(09-05-2022 02:36 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 02:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 01:50 PM)TealNation Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 01:38 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-05-2022 12:13 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Any snobby school that blocked us from the SoCon and CAA did us a favor. What a joke that would've been. Let's not kid ourselves.

As for JMU's win, it was a good one. JMU won't be affected by traditional FCS transitional recruiting rules, nor are they coming in nearly as dysfunctional as Coastal did. To compare the two is pointless.

They'll play better FBS programs but that was certainly a great opening statement. Can't be mad at a dominating blowout win.

Curious about what is “dysfunctional” about JMU’s move-up to FBS and SBC competition.

Perhaps JMU’s stadium, attendance, budget, coaching and level of talent concerns CC followers.

What? I :rock:said Coastal came in dysfunctional.

I have ZERO issues with JMU. Coastal has played and beaten schools with all JMU has and more. More depth to the league is a good thing. Just business as usual.

Sorry, but that’s not what you said. You first implied a relational comparison…”nearly as dysfunctional”…that means the subject of your statement (JMU) is dysfunctional (at least to some degree), just not as dysfunctional as CC when it made its transition to FBS.

So, in your follow up post, you didn’t answer my original question. You state you have “ZERO issues” with JMU, but does that mean JMU has “zero” dysfunctional aspects to it move to FBS. I’m simply curious in divining your true thoughts.

As for “business as usual” CC will get to show JMU what your 2022 team is made of in Harrisonburg on 11/26. Let’s hope the weather is kind.

You are looking WAY too deep into things.

I personally don't know enough about JMU's internal complications to even begin to describe any issues.

To clear up your confusion, I was solely speaking on Coastal's dysfunctions and differences in recruiting/transfer rules in relation to any transitional comparisons between the two.

Fair enough.

Thanks for making that point clear, and that you really don’t know (or suspect) something that complicates JMU’s move-up.

I’m fairly close to the inner workings at JMU, and the only “complications” I see from JMU’s side isn’t “internal”…it’s one of outsized expectations among some of our super-fans. Success breeds success, and ambitions are generally a good thing, but they can also let loose a rising-tide of expectations that are often not tethered to reality (like building out JMU’s stadium to the tune of another $60-85 million in the next 3-5 years), or scheduling multiple P5s at our stadium in the same season.

Otherwise, the challenges (not complications) faced by JMU FB are ramping up its recruiting staff (which is well underway), and dealing with NIL issues. Basically, the same challenges faced by most G5 programs.

Longhorn,

First, you win the grammar/reading comprehension gold star!! Seriously! “Relational comparison”! And, you’re 100% right. Worded as it was, you’re 100% right. Very nice… not being a smart-ass.

But, as I think you’ve ascertained by now, that was indeed not the intent. The intent truly was just to state that Coastal was dysfunctional. Good of you to take the time to inquire before coming guns-a-blazing… quite refreshing around here…

Thought you might like to actually know why such a statement was made? I mean we’ve all got to see JMU’s story coming aboard. Not sure you had that chance, nor really cared to, a few years back when Coastal did.


First, we weren’t anywhere near as ready. Y’all have a much bigger stadium before any completing/renovating to be done, than we have now that we’ve done that. Y’all have an incredible, passionate, multi-generation fan base, we still don’t (20 years of football doesn’t allow for that yet). Y’all got $$… we have to fight tooth and nail against the State (led by Clemson/USC legislators who don’t exactly want another mouth to feed) for every dollar we get, including how to spend the ones we have. Y’all have a history of relevance, and while we blew up quickly under Moglia, we really only had 2 years of FCS top-notch anything… let’s be honest, our willingness to grow football was only part of our appeal, large parts were the recent success of baseball and hoops too. Y’all have great continuity with your football coaching staff. We were going through a transition from Moglia to Chadwell, one that saw high numbers of players defect due to the culture shift. Y’all went straight to 85 schollies, and actually had 85 worthy guys sitting around to give them too. We had to follow pre-realignment “ramp up” scholly protocols, weren’t even full up to start with (see coach change losses), and had too many guys in/outside the two-deep that really weren’t FBS material.

