(07-08-2022 12:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:35 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:49 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is leap years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

There's a reason all JMU, NDSU, and Big Sky fans call them Soft Houston. Every time they play an actual good(or even just pretty good) FCS team in a normal season they lose by about 30 if they're lucky and closer to 60 if they're not. So yeah, if a lot depends on how they turn out and how quickly I've got bad news for you guys.

Bonus: Here is how the team that beat them 42-19 in the semi fared against NDSU in the championship. 28-0 at halftime.

Sam Houston State is already recruiting like an FBS team. They rated 121st in recruiting last year, which beat Troy, Texas State, and ULM, not all that far behind Louisiana or Ga. Southern.

That's nothing to brag about for a team that doesn't already have an FBS roster

Those rankings are otherwise useless because teams fill what they need and rankings are a gimmick, but in this case, I'd find that data point actively concerning for SHSU

Teams aren't going to snap their fingers coming from FCS and suddenly be ranked high. I can't even find JMU in the rankings. It may take a couple years - just saying Sam Houston St. is off to a good start.

That is because teams like TXST are using the transfer portal. Troy too. And those recruits typically don't get counted as part of the rankings. Troy has like three new 4-star transfers that would boost their recruiting rank if counted. TXST has higher rated recruits using the portal than they ever had coming out of high school. Of course it has its own issues as many are coming off injuries or didn't live up to their high school rankings.

(07-08-2022 02:56 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:39 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:35 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:49 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  There's a reason all JMU, NDSU, and Big Sky fans call them Soft Houston. Every time they play an actual good(or even just pretty good) FCS team in a normal season they lose by about 30 if they're lucky and closer to 60 if they're not. So yeah, if a lot depends on how they turn out and how quickly I've got bad news for you guys.

Bonus: Here is how the team that beat them 42-19 in the semi fared against NDSU in the championship. 28-0 at halftime.

Sam Houston State is already recruiting like an FBS team. They rated 121st in recruiting last year, which beat Troy, Texas State, and ULM, not all that far behind Louisiana or Ga. Southern.

That's nothing to brag about for a team that doesn't already have an FBS roster

Those rankings are otherwise useless because teams fill what they need and rankings are a gimmick, but in this case, I'd find that data point actively concerning for SHSU

Teams aren't going to snap their fingers coming from FCS and suddenly be ranked high. I can't even find JMU in the rankings. It may take a couple years - just saying Sam Houston St. is off to a good start.

That is because teams like TXST are using the transfer portal. Troy too. And those recruits typically don't get counted as part of the rankings. Troy has like three new 4-star transfers that would boost their recruiting rank if counted. TXST has higher rated recruits using the portal than they ever had coming out of high school. Of course it has its own issues as many are coming off injuries or didn't live up to their high school rankings.

That doesn't fly because in 2022 247 started updating their rankings for the transfer portal. They are included now and effect the overall grade.

(07-08-2022 03:00 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 02:56 PM)slycat Wrote:  That is because teams like TXST are using the transfer portal. Troy too. And those recruits typically don't get counted as part of the rankings. Troy has like three new 4-star transfers that would boost their recruiting rank if counted. TXST has higher rated recruits using the portal than they ever had coming out of high school. Of course it has its own issues as many are coming off injuries or didn't live up to their high school rankings.

That doesn't fly because in 2022 247 started updating their rankings for the transfer portal. They are included now and effect the overall grade.

It's an imperfect system. Like any other part of the 247 system, the transfer portal is weighted heavily by quantity. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, because ten 4-Stars is better than two 4-Stars. That said, I'm very happy with who we've gotten through the transfer portal. Two of our 4-Star guys (high school ratings) do not have a transfer rating because they will be freshman at Troy, redshirted, and no meaningful tape exists to judge their post signing athleticism. Am I just to assume they're 0-Stars now because they transferred to Troy? One of those guys had a 95 on 247, in 2020.

247 recruiting ratings are meaningful at the extremes, not so much in the weeds. This is what most people don't understand. Troy has an average of 82.24 roster strength on 247. Liberty has an 82.31. Congratulations? It just doesn't mean much to me at this level.

(07-08-2022 12:29 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:04 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is leap years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I think your choice of 'leap years' is pretty funny.
USM could go 0 fer and I would still prefer them as conference mates than LU.
If you are pinning your hopes and dreams on Sam and Jacksonville St, it's going to be a long few years for ya.

