What order do you think the B12 teams finish? I’ll go first:

1. Baylor
2. Oklahoma
3. Oklahoma State
4. Kansas State
5. Iowa State
6. Texas
7. Texas Tech
8. TCU
9. West Virginia
10. Kansas

I’m sure no one will disagree with me here*

What ever happened to West Virginia? They used to run the Big East

(08-16-2022 08:14 PM)otown Wrote:  What ever happened to West Virginia? They used to run the Big East

They fell off toward the end of the Dana Holgorsen era and haven't been able to find it under Neal Brown. They've been mired in mediocrity for a while now unfortunately.

1. Baylor
2. Oklahoma
3. Oklahoma St
4. Iowa St
5. Texas
6. TCU
7. Kansas St
8. Texas Tech
9. West Virginia
10. Kansas

Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

1. Baylor
2. Oklahoma State
3. Kansas State
4. Oklahoma
5. Iowa State
6. Texas Tech
7. West Virginia
8. TCU
9. Texas
10. Kansas

1. Oklahoma
2. Oklahoma State
3. Baylor
4. Iowa State
5. West Virginia
6. Texas
7. TCU
8. Texas Tech
9. Kansas State
10. Kansas

(08-16-2022 08:14 PM)otown Wrote:  What ever happened to West Virginia? They used to run the Big East

We had a hc that was good with X’s and O’s but didn’t care about recruiting. And now we have one that does an alright job of recruiting but doesn’t seem to be much of a coach so far.
But with all the problems we’ve had we still have a winning head to head record against 7/10 B12 schools. and are even up with KState.
Hopefully we get back on track soon. Which will be a problem for y’all.

(08-17-2022 02:08 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

I want to be that optimistic on TCU, but not sure I can bring myself to putting us top 3. I think I'd probably put TCU in the 5,6,7 range and making a bowl game.

In theory the talent is there for us to finish higher based upon the recruiting classes Patterson was bringing in, but I need to see more production on the field before getting my full class half full mindset.

Baylor
Oklahoma St.
Oklahoma
Texas
Iowa St.
TCU
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Kansas St.
Kansas

(08-17-2022 08:04 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 02:08 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

I want to be that optimistic on TCU, but not sure I can bring myself to putting us top 3. I think I'd probably put TCU in the 5,6,7 range and making a bowl game.

In theory the talent is there for us to finish higher based upon the recruiting classes Patterson was bringing in, but I need to see more production on the field before getting my full class half full mindset.

Talent is there to compete with anyone in the conference. I am basing a lot on attitude change, health, and coaches. I was not a fan of the process to bring Sonny in, but he has a very good track record with QBs which I think will help.

That plus the first three games are very winnable and there is a bye week for adjustments. That should help get the players more practice with the system before conference play. I also think OU will be down this year followed by Kansas to help start the Frog October before OSU comes to Fort Worth.

(08-17-2022 12:15 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 08:04 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 02:08 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

I want to be that optimistic on TCU, but not sure I can bring myself to putting us top 3. I think I'd probably put TCU in the 5,6,7 range and making a bowl game.

In theory the talent is there for us to finish higher based upon the recruiting classes Patterson was bringing in, but I need to see more production on the field before getting my full class half full mindset.

Talent is there to compete with anyone in the conference. I am basing a lot on attitude change, health, and coaches. I was not a fan of the process to bring Sonny in, but he has a very good track record with QBs which I think will help.

That plus the first three games are very winnable and there is a bye week for adjustments. That should help get the players more practice with the system before conference play. I also think OU will be down this year followed by Kansas to help start the Frog October before OSU comes to Fort Worth.

Do you really think that due to a new coach, TCU will vault into the top of the Big XII? Did his SMU teams in the AAC ever get into the top 2 or 3 and be in contention for the conference championship?

1. Oklahoma
2. Baylor
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas
5. Kansas State
6. Texas Tech
7. West Virginia
8. TCU
9. Iowa State
10. Kansas

(08-17-2022 01:39 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  1. Oklahoma
2. Baylor
3. Oklahoma State
4. Texas
5. Kansas State
6. Texas Tech
7. West Virginia
8. TCU
9. Iowa State
10. Kansas

This seems about right. Tech should end the season in the 5-7 range. Should have hired McGuire 2 years ago.