Might sound like whining, it’s not. Just took us a good while to start to get past that “dysfunction”. We’re starting to realize being better equipped. The point was, we all know it won’t take y’all anytime at all to reach the same place, just like it didn’t take App St or GS any time. Your situation is far more similar to theirs than ours.

And… don’t let these other petty fans fool you into thinking we hate you for it… jealous, sure! Also, as was said, the idea we’d hold a grudge for us trying to get into SoCon or whatever is full bologna… it’s the best thing to never have happened to us. If it had… there’s no doubt we’d have been way behind y’all in pecking order at the moment we got called up. I mean, some of still think we only got it because y’all weren’t truly interested the first time around.

Anyway, good luck, except against us… I hope you do beat some SBC behinds this year.

Well explained MOTIAW. I would +2 Longhorn but JMU fans seem to really like 69...

(09-05-2022 11:20 PM)TealNation Wrote:  Well explained MOTIAW. I would +2 Longhorn but JMU fans seem to really like 69...

Yeah I need some damn negatives

(09-03-2022 11:10 PM)hburg Wrote:  Interested to hear your thoughts.

For me, the east is everything we thought it would be and could propel the Sun Belt to the NY6.

The west took care of business and lost to the teams that were expected.

The best games to watch were ODU vs VT and App vs UNC.

The most impressive win is JMU over MTSU.

Overall great week for the Sun Belt. I think the conference really turned heads this week.

I think your assessment is spot on. And it think its starting to become clear to everyone that this new Sun Belt configuration is now the top G5 conference in America. Having that status will go a long way into consideration for 2026 when playoffs begin.

JMU's total dismantling of MTSU is a strong indicator of how strong this conference is compared to some other G5 conferences.

ODU taking down VA Tech shows that ODU has picked up where it left off and continues to get better. Nice win for ODU and the Sun Belt.

Coastal Carolina taking down Army. Nice win for the conference over a solid Army team.

Southern Miss's near win against a good Liberty team shows they are on the upswing again and will only get better which is exciting for the west.

App State's thriller with UNC shows they are the same App State of recent past. Probably a game they should have won and UNC knows it. App is really good. UNC will likely finish 2nd in the coastal division of the ACC to give you a gauge of how good APP is. The road to an east
division championship goes through App.

Louisiana...Win as expected.

Arkansas State....took are of business.

Troy....walked into a difficult atmosphere and performed really well all things considering. If Troy gets the offense going, look out on the west side. That defense is pretty good.

Overall, really good week for the Sun Belt. The future is bright.

(09-05-2022 07:41 PM)MOTIAW Wrote:  Longhorn,

First, you win the grammar/reading comprehension gold star!! Seriously! “Relational comparison”! And, you’re 100% right. Worded as it was, you’re 100% right. Very nice… not being a smart-ass.

But, as I think you’ve ascertained by now, that was indeed not the intent. The intent truly was just to state that Coastal was dysfunctional. Good of you to take the time to inquire before coming guns-a-blazing… quite refreshing around here…

Thought you might like to actually know why such a statement was made? I mean we’ve all got to see JMU’s story coming aboard. Not sure you had that chance, nor really cared to, a few years back when Coastal did.


First, we weren’t anywhere near as ready. Y’all have a much bigger stadium before any completing/renovating to be done, than we have now that we’ve done that. Y’all have an incredible, passionate, multi-generation fan base, we still don’t (20 years of football doesn’t allow for that yet). Y’all got $$… we have to fight tooth and nail against the State (led by Clemson/USC legislators who don’t exactly want another mouth to feed) for every dollar we get, including how to spend the ones we have. Y’all have a history of relevance, and while we blew up quickly under Moglia, we really only had 2 years of FCS top-notch anything… let’s be honest, our willingness to grow football was only part of our appeal, large parts were the recent success of baseball and hoops too. Y’all have great continuity with your football coaching staff. We were going through a transition from Moglia to Chadwell, one that saw high numbers of players defect due to the culture shift. Y’all went straight to 85 schollies, and actually had 85 worthy guys sitting around to give them too. We had to follow pre-realignment “ramp up” scholly protocols, weren’t even full up to start with (see coach change losses), and had too many guys in/outside the two-deep that really weren’t FBS material.

