CUSA should not be in charge of the FBS lottery. It's a conflict of interest since going forward they will likely be the only conference taking them.

CUSA has anointed themselves as the Gatekeepers to FBS. All the while screwing over the rest of us (yet again).

I don't think having more FBS schools will make the rest of the mid majors look that bad If anything it will create another tier of fbs schools. MWC, AAC and Sunbelt are already distancing themselves in football compared to CUSA or even MAC.