(07-28-2022 01:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 01:09 PM)Huan Wrote:  if the only pac12 program willing to move is Arizona, then i'd take SDSU. but if other pac12 programs are willing to jump i'd take them ahead of SDSU, other than OSU and WSU :(

Agree, Getting Arizona now would be big get. If you need SDSU to do that fine. It simply would be one more crack in Pac. 9<10.

How so?

Weak TV market (Tucson) and a TERRIBLE football program.

While UA is a very good hoop team that is always cheating...that still doesn't add much value to the TV contract, where 80%-85% of it is based on FOOTBALL value.

It wasn't a coincidence that the Big 12 went after 4 "brands"...all which have invested heavily in football and ALL have had recent success (BYU, Cinci, UCF and Houston).

Arizona doesn't fit any of that. Heck, ASU, which has been better in football than UA, is more valuable do to being located in the PHX market.

UA isn't a "big" prize but they might benefit from the coattails of ASU.

(07-28-2022 02:51 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 01:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 01:09 PM)Huan Wrote:  if the only pac12 program willing to move is Arizona, then i'd take SDSU. but if other pac12 programs are willing to jump i'd take them ahead of SDSU, other than OSU and WSU :(

Agree, Getting Arizona now would be big get. If you need SDSU to do that fine. It simply would be one more crack in Pac. 9<10.

How so?

Weak TV market (Tucson) and a TERRIBLE football program.

While UA is a very good hoop team that is always cheating...that still doesn't add much value to the TV contract, where 80%-85% of it is based on FOOTBALL value.

It wasn't a coincidence that the Big 12 went after 4 "brands"...all which have invested heavily in football and ALL have had recent success (BYU, Cinci, UCF and Houston).

Arizona doesn't fit any of that. Heck, ASU, which has been better in football than UA, is more valuable do to being located in the PHX market.

UA isn't a "big" prize but they might benefit from the coattails of ASU.

I think it would help grease the skids for Utah and Colorado, perhaps even for ASU, which would also be a kill shot to the PAC, and force teams like O&W to either sh*t or get off the pot, they can join the B12 also or they can wait around for the B1G to call them up, but until then, the PAC would HAVE to restock some teams... but from where? MWC is best they can do unless there's some ridiculous TV "agreement" between the PAC and the ACC or whatever.

With 24 teams...the Big 12 would have 4 divisions. East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Memphis, and West Virginia. Central: Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, SMU, TCU and Texas Tech, Plains: Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Utah West: Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, San Diego State and Washington State.

As unlikely as I think that lineup is, switch BYU and Utah. Utah has history now with those PAC teams. And as a BYU fan in Houston who's been looking forward to having the team play in the state a couple of times, I'd prefer they not get locked in to playing only teams in CA/AZ/etc. and not teams closer to me.

Why do anything now, need To wait and see what the playoff format will be, if it’s a 10+6, then I think it’s better to have a smaller conference and houston would be better off staying in the AAC

(07-28-2022 04:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Why do anything now, need To wait and see what the playoff format will be, if it’s a 10+6, then I think it’s better to have a smaller conference and houston would be better off staying in the AAC

No, no, no!!

Not if you have to please the beauty pageant judges that select the playoff teams, they'll see to it the AAC schedule just doesn't cut it, I'll bet anyone $5 on that.

Besides, there's no way you can sustain a championship football program on the AAC payout. Yes, we've been relatively successful in the AAC, but it's come only in spurts, same for UCF and Cincy. The ONLY way to continuously be able to reload every year is to have that P5 level investments that you just cannot sustain on the AAC payroll.

I'd rather we take our chances fighting it out in the B12 every year than once every few years put a contender on the field in the AAC.

(07-28-2022 12:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:35 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I'm not against westward expansion, but I think other teams are still in play from Cali that would bolster the B12 more than SDSU. But in the meantime, I think we need to continue to urge the currently mentioned PAC teams (Az,ASU,CU,UT) to defect, citing the game times and TV $$ reasons and hope those PAC teams come to their senses and realize their B12 prejudices just aren't worth risking a healthy payday.

Cal will never join. Stanford/UO/WU are B1G or bust. Those programs, not even one of them, will ever join the Big 12. They will stay together until the B1G calls, and Utah/CO will stick with them until that time.

So who else is left? If they want Cali, you take SDSU. Especially if that moves Zona over the edge. You have a few options for 15/16 down the road, but not strong ones. Cal won't be one unless BYU is moved out, which can't happen.