Not to mention in that word salad of excuses he posted, he failed to say that their loss in 21 was preceded by their loss to us in 19. So they are now oh fer 2 agaisnt us.

Also, I’m still waiting for him to tell us who those ‘bottom teams’ in the SBC are.

Loss in 2019 was garbage. Hugh Freeze, in his first year coaching, missed over 3 vital weeks of practice right before the season with a staph infection. He was not on the sideline for our game vs. Syracuse or Louisiana, and predictably, Liberty's offense struggled. When he got back to the sidelines, it was amazing how suddenly the offense fell into place.

My boy received a PHD in ExcuseMaking from LU.

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

(07-08-2022 12:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:04 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is leap years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I think your choice of 'leap years' is pretty funny.
USM could go 0 fer and I would still prefer them as conference mates than LU.
If you are pinning your hopes and dreams on Sam and Jacksonville St, it's going to be a long few years for ya.

Not to mention in that word salad of excuses he posted, he failed to say that their loss in 21 was preceded by their loss to us in 19. So they are now oh fer 2 agaisnt us.

Also, I’m still waiting for him to tell us who those ‘bottom teams’ in the SBC are.

I wasn't told who they were. Just told Liberty was next up after So Miss and that top teams wanted Liberty, but bottom teams were worried about their resource advantage.

Clearly, your sources were wrong.

(07-08-2022 07:46 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:04 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is leap years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I think your choice of 'leap years' is pretty funny.
USM could go 0 fer and I would still prefer them as conference mates than LU.
If you are pinning your hopes and dreams on Sam and Jacksonville St, it's going to be a long few years for ya.

Not to mention in that word salad of excuses he posted, he failed to say that their loss in 21 was preceded by their loss to us in 19. So they are now oh fer 2 agaisnt us.

Also, I’m still waiting for him to tell us who those ‘bottom teams’ in the SBC are.

I wasn't told who they were. Just told Liberty was next up after So Miss and that top teams wanted Liberty, but bottom teams were worried about their resource advantage.

Clearly, your sources were wrong.

Probably worse than wrong. Just so happens everything unprovable was spun in a suspiciously pro-Liberty, Liberty-reassuring way.

The bottom teams were jealous and afraid of us, what can ya do?

(07-08-2022 08:31 PM)ODU-Z8 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:46 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:33 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 12:27 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 11:04 AM)ragin4u Wrote:  I think your choice of 'leap years' is pretty funny.
USM could go 0 fer and I would still prefer them as conference mates than LU.
If you are pinning your hopes and dreams on Sam and Jacksonville St, it's going to be a long few years for ya.

Not to mention in that word salad of excuses he posted, he failed to say that their loss in 21 was preceded by their loss to us in 19. So they are now oh fer 2 agaisnt us.

Also, I’m still waiting for him to tell us who those ‘bottom teams’ in the SBC are.

I wasn't told who they were. Just told Liberty was next up after So Miss and that top teams wanted Liberty, but bottom teams were worried about their resource advantage.

Clearly, your sources were wrong.

Probably worse than wrong. Just so happens everything unprovable was spun in a suspiciously pro-Liberty, Liberty-reassuring way.

The bottom teams were jealous and afraid of us, what can ya do?

It ain't easy being better than everybody else.

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

(07-09-2022 08:02 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

FIU got a new athletic director, new football coach. They have the enrollment, location, and means to turn things around. New Mexico State and Jacksonville State hired very successful coaches. I think you will see better from some CUSA teams because they will realize part of why they were left out in realignment and have to be better.

(07-09-2022 08:13 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 08:02 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

FIU got a new athletic director, new football coach. They have the enrollment, location, and means to turn things around. New Mexico State and Jacksonville State hired very successful coaches. I think you will see better from some CUSA teams because they will realize part of why they were left out in realignment and have to be better.

I think you will soon see why literally everyone wanted out of CUSA. The biggest reasons are still in those high priced office digs in Dallas.

(07-09-2022 08:13 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 08:02 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

FIU got a new athletic director, new football coach. They have the enrollment, location, and means to turn things around. New Mexico State and Jacksonville State hired very successful coaches. I think you will see better from some CUSA teams because they will realize part of why they were left out in realignment and have to be better.

So you think they were perfectly fine with how they performed before getting left out and all of a sudden getting left out is going to make them better?

