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It's Late July 2022, Where Do We Go From Here?
We will have a pause now. Focus will shift to the upcoming season. Once Big Ten media days are over realignment talk will subside, but realignment work will continue in the background. The ACC schools will be looking for a way out of their untimely cage and if they can find one, they'll be in background talks with the B1G, SEC, and ESPN trying to find placement for as many as they can in each and working with ESPN to perhaps build a third new conference. N.D. will wait to see the general direction of the ACC before announcing their move. And meanwhile back at the B1G Headquarters they'll be playing free Willie (UCLA). If that fails, say hello to the Cardinal and Dancing Sequoia.

The season will be played while details are worked out and sometime shortly after the CFP final Notre Dame will kick it off with an announced move a year or two out (likely 2025) with 3 more ACC schools, perhaps Duke, Virginia and Pitt/Cuse.

Then within a few days 4 ACC schools to the SEC will be announced. Perhaps they will be UNC, Clemson, FSU, and Miami or NC State. The rest of the moves will be worked out but not released until after the NCAA tourney is over. At that time the B1G could pick up more PAC schools while the SEC rounds out with ACC schools and perhaps Kansas. Summer of 2023 a new conference will be born out of the remnants.

If we do head into players unions and pay for play, I suspect some names will drop out and you might see a 3 x 20 instead of a 3 x 24, or a mixture of the 2 configurations.

If the ACC sticks out the duration of their GOR I could see the SEC and B1G both divvying up the West for markets and late nighttime slots to expand their windows and TV money. The ACC would essentially be bypassed and priced out.

I could see SEC interest in USF, Kansas, Colorado, other current B12 schools, and perhaps Utah and Arizona schools. It would be odd to be sure but could revitalize those programs reached by healthier conferences.

My odds say the ACC realizes their no-win situation and chooses to be part of the new world coming upon us whether we like it or not.
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What if the SEC decided upon a combination of strategies, east & west??

As a War Between the States history buff, I remember that the Coonfederacy did try to expand to the west in the early days of its existence, but was stopped at the Battle of Glorietta Pass, if I'm not mistaken, which basically ended the South's hopes to go west just like Gettysburg ended the South's hopes of going north.

Let's say that the SEC decides to "go beyond Glorietta Pass" and convince some of the Pac 12 schools to join, like a few of the 4 corners PAC schools.
A combination of ACC and Pac 12 targets would allow the SEC to progress along two fronts: football & basketball, as well as add a new dimension to the equation: late night programming, something that shouldn't be dismissed, IMHO.

Since the SEC loves rivalries:

Georgia, Florida, Tennesee , Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina , Virginia Tech, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arizona, Arizona State, Louisville, NC State/Duke

definitely big, but definitely lots of rivalries. Not only is football very strong, but so is basketball!!
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RE: It's Late July 2022, Where Do We Go From Here?
(07-23-2022 09:47 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What if the SEC decided upon a combination of strategies, east & west??

As a War Between the States history buff, I remember that the Coonfederacy did try to expand to the west in the early days of its existence, but was stopped at the Battle of Glorietta Pass, if I'm not mistaken, which basically ended the South's hopes to go west just like Gettysburg ended the South's hopes of going north.

Let's say that the SEC decides to "go beyond Glorietta Pass" and convince some of the Pac 12 schools to join, like a few of the 4 corners PAC schools.
A combination of ACC and Pac 12 targets would allow the SEC to progress along two fronts: football & basketball, as well as add a new dimension to the equation: late night programming, something that shouldn't be dismissed, IMHO.

Since the SEC loves rivalries:

Georgia, Florida, Tennesee , Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina , Virginia Tech, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arizona, Arizona State, Louisville, NC State/Duke

definitely big, but definitely lots of rivalries. Not only is football very strong, but so is basketball!!

