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ACC explains how Georgia Tech’s primary partners were determined
1. Clemson - 87 times, fourth among Tech’s frequently played opponents
Clemson winning the past seven games by 27.1 points dulled the rivalry, and Tech athletic director Todd Stansbury didn’t seem especially keen on continuing to face juggernauts Clemson and Georgia annually. “I don’t think that matchup necessarily rose to that level (of Florida State-Miami), but it’s a very meaningful matchup for the ACC,” Strickland said. “So maybe it scored higher under the column of ‘it matters to the ACC’ than it matters to either individual fan base or institution.”

2. Wake Fores
t - 31 times, Tech leads series 23-8
Tech-Wake Forest was attractive because the two teams have been in opposite divisions (they’ve faced each other once in the past 11 seasons) and are fairly close geographically. (It’s Tech’s third-closest ACC opponent, following Clemson and Florida State.) To the argument that Tech-Wake Forest lacks appeal on the lack of recent history, Strickland responded, “That’s the point. You used to (have a history), and you’ve gone 12 or how many years it’s been now without a chance to play, and you will have history.”

3. Louisville
- 2 times, Tech leads the series 2-0
“But you’ve got to look at it from the other teams’ perspective,” he said. “Louisville needs three, as well. And so who are you going to pair them up with?” As the newest ACC member, Louisville doesn’t have an obvious rival and was matched with Miami and Virginia besides Tech. Atlanta is the third-closest ACC city from Louisville. “And I think Nashville’s a nice stopping-off point in the middle,” Strickland said helpfully. “And that’d be a fun trip for people in Atlanta to make, and it’s only six hours up the road, but it made a lot of sense from the Louisville perspective.”


There were Tech fans who also were irritated about Duke not being a primary partner, as the Yellow Jackets and Blue Devils have played each other annually since 1933, Tech’s longest active streak after Tech and Georgia did not play in 2020. It was deemed not a premium rivalry in the way that Clemson-Tech or Miami-Florida State were. “Just in general, just because you’ve done something for a long time, it doesn’t mean it’s the same stature as something else,” Strickland said. In instances like Tech-Duke, the league tried to assess what would be gained in not making the schools primary partners and what would be lost. Not having Duke may have helped Tech-Wake Forest to become a pair.


Strickland did say that there were versions of the schedule that paired Tech and Florida State, teams that are in opposite divisions, have proximity and a history. They have the consolation of facing each other far more in the future than they have in recent years, although they do play this season. “You just weigh the pros and cons of each different setup,” Strickland said. Strickland said that the two matchups that schedule makers had the most angst about not being able to include were Virginia Tech-Miami and Wake Forest-North Carolina.

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(07-29-2022 09:45 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Link
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Thank you for sharing this. I appreciate Mr Strickland's candor.

The process is rather as several commenters suggested. Speaking very broadly: There's a rival you want, there's a rival that wants you, and there's a rival you get because if both of you agree it will be helpful in working everything out.

ADs have many priorities to balance. Georgia Tech knows its Atlanta location is a draw. Fans of other teams will want to make trips into the city, and Georgia Tech's own fans want convenient travel. I'm guessing the Jackets will get a boost in attendance out of this.
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(07-29-2022 09:45 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  1. Clemson - 87 times, fourth among Tech’s frequently played opponents
Clemson winning the past seven games by 27.1 points dulled the rivalry, and Tech athletic director Todd Stansbury didn’t seem especially keen on continuing to face juggernauts Clemson and Georgia annually. “I don’t think that matchup necessarily rose to that level (of Florida State-Miami), but it’s a very meaningful matchup for the ACC,” Strickland said. “So maybe it scored higher under the column of ‘it matters to the ACC’ than it matters to either individual fan base or institution.”

2. Wake Fores
t - 31 times, Tech leads series 23-8
Tech-Wake Forest was attractive because the two teams have been in opposite divisions (they’ve faced each other once in the past 11 seasons) and are fairly close geographically. (It’s Tech’s third-closest ACC opponent, following Clemson and Florida State.) To the argument that Tech-Wake Forest lacks appeal on the lack of recent history, Strickland responded, “That’s the point. You used to (have a history), and you’ve gone 12 or how many years it’s been now without a chance to play, and you will have history.”

3. Louisville
- 2 times, Tech leads the series 2-0
“But you’ve got to look at it from the other teams’ perspective,” he said. “Louisville needs three, as well. And so who are you going to pair them up with?” As the newest ACC member, Louisville doesn’t have an obvious rival and was matched with Miami and Virginia besides Tech. Atlanta is the third-closest ACC city from Louisville. “And I think Nashville’s a nice stopping-off point in the middle,” Strickland said helpfully. “And that’d be a fun trip for people in Atlanta to make, and it’s only six hours up the road, but it made a lot of sense from the Louisville perspective.”