Might sound like whining, it’s not. Just took us a good while to start to get past that “dysfunction”. We’re starting to realize being better equipped. The point was, we all know it won’t take y’all anytime at all to reach the same place, just like it didn’t take App St or GS any time. Your situation is far more similar to theirs than ours.

And… don’t let these other petty fans fool you into thinking we hate you for it… jealous, sure! Also, as was said, the idea we’d hold a grudge for us trying to get into SoCon or whatever is full bologna… it’s the best thing to never have happened to us. If it had… there’s no doubt we’d have been way behind y’all in pecking order at the moment we got called up. I mean, some of still think we only got it because y’all weren’t truly interested the first time around.

Anyway, good luck, except against us… I hope you do beat some SBC behinds this year.

Well said!

Solid B-B+ all around. Needed USM and App to take care of business to bring it into A territory.

Great first week all things considered, especially in comparison to the other G conferences.

this upcoming weeks schedule is tough. Need USA & UL & Texas State to win. ODU would be gravy that +12.5 line is looking tempting. If we can sneak 1 P5 win (GASO&GAST most likely), win 3 of 4 G5 matchups and win all FCS matchups, thats another great week.

The SBC did really well in Week 1. Kudos to you guys. The East in particular is going to be a really strong division, but several in the West performed well too. I think the AAC will likely still win the access bid this year because of the Big12/3 but next year the AAC is looking at a big step down and it will be up for grabs going forward.

C-USA had some laughably embarrassing performances. I figured MTSU would lose but I didn't think they would not show up at all, Charlotte is soon to be the AAC's problem (same for Rice, UNT, FAU), FIU at least won but man it was ugly, UTEP looks to have regressed. NMST is a predictable 0-2. UAB and UTSA look solid but are both leaving. Jacksonville State is looking like a good FCS team. SHSU got bodied by TAMU but most teams would. Liberty and USM were in a dog fight. Don't know what to make of it yet because I don't know how good Liberty is post Willis or how improved USM is this year. WKU isn't nearly as good as last year. D is probably a bit better, O is half what it was. Need improvement and fast. Schedule has been easy so far. Have a bye week to prepare for a very lackluster Indiana squad. Maybe we can finally get over the B1G hump.

Best of luck going forward (except for Troy in a couple weeks, and best of luck to you guys after our game).

(09-06-2022 09:45 AM)freshtop Wrote:  The SBC did really well in Week 1. Kudos to you guys. The East in particular is going to be a really strong division, but several in the West performed well too. I think the AAC will likely still win the access bid this year because of the Big12/3 but next year the AAC is looking at a big step down and it will be up for grabs going forward.

C-USA had some laughably embarrassing performances. I figured MTSU would lose but I didn't think they would not show up at all, Charlotte is soon to be the AAC's problem (same for Rice, UNT, FAU), FIU at least won but man it was ugly, UTEP looks to have regressed. NMST is a predictable 0-2. UAB and UTSA look solid but are both leaving. Jacksonville State is looking like a good FCS team. SHSU got bodied by TAMU but most teams would. Liberty and USM were in a dog fight. Don't know what to make of it yet because I don't know how good Liberty is post Willis or how improved USM is this year. WKU isn't nearly as good as last year. D is probably a bit better, O is half what it was. Need improvement and fast. Schedule has been easy so far. Have a bye week to prepare for a very lackluster Indiana squad. Maybe we can finally get over the B1G hump.

Best of luck going forward (except for Troy in a couple weeks, and best of luck to you guys after our game).

Good luck. Tough start for CUSA, UTSA and UAB seem like the front runners.