As of now, the only better option is USF. Colorado is NOT coming until the PAC loses 2-4 additional schools to the B1G. We know they are going to target SDSU as an AU backfill.

Personally, I'd add Memphis or USF depending on what their metrics say, along with Zona, and let SDSU take the PAC lifeline. But Yormark is a BBall guy and if SDSU is what AU wants, then that's who they are taking.

I legit question the credibility of anyone advocating usf. They offer nothing and I mean nothing. They haven’t won anything of note and have a waning fan base. They don’t carry their market or even have market penetration. They don’t get to ride UCF’s coattails into a lifeboat. I’d legitimately rather have fau if they need another Florida school.

(07-28-2022 04:50 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 04:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Why do anything now, need To wait and see what the playoff format will be, if it’s a 10+6, then I think it’s better to have a smaller conference and houston would be better off staying in the AAC

No, no, no!!

Not if you have to please the beauty pageant judges that select the playoff teams, they'll see to it the AAC schedule just doesn't cut it, I'll bet anyone $5 on that.

Besides, there's no way you can sustain a championship football program on the AAC payout. Yes, we've been relatively successful in the AAC, but it's come only in spurts, same for UCF and Cincy. The ONLY way to continuously be able to reload every year is to have that P5 level investments that you just cannot sustain on the AAC payroll.

I'd rather we take our chances fighting it out in the B12 every year than once every few years put a contender on the field in the AAC.

Of course no selection committee beauty pageants, good lord

(07-28-2022 04:58 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:35 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I'm not against westward expansion, but I think other teams are still in play from Cali that would bolster the B12 more than SDSU. But in the meantime, I think we need to continue to urge the currently mentioned PAC teams (Az,ASU,CU,UT) to defect, citing the game times and TV $$ reasons and hope those PAC teams come to their senses and realize their B12 prejudices just aren't worth risking a healthy payday.

Cal will never join. Stanford/UO/WU are B1G or bust. Those programs, not even one of them, will ever join the Big 12. They will stay together until the B1G calls, and Utah/CO will stick with them until that time.

So who else is left? If they want Cali, you take SDSU. Especially if that moves Zona over the edge. You have a few options for 15/16 down the road, but not strong ones. Cal won't be one unless BYU is moved out, which can't happen.

As of now, the only better option is USF. Colorado is NOT coming until the PAC loses 2-4 additional schools to the B1G. We know they are going to target SDSU as an AU backfill.

Personally, I'd add Memphis or USF depending on what their metrics say, along with Zona, and let SDSU take the PAC lifeline. But Yormark is a BBall guy and if SDSU is what AU wants, then that's who they are taking.

I legit question the credibility of anyone advocating usf. They offer nothing and I mean nothing. They haven’t won anything of note and have a waning fan base. They don’t carry their market or even have market penetration. They don’t get to ride UCF’s coattails into a lifeboat. I’d legitimately rather have fau if they need another Florida school.

If that's what the reality is (and I'm not sure I can trust a UCF guy but I'll go with it even though as an outsider I disagree with all of that), take Memphis. They need to consolidate this thing.

West: SDSU AU ASU (best combo outside four corners)
East: Memphis/USF

That's the home run that's achievable. Not Utah, CO, and if you're really smoking the good stuff, WU and UO...

So what happens if the PAC4 somehow ended up in the B1G within the next ten years, and Utah and CO are still sitting there? You can still take them to get to 18, because the SEC will look to keep pace and raid FSU Clemson. Then UCF becomes the number one candidate for the ACC, or perhaps USF but what do I know? If the SEC takes UNC/UVa? WVU and UC gain a lot more traction in the ACC. Don't deny that this is a possibility.

Squeezing the PAC... 8 at that point (without their backfill in my above scenario) is really the only play, but ASU is being such a thorn in the side. With SDSU, you might be able to convince them, since they'd be a conference mate with them in either the PAC12 or Big 12 down the line.

If I'm Yormark, I'm looking at the Zonas and if I can't land ASU, I take SDSU to squeeze ASU, and I have one of the rumored options east to get to 16. That creates stability and weakens three rival conferences in one swoop. If CO comes, even better, but it's obviously they are not eager to get remarried to the Big12 any time soon.

Oof

haha the bottom 3 are the top targets (along with #1). haha.

(07-28-2022 04:58 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:35 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I'm not against westward expansion, but I think other teams are still in play from Cali that would bolster the B12 more than SDSU. But in the meantime, I think we need to continue to urge the currently mentioned PAC teams (Az,ASU,CU,UT) to defect, citing the game times and TV $$ reasons and hope those PAC teams come to their senses and realize their B12 prejudices just aren't worth risking a healthy payday.