I enjoy watching the in-state/backyard rivalries. That’s important. Planting flags in new markets may appeal most to networks, but undervaluing close-by traditional rivalries would be disappointing. Games such as Texas vs aTm, Alabama vs Auburn, or even Georgia vs Georgia Tech, can receive good ratings nationwide depending on timing. A major challenge is that so many in-state, in some instances neighboring state, go up against each other on rivalry Saturday. How would, for example, the Clemson-South Carolina game be received if it was scheduled earlier in the season? Is such too anti-climatic?

Bedlum, Iowa State-Iowa, and a few others perhaps, are not season ending games. But the scheduling pattern for those games have long been ingrained.

With conference championship games, and playoff and bowl bids may be on the line, the last regular season opponent often matters highly.
07-26-2022 07:56 PM
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RE: It's Late July 2022, Where Do We Go From Here?
(07-26-2022 07:56 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(07-23-2022 09:47 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What if the SEC decided upon a combination of strategies, east & west??

As a War Between the States history buff, I remember that the Coonfederacy did try to expand to the west in the early days of its existence, but was stopped at the Battle of Glorietta Pass, if I'm not mistaken, which basically ended the South's hopes to go west just like Gettysburg ended the South's hopes of going north.

Let's say that the SEC decides to "go beyond Glorietta Pass" and convince some of the Pac 12 schools to join, like a few of the 4 corners PAC schools.
A combination of ACC and Pac 12 targets would allow the SEC to progress along two fronts: football & basketball, as well as add a new dimension to the equation: late night programming, something that shouldn't be dismissed, IMHO.

Since the SEC loves rivalries:

Georgia, Florida, Tennesee , Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina , Virginia Tech, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arizona, Arizona State, Louisville, NC State/Duke

definitely big, but definitely lots of rivalries. Not only is football very strong, but so is basketball!!

I enjoy watching the in-state/backyard rivalries. That’s important. Planting flags in new markets may appeal most to networks, but undervaluing close-by traditional rivalries would be disappointing. Games such as Texas vs aTm, Alabama vs Auburn, or even Georgia vs Georgia Tech, can receive good ratings nationwide depending on timing. A major challenge is that so many in-state, in some instances neighboring state, go up against each other on rivalry Saturday. How would, for example, the Clemson-South Carolina game be received if it was scheduled earlier in the season? Is such too anti-climatic?

Bedlum, Iowa State-Iowa, and a few others perhaps, are not season ending games. But the scheduling pattern for those games have long been ingrained.

With conference championship games, and playoff and bowl bids may be on the line, the last regular season opponent often matters highly.

You just need Thanksgiving, Black Friday, the last Saturday of November and perhaps Monday to spread them out.
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RE: It's Late July 2022, Where Do We Go From Here?
(07-26-2022 08:08 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-26-2022 07:56 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
(07-23-2022 09:47 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  What if the SEC decided upon a combination of strategies, east & west??

As a War Between the States history buff, I remember that the Coonfederacy did try to expand to the west in the early days of its existence, but was stopped at the Battle of Glorietta Pass, if I'm not mistaken, which basically ended the South's hopes to go west just like Gettysburg ended the South's hopes of going north.

Let's say that the SEC decides to "go beyond Glorietta Pass" and convince some of the Pac 12 schools to join, like a few of the 4 corners PAC schools.
A combination of ACC and Pac 12 targets would allow the SEC to progress along two fronts: football & basketball, as well as add a new dimension to the equation: late night programming, something that shouldn't be dismissed, IMHO.

Since the SEC loves rivalries:

Georgia, Florida, Tennesee , Auburn, Alabama, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Texas A&M, Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina , Virginia Tech, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arizona, Arizona State, Louisville, NC State/Duke

definitely big, but definitely lots of rivalries. Not only is football very strong, but so is basketball!!

I enjoy watching the in-state/backyard rivalries. That’s important. Planting flags in new markets may appeal most to networks, but undervaluing close-by traditional rivalries would be disappointing. Games such as Texas vs aTm, Alabama vs Auburn, or even Georgia vs Georgia Tech, can receive good ratings nationwide depending on timing. A major challenge is that so many in-state, in some instances neighboring state, go up against each other on rivalry Saturday. How would, for example, the Clemson-South Carolina game be received if it was scheduled earlier in the season? Is such too anti-climatic?

