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In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
Well, the subject says it all, but let's play with what that could look like.

If the FBS leagues are separate from the NCAA governance structure then not only do we have some interesting dynamics when it comes to the college football playoff, but we could get some unexpected regular season results.

So we've bandied about the idea of partial members for the SEC. Rather, we could see schools that are members for all sports expect football. That could have some interesting benefits.

1) It would free up some space for another full member in the SEC regardless of expansion or not.

2) It would provide some opportunities for several schools to form their own football league that wouldn't have to compete with SEC teams on the regular.

This potential "Magnolia League" could comprise Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, and Tulane. Then maybe you can get the Service Academies to join. Army, Navy, and Air Force would be terribly interesting.

Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Rice
Tulane
Army
Navy
Air Force

Not only would it be interesting for these schools to play each other annually and have their own conference race, but it would be additional content you could store on the SEC Network or ESPN+. When it came to the Service Academy games, they could obviously go to a bigger network. That's 7 conference games and plenty of space to keep non-conference games in-house by being the cupcakes for SEC teams.

3) Non-football sports would be in the SEC as well and earn revenue that way. The Service Academies might opt for something different here...

Either way, having these schools in the fold would help build up a significant alliance.

4) For the SEC's part in building a full member league, you've got more options if you don't have to worry about Vanderbilt or Duke taking up a spot.

Kansas, Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech.
08-24-2022 10:37 PM
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RE: In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
Does removing FBS from the NCAA mean schools don't have to provide for 85 women's athletic scholarships per Title IX?
08-24-2022 11:03 PM
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RE: In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
(08-24-2022 11:03 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Does removing FBS from the NCAA mean schools don't have to provide for 85 women's athletic scholarships per Title IX?

Title IX is Federal law.

It's the NCAA that says you can't have a league dedicated to football. In other words, that league must sponsor other sports if you're going to have a scholarship football program.

But that's not the operative point. If a school sponsors scholarship football then that doesn't free them from providing requisite scholarships for there sports. The NCAA, however, forced those football programs to either be independent or join a conference that sponsored other sports.

If you could construct a football only league, that doesn't remove the other sports. It's just a matter of where the other sports are housed.
08-25-2022 04:47 PM
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RE: In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
(08-24-2022 10:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Well, the subject says it all, but let's play with what that could look like.

If the FBS leagues are separate from the NCAA governance structure then not only do we have some interesting dynamics when it comes to the college football playoff, but we could get some unexpected regular season results.

So we've bandied about the idea of partial members for the SEC. Rather, we could see schools that are members for all sports expect football. That could have some interesting benefits.

1) It would free up some space for another full member in the SEC regardless of expansion or not.

2) It would provide some opportunities for several schools to form their own football league that wouldn't have to compete with SEC teams on the regular.

This potential "Magnolia League" could comprise Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, and Tulane. Then maybe you can get the Service Academies to join. Army, Navy, and Air Force would be terribly interesting.

Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Rice
Tulane
Army
Navy
Air Force

Not only would it be interesting for these schools to play each other annually and have their own conference race, but it would be additional content you could store on the SEC Network or ESPN+. When it came to the Service Academy games, they could obviously go to a bigger network. That's 7 conference games and plenty of space to keep non-conference games in-house by being the cupcakes for SEC teams.

3) Non-football sports would be in the SEC as well and earn revenue that way. The Service Academies might opt for something different here...

Either way, having these schools in the fold would help build up a significant alliance.

4) For the SEC's part in building a full member league, you've got more options if you don't have to worry about Vanderbilt or Duke taking up a spot.

Kansas, Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech.

Other Magnolia prospects?

SMU, definitely. Maybe Tulsa.
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08-26-2022 08:16 AM
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RE: In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
(08-26-2022 08:16 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(08-24-2022 10:37 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Well, the subject says it all, but let's play with what that could look like.

If the FBS leagues are separate from the NCAA governance structure then not only do we have some interesting dynamics when it comes to the college football playoff, but we could get some unexpected regular season results.

So we've bandied about the idea of partial members for the SEC. Rather, we could see schools that are members for all sports expect football. That could have some interesting benefits.

1) It would free up some space for another full member in the SEC regardless of expansion or not.

2) It would provide some opportunities for several schools to form their own football league that wouldn't have to compete with SEC teams on the regular.

This potential "Magnolia League" could comprise Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, Rice, and Tulane. Then maybe you can get the Service Academies to join. Army, Navy, and Air Force would be terribly interesting.

Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Rice
Tulane
Army
Navy
Air Force

Not only would it be interesting for these schools to play each other annually and have their own conference race, but it would be additional content you could store on the SEC Network or ESPN+. When it came to the Service Academy games, they could obviously go to a bigger network. That's 7 conference games and plenty of space to keep non-conference games in-house by being the cupcakes for SEC teams.

3) Non-football sports would be in the SEC as well and earn revenue that way. The Service Academies might opt for something different here...

Either way, having these schools in the fold would help build up a significant alliance.

4) For the SEC's part in building a full member league, you've got more options if you don't have to worry about Vanderbilt or Duke taking up a spot.

Kansas, Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech.

Other Magnolia prospects?

SMU, definitely. Maybe Tulsa.

I thought about SMU, but there's the prospect they might be able to compete at a higher level. Maybe the PAC?

Tulsa would fit in well though.
08-26-2022 05:57 PM
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RE: In removing FBS from the NCAA structure, you can have football-only leagues
I like the thought process around this idea. For me, UVA, Miami and GT would get a whole lot more interesting under this scenario as full members, as they not only have potential in football but also bring the Big Stick academically.
08-27-2022 03:25 PM
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