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So what is trickling around?


Came across this and wondered what exactly the source was, but it makes a lot of sense in conjunction with what's already been discussed in various circles.

Anyway, here's a thought...

Rather than the ACC dissolving, what if they let go of a few key members like this while simultaneously adding some others and getting a better contract to go along with their long term GOR? Would that be amenable to the ACC schools that would otherwise be left out?

It might make sense when it comes down to it. If the ACC isn't totally splitting up then its ESPN contract can still be played for certain advantages.

Let these 4 go...Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia

And then make room for large additions from the middle of the country? Instead of ESPN trying to sign the Big 12, what about just absorbing part of it into the existing ACC contract?
07-03-2022 01:32 AM
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RE: So what is trickling around?
(07-03-2022 01:32 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

Came across this and wondered what exactly the source was, but it makes a lot of sense in conjunction with what's already been discussed in various circles.

Anyway, here's a thought...

Rather than the ACC dissolving, what if they let go of a few key members like this while simultaneously adding some others and getting a better contract to go along with their long term GOR? Would that be amenable to the ACC schools that would otherwise be left out?

It might make sense when it comes down to it. If the ACC isn't totally splitting up then its ESPN contract can still be played for certain advantages.

Let these 4 go...Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia

And then make room for large additions from the middle of the country? Instead of ESPN trying to sign the Big 12, what about just absorbing part of it into the existing ACC contract?

I tracked this down for you. It's a tweet based on a Bret McMurphy piece in which he said the SEC was looking at candidates. He specifically said North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson and Florida State. He said there were others and didn't name them.

The SEC does not initiate moves. So, each of these has likely called. If these 4 are unattached it's a very strong 4. Two AAU state flagships with a combined market of 21 million. The best second school in Florida, and the hottest football program in the ACC. Clear those to 20 and you can be much more picky getting to 24 if you needed or wanted to do so.
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RE: So what is trickling around?
(07-03-2022 03:57 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 01:32 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

Came across this and wondered what exactly the source was, but it makes a lot of sense in conjunction with what's already been discussed in various circles.

Anyway, here's a thought...

Rather than the ACC dissolving, what if they let go of a few key members like this while simultaneously adding some others and getting a better contract to go along with their long term GOR? Would that be amenable to the ACC schools that would otherwise be left out?

It might make sense when it comes down to it. If the ACC isn't totally splitting up then its ESPN contract can still be played for certain advantages.

Let these 4 go...Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia

And then make room for large additions from the middle of the country? Instead of ESPN trying to sign the Big 12, what about just absorbing part of it into the existing ACC contract?

I tracked this down for you. It's a tweet based on a Bret McMurphy piece in which he said the SEC was looking at candidates. He specifically said North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson and Florida State. He said there were others and didn't name them.

The SEC does not initiate moves. So, each of these has likely called. If these 4 are unattached it's a very strong 4. Two AAU state flagships with a combined market of 21 million. The best second school in Florida, and the hottest football program in the ACC. Clear those to 20 and you can be much more picky getting to 24 if you needed or wanted to do so.

If that scenario happened with those four. There are plausible replacements that could: WVU, Cincinnati, UCF, and USF; that’s 4 respectable additions that fit the ACC’s footprint. Iowa State would be a good pick.

Tulane, Memphis, TCU, SMU, KSU, maybe Rice, could work. Baylor wins.
Kansas? Some may end-up joining PAC remnants.

Oklahoma State is an undervalued power. They could dominate.

TTU? How far west would they go?

There is always Temple, ECU, UConn, Navy/Army options.

East Division 10:
BC, ‘Cuse, VPI, NCSU, WFU, Duke, GT, Miami, UCF, USF

West Division 10:
Pitt, WVU, ISU, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis, TCU, SMU, Tulane, Rice

Houston, Baylor, TTU, Okla. State, Kansas, KSU— join with PAC schools not going to the BIG.

OK, I will stop with the semi-fantasy.
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It is interesting to me that the three schools I keep hearing are Clemson, FSU and Miami. I don't think Miami would be mentioned pre NIL. I know it's all about the money at this point but I still like the cultural fit of NC State and VT. I recognize they don't add what is needed like UNC/UVA.
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(07-03-2022 08:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  It is interesting to me that the three schools I keep hearing are Clemson, FSU and Miami. I don't think Miami would be mentioned pre NIL. I know it's all about the money at this point but I still like the cultural fit of NC State and VT. I recognize they don't add what is needed like UNC/UVA.