Cal will never join. Stanford/UO/WU are B1G or bust. Those programs, not even one of them, will ever join the Big 12. They will stay together until the B1G calls, and Utah/CO will stick with them until that time.

So who else is left? If they want Cali, you take SDSU. Especially if that moves Zona over the edge. You have a few options for 15/16 down the road, but not strong ones. Cal won't be one unless BYU is moved out, which can't happen.

As of now, the only better option is USF. Colorado is NOT coming until the PAC loses 2-4 additional schools to the B1G. We know they are going to target SDSU as an AU backfill.

Personally, I'd add Memphis or USF depending on what their metrics say, along with Zona, and let SDSU take the PAC lifeline. But Yormark is a BBall guy and if SDSU is what AU wants, then that's who they are taking.

I legit question the credibility of anyone advocating usf. They offer nothing and I mean nothing. They haven’t won anything of note and have a waning fan base. They don’t carry their market or even have market penetration. They don’t get to ride UCF’s coattails into a lifeboat. I’d legitimately rather have fau if they need another Florida school.

USF good lord no! FB sucks, MBB sucks more! They have no FB stadium.

(07-28-2022 06:15 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  haha the bottom 3 are the top targets (along with #1). haha.

After taking penn state, the B1G wanted to secure the region so took Rutgers and Maryland. Both with large market reach.
After taking byu, the big12 wanted to secure the region with so looking at the c4, with an eye toward market reach.

(07-28-2022 06:15 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  haha the bottom 3 are the top targets (along with #1). haha.

Only No. 1 is a worthwhile addition. The others are dead weight in football.

I'd take Arizona for basketball, but Colorado and Arizona State would be disasters.

(07-28-2022 07:53 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 06:15 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  haha the bottom 3 are the top targets (along with #1). haha.

After taking penn state, the B1G wanted to secure the region so took Rutgers and Maryland. Both with large market reach.
After taking byu, the big12 wanted to secure the region with so looking at the c4, with an eye toward market reach.

Rutgers and Maryland have both been disastrous additions for the Big Ten. Why would we want to repeat that mistake?

Unlike the Big Ten, we can't afford to commit spots to crappy programs that add nothing to the league.

(07-28-2022 04:23 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Why do anything now, need To wait and see what the playoff format will be, if it’s a 10+6, then I think it’s better to have a smaller conference and houston would be better off staying in the AAC

there is almost no question that schools like Houston, UCF and Cincy will look best and remember their 'best' season as being within the AAC. UCF whenever they beat auburn in that sugar bowl, Cincy last year, UH well I can't remember I guess when they won that ny 6 bowl awhile back....

The issue is now UCF and Cincy and UH are playing generally tougher teams(even though they still aren't great opponents as a whole), but they are still going to be viewed the same.....

it's not like the powers that be give a sh*t that these three schools are now in a different conference by name.....btw still a conference(when texas and OU leave) that is without an anchor program. Florida isn't going to give UCF that 1 for 1 they asked for just because now they are in a conference with Texas Tech and Kansas State rather than Memphis and whoever lol......

and the bigten and sec are going to completely control what happens with the playoff. There is no sense that programs like that are going to be getting a bigger piece of the playoff pie. Less, if anything. The only team in the 'new' big12 to ever get a playoff bid was cincy, and that didn't work out too well. I don't see any reason why the georgias, alabamas, and ohio states of the world are going to expand opportunity for the playoffs.....thats not how this is shaping out to work lol....

(07-28-2022 07:58 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 07:53 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 06:15 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  haha the bottom 3 are the top targets (along with #1). haha.

After taking penn state, the B1G wanted to secure the region so took Rutgers and Maryland. Both with large market reach.
After taking byu, the big12 wanted to secure the region with so looking at the c4, with an eye toward market reach.

Rutgers and Maryland have both been disastrous additions for the Big Ten. Why would we want to repeat that mistake?

Unlike the Big Ten, we can't afford to commit spots to crappy programs that add nothing to the league.

plus cable and sat subscribers are falling by 4 million per year and accelerating and will be half of what they were here soon

(07-28-2022 04:58 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:52 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 12:35 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  I'm not against westward expansion, but I think other teams are still in play from Cali that would bolster the B12 more than SDSU. But in the meantime, I think we need to continue to urge the currently mentioned PAC teams (Az,ASU,CU,UT) to defect, citing the game times and TV $$ reasons and hope those PAC teams come to their senses and realize their B12 prejudices just aren't worth risking a healthy payday.