(07-09-2022 08:02 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

In fairness, a lot of the speculation about leaving was before the 4 teams were added. ODU and Marshall were extremely close to staying.

(07-09-2022 09:06 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 08:02 AM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 06:14 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:52 AM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

For the record, I never said the Sun Belt was "inferior." Obviously in football and baseball, it's better. It's got a better geographic fit. In basketball, it is light years even behind the new CUSA. All I was saying is that overall, the Sun Belt is much better, but the gap may not be as big as some believe. Years ago everyone thought CUSA was better. A lot depends on how Sam Houston St. and Jacksonville St. turn out and how quickly.

I would quit while I wasn't quite that far behind. Otherwise you may get embarrassed bigtime if you keep it up. You're not going to win on the Sun Belt BBS board.

CUSA’s gap to everyone else is so big that 9 teams have left or will be leaving, while 4 of the remaining 5 also tried, and the only reason FIU didn’t is that they might not actually exist.

In fairness, a lot of the speculation about leaving was before the 4 teams were added. ODU and Marshall were extremely close to staying.

CUSA the organization is broken and has been for a number of years. You’d do best to cut loose everyone in Dallas immediately and start a new conference staff from scratch. I have no ill will toward Liberty or NMSU or the call ups but you will see.

Liberty was never brought up for discussion. Marshall was always the immediate option behind USM. Liberty's chance would have been ODU supporting them for the 4th addition, but ODU preferred to play in a league with JMU, so the Flames were never brought up.

(07-08-2022 10:40 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

Most Liberty fans have been the most vocal about wanting AAC or SBC. Their biggest historic rival and the other VA/WV schools are all in the SBC. it's obvious where they'll rather be. They are just forced to make the best of the current situation that is CUSA.

As is UTEP, La Tech, WKU, and even MTSU.

Jax State, NMSU, FIU, and SHSU are just grateful to be in a conference. Better to be in a conference like C-USA than left out like UMass.

(07-09-2022 01:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Liberty was never brought up for discussion. Marshall was always the immediate option behind USM. Liberty's chance would have been ODU supporting them for the 4th addition, but ODU preferred to play in a league with JMU, so the Flames were never brought up.

Alright Chief then I have a question. If we were to expand to 16 and ECU isn't an option would Liberty have any chance at making it in the East or would it be WKU 100%? Would they rank 3rd behind WKU if they were to fall through and go MAC, for example?

(07-09-2022 01:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 01:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Liberty was never brought up for discussion. Marshall was always the immediate option behind USM. Liberty's chance would have been ODU supporting them for the 4th addition, but ODU preferred to play in a league with JMU, so the Flames were never brought up.

Alright Chief then I have a question. If we were to expand to 16 and ECU isn't an option would Liberty have any chance at making it in the East or would it be WKU 100%? Would they rank 3rd behind WKU if they were to fall through and go MAC, for example?

It's clearly LT and LU.

(07-09-2022 01:45 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 10:40 AM)TealNation Wrote:  

(07-08-2022 07:16 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  Isn’t it just fascinating that on the one hand these coosa posters, on the coosa board, go on and on and on about how ‘over-hyped’ the SBC is, that they are so much better than us, etc., etc. Yet these same people come here and try their best to convince of how close they came to be part of this ‘inferior’ conference. Kinda mind blowing.

Most Liberty fans have been the most vocal about wanting AAC or SBC. Their biggest historic rival and the other VA/WV schools are all in the SBC. it's obvious where they'll rather be. They are just forced to make the best of the current situation that is CUSA.

As is UTEP, La Tech, WKU, and even MTSU.

Jax State, NMSU, FIU, and SHSU are just grateful to be in a conference. Better to be in a conference like C-USA than left out like UMass.

I agree. The worst thing is to not be in a conference.

(07-09-2022 01:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(07-09-2022 01:33 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Liberty was never brought up for discussion. Marshall was always the immediate option behind USM. Liberty's chance would have been ODU supporting them for the 4th addition, but ODU preferred to play in a league with JMU, so the Flames were never brought up.

Alright Chief then I have a question. If we were to expand to 16 and ECU isn't an option would Liberty have any chance at making it in the East or would it be WKU 100%? Would they rank 3rd behind WKU if they were to fall through and go MAC, for example?

ECU and WKU, yes. Beyond that, we probably just wouldn't add. The Western division is pretty against adding anyone out east that's not ECU at the moment.