There were Tech fans who also were irritated about Duke not being a primary partner, as the Yellow Jackets and Blue Devils have played each other annually since 1933, Tech’s longest active streak after Tech and Georgia did not play in 2020. It was deemed not a premium rivalry in the way that Clemson-Tech or Miami-Florida State were. “Just in general, just because you’ve done something for a long time, it doesn’t mean it’s the same stature as something else,” Strickland said. In instances like Tech-Duke, the league tried to assess what would be gained in not making the schools primary partners and what would be lost. Not having Duke may have helped Tech-Wake Forest to become a pair.


Strickland did say that there were versions of the schedule that paired Tech and Florida State, teams that are in opposite divisions, have proximity and a history. They have the consolation of facing each other far more in the future than they have in recent years, although they do play this season. “You just weigh the pros and cons of each different setup,” Strickland said. Strickland said that the two matchups that schedule makers had the most angst about not being able to include were Virginia Tech-Miami and Wake Forest-North Carolina.

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BL: it is only for 4 years. I have a feeling many of these will be tweaked over 4 year cycles.
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(07-30-2022 05:36 AM)green Wrote:  
(07-29-2022 09:45 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  ...Strickland said that the two matchups that schedule makers had the most angst about not being able to include were Virginia Tech-Miami and Wake Forest-North Carolina.

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Well We have Metro history with Georgia Tech. Not a bad choice. And having lived in Miami, growing up a fan as well back to the George Mira days. I'm very happy with that. Still have friends down there I could stay with for future away games. Have friends and family in Atlanta too.
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It's almost as if someone said "which combinations will give us the lowest possible fan interest - let's make those annual!"
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(07-30-2022 11:08 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 05:36 AM)green Wrote:  
(07-29-2022 09:45 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  ...Strickland said that the two matchups that schedule makers had the most angst about not being able to include were Virginia Tech-Miami and Wake Forest-North Carolina.

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Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.
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(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...
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(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.
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(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.
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(07-31-2022 09:52 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.

I agree. Many games are rivalries between the two teams fanbases. Other games are rivalries that have more of a national interest beyond the two fanbases.
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(07-31-2022 09:52 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.

The difference is VT and Wake fans will travel to the other’s house. Same with UVA and Pitt. Will they do the same for Miami? The trade off is more VT-FSU, VT-UL, VT-Clemson.

It’s a win-win-win-win for VT which ends up with a well balanced schedule. No more crying over lost fake rivalries.
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(07-31-2022 12:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:52 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.

The difference is VT and Wake fans will travel to the other’s house. Same with UVA and Pitt. Will they do the same for Miami? The trade off is more VT-FSU, VT-UL, VT-Clemson.

It’s a win-win-win-win for VT which ends up with a well balanced schedule. No more crying over lost fake rivalries.

The point is that VT vs Miami is more valuable to ESPN, which should drive every decision for an underpaid ACC
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(07-31-2022 12:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:52 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.

The difference is VT and Wake fans will travel to the other’s house. Same with UVA and Pitt. Will they do the same for Miami? The trade off is more VT-FSU, VT-UL, VT-Clemson.

It’s a win-win-win-win for VT which ends up with a well balanced schedule. No more crying over lost fake rivalries.

and fewer Miami ...

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(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

At the risk of sounding snarky, do you understand what it's like to have a rivalry based on quality and national stakes rather than on geography?
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(07-31-2022 03:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

At the risk of sounding snarky, do you understand what it's like to have a rivalry based on quality and national stakes rather than on geography?

You mean like Kentucky?

When was the last time VT-Miami actually meant something nationally? 2001? Sorry if I sound snarky, but I think the basketball game has been more important lately.
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(07-31-2022 12:36 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 12:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:52 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

The difference is that people will actually watch VT-Miami. I'm more likely to watch underwater basket-weaving than UNC-WF.

Divisionless was the right move, but not getting VT-Miami annually was a miss.

The difference is VT and Wake fans will travel to the other’s house. Same with UVA and Pitt. Will they do the same for Miami? The trade off is more VT-FSU, VT-UL, VT-Clemson.

It’s a win-win-win-win for VT which ends up with a well balanced schedule. No more crying over lost fake rivalries.

The point is that VT vs Miami is more valuable to ESPN, which should drive every decision for an underpaid ACC

Some of you seem to think there is a Vick behind center or a Beamer on the sideline. Virginia Tech is in no position to overload their schedule, and they don’t have a national following. Sorry, but let’s be real.

If you don’t think ESPN steered the partners, well, I guess you just don’t college sports.
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(07-31-2022 09:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 03:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-31-2022 09:48 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:44 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-30-2022 08:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Hokies vs Hurricanes is a phony rivalry and I for one am glad it has ended annually. Let’s get some more VT-FSU games.

VT/Miami is a rivalry based on two quality teams playing with something on the line over and over again...

See Mark, you take “something on the line…” out and it isn’t a rivalry. Texas-TAMU is still a rivalry even when they don’t play. See UNC-Wake within the conference. VT-Miami won’t be scheduling each other outside the conference slate.

At the risk of sounding snarky, do you understand what it's like to have a rivalry based on quality and national stakes rather than on geography?

You mean like Kentucky?

When was the last time VT-Miami actually meant something nationally? 2001? Sorry if I sound snarky, but I think the basketball game has been more important lately.



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