Bedlum, Iowa State-Iowa, and a few others perhaps, are not season ending games. But the scheduling pattern for those games have long been ingrained.

With conference championship games, and playoff and bowl bids may be on the line, the last regular season opponent often matters highly.

You just need Thanksgiving, Black Friday, the last Saturday of November and perhaps Monday to spread them out.

Keep the Egg Bowl (Hail State vs Ole Piss) Thanksgiving night.
07-27-2022 08:23 AM
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Dodd dropping some info today:


Industry sources tell CBS Sports that Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington would not bring requisite value as the 16 teams that will make up the league in 2024 with USC and UCLA in the fold. That could lead to the four programs taking substantially less revenue than existing members just to have long-term security in the Big Ten.


The revenue cut taken by Cal, Oregon, Stanford and Washington in joining the Big Ten -- compared to other conference members -- would need to be "significant," industry sources say. That would present a headache to rightsholders trying to restructure a deal already in place.

Such a move would strip the Pac-12 of half its members. Sources indicate the Pac-12 would most likely have to reform to stay afloat with invitations to the likes of San Diego State and Fresno State. One label put on that grouping was "Mountain West Plus."

The Pac-12 could be in danger on two fronts. The Big 12 is also zeroing on westward expansion with Arizona, at least, according to sources. There is no indication if Arizona State would follow, though CBS Sports previously reported that ASU, Colorado and Utah were the Big 12's targets. San Diego State is in play for both the Pac-12 and Big 12, sources indicate.


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(07-23-2022 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We will have a pause now. Focus will shift to the upcoming season. Once Big Ten media days are over realignment talk will subside, but realignment work will continue in the background. The ACC schools will be looking for a way out of their untimely cage and if they can find one, they'll be in background talks with the B1G, SEC, and ESPN trying to find placement for as many as they can in each and working with ESPN to perhaps build a third new conference. N.D. will wait to see the general direction of the ACC before announcing their move. And meanwhile back at the B1G Headquarters they'll be playing free Willie (UCLA). If that fails, say hello to the Cardinal and Dancing Sequoia.

The season will be played while details are worked out and sometime shortly after the CFP final Notre Dame will kick it off with an announced move a year or two out (likely 2025) with 3 more ACC schools, perhaps Duke, Virginia and Pitt/Cuse.

Then within a few days 4 ACC schools to the SEC will be announced. Perhaps they will be UNC, Clemson, FSU, and Miami or NC State. The rest of the moves will be worked out but not released until after the NCAA tourney is over. At that time the B1G could pick up more PAC schools while the SEC rounds out with ACC schools and perhaps Kansas. Summer of 2023 a new conference will be born out of the remnants.

If we do head into players unions and pay for play, I suspect some names will drop out and you might see a 3 x 20 instead of a 3 x 24, or a mixture of the 2 configurations.

If the ACC sticks out the duration of their GOR I could see the SEC and B1G both divvying up the West for markets and late nighttime slots to expand their windows and TV money. The ACC would essentially be bypassed and priced out.

I could see SEC interest in USF, Kansas, Colorado, other current B12 schools, and perhaps Utah and Arizona schools. It would be odd to be sure but could revitalize those programs reached by healthier conferences.

My odds say the ACC realizes their no-win situation and chooses to be part of the new world coming upon us whether we like it or not.
Do you see Vanderbilt keeping up with the new SEC ways of doing business or do you see them dropping football or all sports? Also, where would a replacement come from?
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(07-27-2022 01:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(07-23-2022 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We will have a pause now. Focus will shift to the upcoming season. Once Big Ten media days are over realignment talk will subside, but realignment work will continue in the background. The ACC schools will be looking for a way out of their untimely cage and if they can find one, they'll be in background talks with the B1G, SEC, and ESPN trying to find placement for as many as they can in each and working with ESPN to perhaps build a third new conference. N.D. will wait to see the general direction of the ACC before announcing their move. And meanwhile back at the B1G Headquarters they'll be playing free Willie (UCLA). If that fails, say hello to the Cardinal and Dancing Sequoia.