I would give it a B.

A win over a P5 is nice, but APP should have had the second one if they were able to play defense. I didn't expect TXST to not show up for the game at Nevada. A solid win by Coastal helped and the teams playing FCS schools all took care of business as expected. USM being Liberty would have been nice, but that was at least an entertaining game. Some closer games against the P5s by GSU and Troy would have pushed this up to A- territory.

New SBC is looking good. The computer models saw a big jump from preseason to today. Even though we only took one P5 scalp, the bottom end teams seem to be exceeding expectations. Let's hope public perception moves with it.

Definitely agree with those grading the conference performance as a B. IMO, anytime the conference can produce double digit wins in OOC play it is a solid weekend.

Best win: CCU
Strong performance: JMU
PR win: ODU
Must win: Marshall, USA, GS, UL, stAte

USM over Liberty would've raised the grade to a B+. Needed App to beat UNC for the coveted A5 scalp and bring the grade up to an A.

To me, the score wasn't reflective of their overall play and outside of the punt team debacles, GSU had a respectable showing against USCar. Panthers outgained the Cocks in total yards and were +1 in TO. Shane bringing Beamer ball back to CFB.

Although I'm sure their fans aren't happy about it, Troy and ULM went as expected

Biggest disappointment was TXST point differential. I was not expecting a W against Nevada but was hopeful the Bobcats could keep it within 2 scores.


Tough week (2) ahead as it appears the SBC is the underdog in 8 of 14 games with 5 of those 8 being roughly 20+ point spreads. After posting double digit wins last week, I think 7 wins (.500) would be a decent week 2 showing and would deserve another B grade, while 8 or more would be cream and could push for a B+/A grade.

Must wins: CCU, JMU, Troy, TXST, ULM
Needed wins: USA, ODU, UL
Don't get boat-raced: App, stAte, GS, GSU, Marshall

SBC needs 2 W's out of USA, ODU and/or UL. If GS, GSU and/or Marshall can steal at least 1 from the boat-race category, the SBC will be setting itself up nicely.

(09-06-2022 09:45 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Liberty and USM were in a dog fight. Don't know what to make of it yet because I don't know how good Liberty is post Willis or how improved USM is this year.

We ARE improved at 21 outta 22 positions...we just don't have a QB yet who can confidently guide the offense efficiently thru 4 quarters, win or lose.

Those who did not watch the game are unaware we fumbled and lost the ball TWICE ON the goal line. Replays show that we easily scored before the 1st fumble, and while LOSERS always complain about the refs, it DID happen and always seems to happen against snakebit teams.

We shall see if Super Back is here to stay or we go with QB #3 (or not)

(09-06-2022 11:19 AM)moonshine Wrote:  Definitely agree with those grading the conference performance as a B. IMO, anytime the conference can produce double digit wins in OOC play it is a solid weekend.

Best win: CCU
Strong performance: JMU
PR win: ODU
Must win: Marshall, USA, GS, UL, stAte

USM over Liberty would've raised the grade to a B+. Needed App to beat UNC for the coveted A5 scalp and bring the grade up to an A.

To me, the score wasn't reflective of their overall play and outside of the punt team debacles, GSU had a respectable showing against USCar. Panthers outgained the Cocks in total yards and were +1 in TO. Shane bringing Beamer ball back to CFB.

Although I'm sure their fans aren't happy about it, Troy and ULM went as expected

Biggest disappointment was TXST point differential. I was not expecting a W against Nevada but was hopeful the Bobcats could keep it within 2 scores.


Tough week (2) ahead as it appears the SBC is the underdog in 8 of 14 games with 5 of those 8 being roughly 20+ point spreads. After posting double digit wins last week, I think 7 wins (.500) would be a decent week 2 showing and would deserve another B grade, while 8 or more would be cream and could push for a B+/A grade.

Must wins: CCU, JMU, Troy, TXST, ULM
Needed wins: USA, ODU, UL
Don't get boat-raced: App, stAte, GS, GSU, Marshall

SBC needs 2 W's out of USA, ODU and/or UL. If GS, GSU and/or Marshall can steal at least 1 from the boat-race category, the SBC will be setting itself up nicely.

