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RE: OutKick: Jim Phillips passed over by BIG. Jim Phillips will keep ACC from BIG3
(08-02-2022 07:51 AM)TerryD Wrote: (08-01-2022 06:14 PM)random asian guy Wrote: (08-01-2022 02:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (08-01-2022 01:50 PM)TerryD Wrote: (08-01-2022 11:40 AM)random asian guy Wrote: Yes, actually this is a great chance for the ACC to shake things up. The ACC is in a position to build a 20 - 24 team nationwide super conference if it wants. I just don’t think Phillips is that visionary. It will be more like addition of two teams if anything.
Still, his response during the media day this year was much different from the last year’s speech. Last year he had just talked about ND. This year, he seems to be working on something with ESPN.
Regarding his traditional view on the college model, see the below article.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA10bvx9
I think that he quit talking about ND because after giving it his best shot for a year, he is finally convinced that ND football is never joining.
I said this last year. He is wasting time on convincing us, that ship sailed. ND fans would swallow the Big 10 pill if needed, but not the ACC. He needs to focus on what is available, and that is begging ESPN for money.
Personally I think the playoff discussion was an inflection point.
(08-01-2022 10:39 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote: (08-01-2022 02:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote: (08-01-2022 01:50 PM)TerryD Wrote: (08-01-2022 11:40 AM)random asian guy Wrote: Yes, actually this is a great chance for the ACC to shake things up. The ACC is in a position to build a 20 - 24 team nationwide super conference if it wants. I just don’t think Phillips is that visionary. It will be more like addition of two teams if anything.
Still, his response during the media day this year was much different from the last year’s speech. Last year he had just talked about ND. This year, he seems to be working on something with ESPN.
Regarding his traditional view on the college model, see the below article.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...r-AA10bvx9
I think that he quit talking about ND because after giving it his best shot for a year, he is finally convinced that ND football is never joining.
I said this last year. He is wasting time on convincing us, that ship sailed. ND fans would swallow the Big 10 pill if needed, but not the ACC. He needs to focus on what is available, and that is begging ESPN for money.
(08-01-2022 07:15 PM)Gamenole Wrote: (08-01-2022 06:55 PM)random asian guy Wrote: In terms of football, an incoming school will have a chance to play marquee programs such as Clemson, Miami, FSU and ND. And the conference should be safe until the end of GoR.
The only target schools that may be hesitant to sign the ACC GoR are UO, UW, and Stanford in my opinion. And they are probably only schools that would materially increase the ACC payout. But there are other schools that are at least revenue neutral. I would say Colorado, ASU, Utah, Cal, Houston, Ok State, TCU and Cincy are all possible target schools that would join the ACC.
I think you're vastly overestimating the schools who would be willing to join the ACC. First, those marquee programs you mentioned are likely to either leave or cease to be marquee programs by or before 2036. So you'd be signing yourself into a low-paying, long-term prison for maybe 3-4 games against each of them, unless you land one as a "permanent rival". The PAC & Big XII may not make more or even as much money as the ACC, but they also are likely to get shorter term deals that go back to market and/or provide an opportunity to escape years before the ACC TV deal & GoR expire.
Of the schools you listed, I think only Cincinnati would be willing to join. They were in the Big East before and likely wouldn't mind it again. Schools like Colorado, Arizona State, Utah, Cal, Houston, Oklahoma State and TCU are already in 2nd tier conferences closer to home, why would they make a lateral move with greatly increased travel costs? None of those schools are going to jump to get 3-4 games against Clemson, FSU and Miami knowing that on 7/1/36 they may find themselves in the old Big East + Wake.
Unless a school has an invitation to the P2, their best option is likely the ACC. The ACC is currently the strongest conference (outside of the P2), financially and football strength. For better or worse, the ACC is also dramatically more stable than any other viable option.
The GOR through 2036 is probably the biggest stumbling-block in attracting high-value members. So long as Phillips and ESPN are willing to compromise, lawyers can always find creative accommodations. This is no different, and likely less complex, than the arrangement made between the ACC and ND.
Any incoming schools have to sign the GOR to join the ACC.
If they don't, the ACC has probably voided the GOR.
Its pretty hard to be "creative" in that scenario.
What school with any value (or even a glimmer of a P2 hope) is going to want to tie themselves to the ACC GOR for 14 more years ??
1. There are are not that many schools out there that will be invited to the P2. ND for sure. Maybe Stanford. UO and UW has zero chance.
2. ND will most likely stay until the end of the GOR or close to the end either becuase they want to stay independent or because they don’t want to get into the messy divorce process. In other words, the next big bang will happen at the end of ACC GOR anyway.
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OutKick: Jim Phillips passed over by BIG. Jim Phillips will keep ACC from BIG3