I agree Soobahk, I know it isn't what is likely to happen because of the $, that other sport, and the academics, but I truly hope that UNC & UVA go north and take Duke with them. NC State & VA Tech would fit much better in the SEC, IMO. From what JR has said (and I agree with his analysis, I remember reading about an enormous preference among UNC fans years ago for SEC over B1G if they had to move) we might have some chance of getting Tech instead of UVA at least.
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RE: So what is trickling around?
(07-03-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  It is interesting to me that the three schools I keep hearing are Clemson, FSU and Miami. I don't think Miami would be mentioned pre NIL. I know it's all about the money at this point but I still like the cultural fit of NC State and VT. I recognize they don't add what is needed like UNC/UVA.

I agree Soobahk, I know it isn't what is likely to happen because of the $, that other sport, and the academics, but I truly hope that UNC & UVA go north and take Duke with them. NC State & VA Tech would fit much better in the SEC, IMO. From what JR has said (and I agree with his analysis, I remember reading about an enormous preference among UNC fans years ago for SEC over B1G if they had to move) we might have some chance of getting Tech instead of UVA at least.

Hey, if I was making the call, it would be Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Va Tech. UVa has a special kind of hubris. UNC's is nouveau riche by comparison. If we add hoops, I still like Kansas. Their fans are actually down to earth.
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RE: So what is trickling around?
(07-03-2022 08:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  It is interesting to me that the three schools I keep hearing are Clemson, FSU and Miami. I don't think Miami would be mentioned pre NIL. I know it's all about the money at this point but I still like the cultural fit of NC State and VT. I recognize they don't add what is needed like UNC/UVA.

I agree Soobahk, I know it isn't what is likely to happen because of the $, that other sport, and the academics, but I truly hope that UNC & UVA go north and take Duke with them. NC State & VA Tech would fit much better in the SEC, IMO. From what JR has said (and I agree with his analysis, I remember reading about an enormous preference among UNC fans years ago for SEC over B1G if they had to move) we might have some chance of getting Tech instead of UVA at least.

Hey, if I was making the call, it would be Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Va Tech. UVa has a special kind of hubris. UNC's is nouveau riche by comparison. If we add hoops, I still like Kansas. Their fans are actually down to earth.

I agree on UVA - UNC, UNC isn't as pretentious and I think they'd improve further given time in the SEC and away from UVA & Duke. If we could get UNC without their friends and send UVA to the B1G with their "grounds" and "first years" I'd be happy. I like your 5, that would make 21 and divide nicely -

West - Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU
Central - Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
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(07-03-2022 09:27 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 08:23 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  It is interesting to me that the three schools I keep hearing are Clemson, FSU and Miami. I don't think Miami would be mentioned pre NIL. I know it's all about the money at this point but I still like the cultural fit of NC State and VT. I recognize they don't add what is needed like UNC/UVA.

I agree Soobahk, I know it isn't what is likely to happen because of the $, that other sport, and the academics, but I truly hope that UNC & UVA go north and take Duke with them. NC State & VA Tech would fit much better in the SEC, IMO. From what JR has said (and I agree with his analysis, I remember reading about an enormous preference among UNC fans years ago for SEC over B1G if they had to move) we might have some chance of getting Tech instead of UVA at least.

Hey, if I was making the call, it would be Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Va Tech. UVa has a special kind of hubris. UNC's is nouveau riche by comparison. If we add hoops, I still like Kansas. Their fans are actually down to earth.

I agree on UVA - UNC, UNC isn't as pretentious and I think they'd improve further given time in the SEC and away from UVA & Duke. If we could get UNC without their friends and send UVA to the B1G with their "grounds" and "first years" I'd be happy. I like your 5, that would make 21 and divide nicely -

West - Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Missouri, LSU
Central - Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky
East - Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, Virginia Tech

The ACC would be smart to cut a deal with the SEC along with broadcaster ESPN. The NC-4 needs one split-off. Keep Georgia Tech in the SEC/ACC. Letting the BIG have GT would be a strategic and marketing mistake. Keep BIG out of Virginia too. Get WVU and Cincy into the ACC. Hold Miami. Add Kansas in the scheme.

Notre Dame “could” be lost to the BIG.

The BIG has planted its flag in PAC country. SEC make clear the full region that’s yours.
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