Cal will never join. Stanford/UO/WU are B1G or bust. Those programs, not even one of them, will ever join the Big 12. They will stay together until the B1G calls, and Utah/CO will stick with them until that time.

So who else is left? If they want Cali, you take SDSU. Especially if that moves Zona over the edge. You have a few options for 15/16 down the road, but not strong ones. Cal won't be one unless BYU is moved out, which can't happen.

As of now, the only better option is USF. Colorado is NOT coming until the PAC loses 2-4 additional schools to the B1G. We know they are going to target SDSU as an AU backfill.

Personally, I'd add Memphis or USF depending on what their metrics say, along with Zona, and let SDSU take the PAC lifeline. But Yormark is a BBall guy and if SDSU is what AU wants, then that's who they are taking.

I legit question the credibility of anyone advocating usf. They offer nothing and I mean nothing. They haven’t won anything of note and have a waning fan base. They don’t carry their market or even have market penetration. They don’t get to ride UCF’s coattails into a lifeboat. I’d legitimately rather have fau if they need another Florida school.

from the perspective of schools like Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Ohio State, Michigan, etc....there is absolutely no difference between USF and UCF. Hell the ADs of each of those schools(as well as their fans) almost certainly probably confuse them now. The fact that one plays in the 'new' big12 now doesn't do a damn thing to change that......

the only time Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia,Bama, etc will ever play in Orlando or Tampa is when they miss out on the biggest bowls and have to play in the citrus or outback bowls.(whatever they are known as now). And that's independent of what the name of the conference UCF and USF play in.

(07-28-2022 11:58 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 10:11 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 08:55 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  I’m ok with SDSU as a means to get Arizona. However tradition matters in college football. I’d still take the four corner schools first if possible. I can see Auburn giving Colorado or Arizona st a home and home. I can’t see Auburn playing @ SDSU

Jackson

Auburn has played home and homes over the last 20 years with programs like Syracuse and West Virginia....but more recently, there last home and home contract was with penn state. Do you think penn State and Colorado/ASU are similar types of programs.....

Also consider that the sec will be moving to 9 conference games shortly. I wouldn't say it's absolutely impossible Colorado or ASU get a 1 and 1 with a team like Auburn, but it's not too damn likely either....

And outside of Oklahoma State(who has a track record of getting good 1 and 1's), the rest of the 'new' big 12 is going to have the same problem.

Looks like Colorado has a home and home with Florida in a few years. WVU has a home and home with Alabama starting in a few. Better do your homework before just posting garbage

Jackson

ummm...that proves my point. I specifically listed West Virginia(in this very thread) and Oklahoma State as two big12 schools who have actually done ok at getting some decent 1 and 1s(with some failures along the way it should note). But they are the exception in the big12.....schools like UCF being laughed at when they ask are more the rule.

(07-28-2022 09:41 PM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 11:58 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 10:11 AM)okiestate1979 Wrote:  

(07-28-2022 08:55 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  I’m ok with SDSU as a means to get Arizona. However tradition matters in college football. I’d still take the four corner schools first if possible. I can see Auburn giving Colorado or Arizona st a home and home. I can’t see Auburn playing @ SDSU

Jackson

Auburn has played home and homes over the last 20 years with programs like Syracuse and West Virginia....but more recently, there last home and home contract was with penn state. Do you think penn State and Colorado/ASU are similar types of programs.....

Also consider that the sec will be moving to 9 conference games shortly. I wouldn't say it's absolutely impossible Colorado or ASU get a 1 and 1 with a team like Auburn, but it's not too damn likely either....

And outside of Oklahoma State(who has a track record of getting good 1 and 1's), the rest of the 'new' big 12 is going to have the same problem.

Looks like Colorado has a home and home with Florida in a few years. WVU has a home and home with Alabama starting in a few. Better do your homework before just posting garbage

Jackson

ummm...that proves my point. I specifically listed West Virginia(in this very thread) and Oklahoma State as two big12 schools who have actually done ok at getting some decent 1 and 1s(with some failures along the way it should note). But they are the exception in the big12.....schools like UCF being laughed at when they ask are more the rule.

If the bar for your realignment scenarios is “can you get a 1-1 with blue bloods”, then I don’t know what to tell you. And UCF has been more nationally relevant than Ok State in the last 7 or 8 years. Get off your high horse. I don’t see Ok State playing Alabama or Ohio State either.