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ESPN would help a lot assuming UAB attempts to schedule.

But ESPN it's not the reason behind UAB scheduling or not scheduling P5 programs. If you just want to disagree with me then so be it.

But myself and others have giving you examples of other G5 schools being able to do this as well as UAB having these programs come to Legion Field as recent as 2011. And those P5 games played at dumpy LF against UAB were aired by ESPN.

So feel free to give the final word on this topic and Happy Labor Day!

First, I agreed with you. I think I said so 1,2 and now 3 times. I will further agree with you that it was an administrative decision not to try very hard but I also don’t think they would have been successful if they did. UAB stopped attempting to schedule p5s at Legion when Watson brown departed as AD. the Mississippi state contract was signed by him in the early 2000s. I think we all know why.

But the other factors remain. If UAB has been trying, it would have been difficult to do so by then and it would remain difficult unless the p5 school has a compelling reason to want to come to Bham. That will be easier in Protective and in the AAC with the game guantanteed on ESPN. Now, will UAB try? I doubt it unless attendance improves.

(09-05-2022 07:34 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  First, I agreed with you. I think I said so 1,2 and now 3 times. I will further agree with you that it was an administrative decision not to try very hard but I also don’t think they would have been successful if they did. UAB stopped attempting to schedule p5s at Legion when Watson brown departed as AD. the Mississippi state contract was signed by him in the early 2000s. I think we all know why.

But the other factors remain. If UAB has been trying, it would have been difficult to do so by then and it would remain difficult unless the p5 school has a compelling reason to want to come to Bham. That will be easier in Protective and in the AAC with the game guantanteed on ESPN. Now, will UAB try? I doubt it unless attendance improves.

I'm happy every time we cross the 30k threshold. So to me that should be the aim for scheduling opponents ("Is the potential opponent known in the Bham market?") The people that sit next me at protective are A&M grads but are season ticket holders as well. No more Liberty's or Ball States if we can help it. I'd rather lower profile schools that name still resonate in the market.

UAB schedules to Ingram's scheduling philosophy. Simple as that. Word is, he has had plenty of opportunities for home and home and 2-for-1 with attractive options.He doesn't believe in that. Wants to keep those games for the road to make money. Sucks for the fan.

That’s stupid if true. Doesn’t he want to build the home crowds and Fanbase by playing teams that are actually interesting to the Birmingham community? Also, it’s counter productive, no matter how much money we make, to take an embarrassing ass kicking every year on national tv (this year may be different based on how inept LSU looked, but I will believe we will play a good game against an SEC team at their stadium when I see it.)

I remember when UCF opened up their new stadium and got Texas as an opponent and they were in CUSA at the time. Conference affiliation and stadium is not a barrier to getting a P5 team to play you at your place. You may have to do a 2 for 1 but it's achievable.

(09-06-2022 09:01 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I remember when UCF opened up their new stadium and got Texas as an opponent and they were in CUSA at the time. Conference affiliation and stadium is not a barrier to getting a P5 team to play you at your place. You may have to do a 2 for 1 but it's achievable.

I’m all for 2 for 1s. That’s how ODU got Va Tech and beat them at home the first time. And now it’s going to be regularly series for them.
2 for 1 against MS State or Vandy or even a random ACC team like Wake Forest would be great for recruitment and attendance - and better matchups than your typical blue bloods we’ve been playing.

(09-06-2022 09:01 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I remember when UCF opened up their new stadium and got Texas as an opponent and they were in CUSA at the time. Conference affiliation and stadium is not a barrier to getting a P5 team to play you at your place. You may have to do a 2 for 1 but it's achievable.

CUSA had an espn contract at the time, not CBS Sports Network, and Texas wanted to play in Florida in the new stadium. It is a barrier unless there are self-interested reasons in the other side. No P5 is playing anywhere without self-interested reasons. They don’t have to.

(09-06-2022 09:32 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 09:01 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  I remember when UCF opened up their new stadium and got Texas as an opponent and they were in CUSA at the time. Conference affiliation and stadium is not a barrier to getting a P5 team to play you at your place. You may have to do a 2 for 1 but it's achievable.

CUSA had an espn contract at the time, not CBS Sports Network, and Texas wanted to play in Florida in the new stadium. It is a barrier unless there are self-interested reasons in the other side. No P5 is playing anywhere without self-interested reasons. They don’t have to.

Playing in the top college football tv market and in the SEC backyard is enough self-interested reasons. If UAB wanted to get a P5 team to open up Protective or any other date it would not have been a problem. Stop blaming network and conference affiliation for this not happening.

I am not blaming them. I am looking at the total picture of the last two decades. There is zero reason it couldn’t be happening now if the right conversations took place.