Don’t care, not my problem, until next year

(08-17-2022 08:26 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Baylor
Oklahoma St.
Oklahoma
Texas
Iowa St.
TCU
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Kansas St.
Kansas

This one seems pretty accurate.

(08-17-2022 01:21 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 12:15 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 08:04 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 02:08 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

I want to be that optimistic on TCU, but not sure I can bring myself to putting us top 3. I think I'd probably put TCU in the 5,6,7 range and making a bowl game.

In theory the talent is there for us to finish higher based upon the recruiting classes Patterson was bringing in, but I need to see more production on the field before getting my full class half full mindset.

Talent is there to compete with anyone in the conference. I am basing a lot on attitude change, health, and coaches. I was not a fan of the process to bring Sonny in, but he has a very good track record with QBs which I think will help.

That plus the first three games are very winnable and there is a bye week for adjustments. That should help get the players more practice with the system before conference play. I also think OU will be down this year followed by Kansas to help start the Frog October before OSU comes to Fort Worth.

Do you really think that due to a new coach, TCU will vault into the top of the Big XII? Did his SMU teams in the AAC ever get into the top 2 or 3 and be in contention for the conference championship?

No I don't really think that, that is why I posted it. /sarcasm

Well technically I did not post that. I said the talent level with attitude improvement in players plus coaches and so many reasons for improvement, not just due to a new coach.

No, he did not win the AAC or finish top 2/3. Was that due to coaching or the school. He did have the first 10 win season at SMU since 1984. So he did better there than the previous 35+ years of coaches. Did SMU have top talent in the AAC? Haven't followed their recruiting, but I am guessing not.

(08-17-2022 07:02 AM)Otacon Wrote:  1. Oklahoma
2. Oklahoma State
3. Baylor
4. Iowa State
5. West Virginia
6. Texas
7. TCU
8. Texas Tech
9. Kansas State
10. Kansas

I'm gonna say:

BU (I do like Shapen)
OU (If Gabriel doesn't stay healthy..will be lower)
UT
OSU

Then a jumbled mess between ISU/KSU/WVU/TTU/TCU

This probably won't be the year for KU to get out of the 10th spot.


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(08-17-2022 10:44 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 01:21 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 12:15 PM)Endless Purple Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 08:04 AM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 02:08 AM)Endless Purple Wrote:  Have done only limited research but here I have it by groups.

Top finishers (not a specific order) - TCU, Texas, Oklahoma St

Middle group - Baylor, Oklahoma, Kansas St

Next - Iowa St, WVU

Bottom - Tech and Kansas

I do think both Tech and Kansas are better than last year, but not sure enough to finish higher than other teams.

I want to be that optimistic on TCU, but not sure I can bring myself to putting us top 3. I think I'd probably put TCU in the 5,6,7 range and making a bowl game.

In theory the talent is there for us to finish higher based upon the recruiting classes Patterson was bringing in, but I need to see more production on the field before getting my full class half full mindset.

Talent is there to compete with anyone in the conference. I am basing a lot on attitude change, health, and coaches. I was not a fan of the process to bring Sonny in, but he has a very good track record with QBs which I think will help.

That plus the first three games are very winnable and there is a bye week for adjustments. That should help get the players more practice with the system before conference play. I also think OU will be down this year followed by Kansas to help start the Frog October before OSU comes to Fort Worth.

Do you really think that due to a new coach, TCU will vault into the top of the Big XII? Did his SMU teams in the AAC ever get into the top 2 or 3 and be in contention for the conference championship?

No I don't really think that, that is why I posted it. /sarcasm

Well technically I did not post that. I said the talent level with attitude improvement in players plus coaches and so many reasons for improvement, not just due to a new coach.

No, he did not win the AAC or finish top 2/3. Was that due to coaching or the school. He did have the first 10 win season at SMU since 1984. So he did better there than the previous 35+ years of coaches. Did SMU have top talent in the AAC? Haven't followed their recruiting, but I am guessing not.

There seems to be a lot of commentary coming from players out of practice, etc... that certainly imply that the players were disengaged the last couple of years under Patterson. At a bare minimum it seems like we will have better effort than it seems like we have seen in games the last couple years (minus Baylor who always got 100%).

Conference games only, when you add them all up and divide them by 10, you will end up with a 50 50 result. 1/2 of the teams will win and 1/2 will lose.