We're only 43.5 point dogs against the #2 team in the country and a National Title favorite this week, Boat racing is a very relative termf or us.

I consider Ohio State to be like Georgia and Bama in the P5 games spectrum. You are going to lose, you are probably going to lose by a lot, just stay healthy.

Now, I do think Georgia Southern can beat Nebraska.

(09-06-2022 12:52 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 09:45 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Liberty and USM were in a dog fight. Don't know what to make of it yet because I don't know how good Liberty is post Willis or how improved USM is this year.

We ARE improved at 21 outta 22 positions...we just don't have a QB yet who can confidently guide the offense efficiently thru 4 quarters, win or lose.

Those who did not watch the game are unaware we fumbled and lost the ball TWICE ON the goal line. Replays show that we easily scored before the 1st fumble, and while LOSERS always complain about the refs, it DID happen and always seems to happen against snakebit teams.

We shall see if Super Back is here to stay or we go with QB #3 (or not)

You guys can borrow Alonza Barnett for a year, get him some game experience You gotta give him back though, and don't get him hurt!

Honestly it was just an average week.

The teams that we should have beat we did for the most part. The teams we expected to lose did for the most part. JMU blowing out MTSU was the biggest surprise to me. Not that they won (I expected that) but that they ran away with it. The last several years we have surprised a P5 or two every season so congrats to ODU but it is nothing new for the Sun Belt. App played a Hell of a game and had they won I'd be pushed to say it was an above average week but they didn't. 8-6 is a solid OOC start but again this is nothing new...we have been going just above .500 every year in OOC for the last several years now.

Week 2 is a real test. Win some we shouldn't this week and beat the few we are favored in and that will be a better week even if the W-L column isn't as good.

App State offense looked really good (obviously UNC defense has issues), but our offense looked solid (even the receiving core - bravo!). I mean, jeez, App State scored touchdowns on 9 of their 14 drives.

App State defense is better than it showed... UNC's new QB (Maye) is the real reason they won that game. He is very impressive.

I have no idea how App will play A&M. My thoughts are that we give them a scare, but we'll see. Overall, I feel App State can complete in the SBC East this year very well, and I hope we are fortunate enough to play for another conference championship this year.

Also...kudos to Chase Brice, the O Line, and the running backs. Well done!

We beat the spread in 10 out of 14 games, with five of them beating the spread by double digits and three of those by over 25. Only one of the four where we didn't cover was double digits, Texas State. Four of the five we covered by double digits were against FCS teams though.

Wins and losses, we only won one as an underdog(ODU) and we lost two as favorites(App State, Texas State). Really though it's kinda surprising that Texas State was favored and obviously UNC beating App isn't some big upset. The upset win was more impactful than the upset losses.

I see it as three good/great wins and one bad loss. Above average week imo, especially compared to the rest of the G5. App and USM were very close to making it a great week though.

(09-06-2022 01:56 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 12:52 PM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(09-06-2022 09:45 AM)freshtop Wrote:  Liberty and USM were in a dog fight. Don't know what to make of it yet because I don't know how good Liberty is post Willis or how improved USM is this year.

We ARE improved at 21 outta 22 positions...we just don't have a QB yet who can confidently guide the offense efficiently thru 4 quarters, win or lose.

Those who did not watch the game are unaware we fumbled and lost the ball TWICE ON the goal line. Replays show that we easily scored before the 1st fumble, and while LOSERS always complain about the refs, it DID happen and always seems to happen against snakebit teams.

We shall see if Super Back is here to stay or we go with QB #3 (or not)

You guys can borrow Alonza Barnett for a year, get him some game experience You gotta give him back though, and don't get him hurt!

Now THERE’S an idea!! You should sell that to the NCAA (P5)… A loaner program where they get good temp starters/backups with all the good trainings, and then return them when they have better.