You say UAB has scheduled p5 before at Legion. Sure. But not by any AD with a name other than Watson Brown. Not after C-USA left ESPN. Not after the BoT began preparing for shutdown. Could it have been done? Sure, with some creative effort. Still wouldn’t be easy.

It should be easier now. But you still have to try.

Seems like the number one issue is the administration doesn't want to try to schedule those games, for whatever stupid, backwards reason...

There are way too many examples of P5 teams playing at G5 stadiums for me to believe otherwise. I'm sure the conference affiliation, tv deal, etc, doesn't help, but there's no doubt in my mind it could've happened if we wanted it to happen. Seems like there's some real doofuses at UAB doing both the basketball and the football scheduling..

Yes you have to try. You have to work relationships and find those self-interested reasons for the p5 to want to come to your stadium.

Other schools getting those deals, and there are a few to be sure, didn’t just pull them out of a hat. Almost everyone one of them, the p5 had at least one very specific reason for giving up a home game and a strategic reason for the location they did it.

Legion field and network definitely didn’t help, agree it could have happened anyway. Definitely should be possible with protective and espn in place. But doesn’t seem to be a priority based on what is scheduled thus far.

(09-06-2022 10:09 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Seems like the number one issue is the administration doesn't want to try to schedule those games, for whatever stupid, backwards reason...

There are way too many examples of P5 teams playing at G5 stadiums for me to believe otherwise. I'm sure the conference affiliation, tv deal, etc, doesn't help, but there's no doubt in my mind it could've happened if we wanted it to happen. Seems like there's some real doofuses at UAB doing both the basketball and the football scheduling..

I was about to say we play South Carolina at Bartow this season. When was the last time we had a P5 team play at Bartow? WVU and Auburn were all at BJCC which does not count - that's a neutral location.

LSU in like 2017?

(09-06-2022 10:36 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  LSU in like 2017?

2014. I remember it well, because I closed on my house the day of that game.

We played LSU at Bartow? I definitely do not remember that..

Here is the box score: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../400591403

This game would have been scheduled by Mackin, I think. It was a home and home.

(09-06-2022 11:15 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Here is the box score: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../400591403

This game would have been scheduled by Mackin, I think. It was a home and home.

Wow, I just completely forgot about that one..

That was a solid team. We should've been so much more the following season. Haase was a mediocre coach at best IMO. Ehsan was dreadful. I cannot believe Haase still has a job at Stanford. They've obviously decided to settle for mediocrity with their basketball program.

(09-06-2022 10:33 AM)blazerblazer Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 10:09 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Seems like the number one issue is the administration doesn't want to try to schedule those games, for whatever stupid, backwards reason...

There are way too many examples of P5 teams playing at G5 stadiums for me to believe otherwise. I'm sure the conference affiliation, tv deal, etc, doesn't help, but there's no doubt in my mind it could've happened if we wanted it to happen. Seems like there's some real doofuses at UAB doing both the basketball and the football scheduling..

I was about to say we play South Carolina at Bartow this season. When was the last time we had a P5 team play at Bartow? WVU and Auburn were all at BJCC which does not count - that's a neutral location.

Technically those are home games in the eyes of the NCAA. Anytime we play an out of market team within the Birmingham-Hoover Metro market is deemed a home game.

There is no P5 in basketball and those classified as High Majors depends upon who is asked.

Here are those non-conference games played at Bartow/UAB Arena from those I consider high major. (16-8 on the court results):

12/3/88 - Vanderbilt (76-69) SEC
12/5/89 - Oregon (79-69) P10/12
1/27/90 - Arkansas (95-109) SWC
3/22/90 - Clemson (65-64) ACC- NIT
11/30/90 - Auburn (71-65) SEC
12/14/91 - Minnesota (86-80) B10
12/9/92 - Mississippi State (73-68) SEC
2/9/93 - Auburn (74-86) SEC
11/30/94 - Auburn (54-60) later forfeited SEC
11/22/96 - Auburn (64-57) SEC
12/9/97 - Vanderbilt (74-85) SEC
1/2/03 - Mississippi State (52-68) SEC
12/2/04 - Nebraska (80-66) BXII
12/28/05- Oklahoma State (90-71) BXII
12/5/06 - Minnesota (88-81) B10
12/9/06 - DePaul (58-57) BEAST
12/1/07 - Cincinnati (64-50) BEAST
11/21/09 - Georgia (72-56) SEC
12/16/09 - Cincinnati (64-47) BEAST
3/20/10 - NC State (72-52) ACC - NIT
3/23/10 - North Carolina (55-60) ACC - NIT
12/1/13 - North Carolina (63-59) ACC
12/18/14 - LSU (70-79) SEC
12/3/16 - Auburn (70-74) SEC