The season will be played while details are worked out and sometime shortly after the CFP final Notre Dame will kick it off with an announced move a year or two out (likely 2025) with 3 more ACC schools, perhaps Duke, Virginia and Pitt/Cuse.

Then within a few days 4 ACC schools to the SEC will be announced. Perhaps they will be UNC, Clemson, FSU, and Miami or NC State. The rest of the moves will be worked out but not released until after the NCAA tourney is over. At that time the B1G could pick up more PAC schools while the SEC rounds out with ACC schools and perhaps Kansas. Summer of 2023 a new conference will be born out of the remnants.

If we do head into players unions and pay for play, I suspect some names will drop out and you might see a 3 x 20 instead of a 3 x 24, or a mixture of the 2 configurations.

If the ACC sticks out the duration of their GOR I could see the SEC and B1G both divvying up the West for markets and late nighttime slots to expand their windows and TV money. The ACC would essentially be bypassed and priced out.

I could see SEC interest in USF, Kansas, Colorado, other current B12 schools, and perhaps Utah and Arizona schools. It would be odd to be sure but could revitalize those programs reached by healthier conferences.

My odds say the ACC realizes their no-win situation and chooses to be part of the new world coming upon us whether we like it or not.
Do you see Vanderbilt keeping up with the new SEC ways of doing business or do you see them dropping football or all sports? Also, where would a replacement come from?

I'm not JR, but I believe that Vandy would do whatever it takes to stay in the SEC. I have said this before, only to be criticized a lot for saying it, but I could see Vandy getting a partial SEC membership (no football). I could see Vandy football going to the Pioneer League.
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(07-31-2022 02:04 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(07-27-2022 01:38 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(07-23-2022 05:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  We will have a pause now. Focus will shift to the upcoming season. Once Big Ten media days are over realignment talk will subside, but realignment work will continue in the background. The ACC schools will be looking for a way out of their untimely cage and if they can find one, they'll be in background talks with the B1G, SEC, and ESPN trying to find placement for as many as they can in each and working with ESPN to perhaps build a third new conference. N.D. will wait to see the general direction of the ACC before announcing their move. And meanwhile back at the B1G Headquarters they'll be playing free Willie (UCLA). If that fails, say hello to the Cardinal and Dancing Sequoia.

The season will be played while details are worked out and sometime shortly after the CFP final Notre Dame will kick it off with an announced move a year or two out (likely 2025) with 3 more ACC schools, perhaps Duke, Virginia and Pitt/Cuse.

Then within a few days 4 ACC schools to the SEC will be announced. Perhaps they will be UNC, Clemson, FSU, and Miami or NC State. The rest of the moves will be worked out but not released until after the NCAA tourney is over. At that time the B1G could pick up more PAC schools while the SEC rounds out with ACC schools and perhaps Kansas. Summer of 2023 a new conference will be born out of the remnants.

If we do head into players unions and pay for play, I suspect some names will drop out and you might see a 3 x 20 instead of a 3 x 24, or a mixture of the 2 configurations.

If the ACC sticks out the duration of their GOR I could see the SEC and B1G both divvying up the West for markets and late nighttime slots to expand their windows and TV money. The ACC would essentially be bypassed and priced out.

I could see SEC interest in USF, Kansas, Colorado, other current B12 schools, and perhaps Utah and Arizona schools. It would be odd to be sure but could revitalize those programs reached by healthier conferences.

My odds say the ACC realizes their no-win situation and chooses to be part of the new world coming upon us whether we like it or not.
Do you see Vanderbilt keeping up with the new SEC ways of doing business or do you see them dropping football or all sports? Also, where would a replacement come from?

I'm not JR, but I believe that Vandy would do whatever it takes to stay in the SEC. I have said this before, only to be criticized a lot for saying it, but I could see Vandy getting a partial SEC membership (no football). I could see Vandy football going to the Pioneer League.
Vanderbilt has an impressive endowment. They don’t want to spend it all on football.
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