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(07-10-2022 01:48 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 03:54 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Just a thought, but if ND is #17 and they stop there, you can do a 2-7/7 schedule—2 permanent rivals and still see everyone else every other year.

I’ll bust out a spreadsheet and try to sort out the best way to do rivals but that’s probably the best financial model for the Big 10.

I'll be the Debbie-downer with the reminder that 9 conference games does not split evenly among an odd number of teams. I think they could "figure it out". Maybe Stanford goes independent with a 5 game commitment to the Big Ten, evening things out.

if anyone in that scenario was going to be going independent, I might hazard to guess it might be someone other than Stanford : )
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Nevadabuck thinks Oregon has a chance.

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(07-26-2022 03:47 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Nevadabuck thinks Oregon has a chance.


I wouldn't believe a word those idiots say.
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(07-09-2022 02:34 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I really, really hope they go south with Georgia Tech, Florida State and Miami. The Ohio State University has an ENORMOUS amount of alumni there and I can feel them pushing hard for this. The only location missing would be Texas, but the SEC has absorbed that area with really great additions of Texas and A&M.

It would be interesting to see value? Did this get posted and I overlooked it? I know there was info on Oregon and Washington being ~40 mil. under value needed? Crazy! But I'd love to know the value of Miami, FSU and Georgia Tech as a group. Is there any way they are valued at 300 million a year? Money sucks!!!

Clemson brings more value to the table than Miami does. All you need is one school in the state for the BTN to be carried there on basic cable.
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There are only 5 AAU schools in the ACC: UNC, Duke, Virginia, GT and Pitt. Those are the only ACC schools the Big Ten would consider.

ND would be the only non-AAU school they would accept.

Big12 only Kansas and Iowa St.

Most of PAC12 is AAU.
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(07-26-2022 01:38 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  There are only 5 AAU schools in the ACC: UNC, Duke, Virginia, GT and Pitt. Those are the only ACC schools the Big Ten would consider.

ND would be the only non-AAU school they would accept.

Big12 only Kansas and Iowa St.

Most of PAC12 is AAU.

I wouldn't be too sure about that...
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(07-27-2022 11:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-26-2022 01:38 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  There are only 5 AAU schools in the ACC: UNC, Duke, Virginia, GT and Pitt. Those are the only ACC schools the Big Ten would consider.

ND would be the only non-AAU school they would accept.

Big12 only Kansas and Iowa St.

Most of PAC12 is AAU.

I wouldn't be too sure about that...

I don't believe for a second that the Big Ten would take FSU or Miami
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(07-27-2022 12:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(07-27-2022 11:14 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-26-2022 01:38 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  There are only 5 AAU schools in the ACC: UNC, Duke, Virginia, GT and Pitt. Those are the only ACC schools the Big Ten would consider.

ND would be the only non-AAU school they would accept.

Big12 only Kansas and Iowa St.

Most of PAC12 is AAU.

I wouldn't be too sure about that...

I don't believe for a second that the Big Ten would take FSU or Miami

I don’t know..a Florida presence is pretty attractive and both of those schools are borderline AAU schools and likely will be eventually.

Going after them as a pair and then settling with the SEC for just Miami would be a good deal.
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(07-27-2022 12:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I don't believe for a second that the Big Ten would take FSU or Miami

US News - Top Public Schools - 2021-2022

3 University of Michigan
14 University of Wisconsin
15 University of Illinois
17 Ohio State University
17 Purdue University
18 Florida State University
20 University of Maryland
23 Pennsylvania State University
23 Rutgers University
26 Indiana University
26 University of Minnesota
33 Michigan State University
33 University of Iowa
64 University of Nebraska

Is it because of the geography? Shouldn't be due to FSU's academic standing (especially taking into account the trajectory) and hard push for AAU membership with the rapidly expanding med school mission and new research facilities going up in Tallahassee and Panama City, along with a ton of STEM growth. The whole state of FL was way behind on research for a century (Johnny-Come-Lately State in certain ways...thank you air conditioning!). I doubt the B1G leadership is worried about FSU as an institution or its trend. FSU stacks up damn well and will only get stronger. Would you like to see how they stack up against the SEC?

I do agree that ND, UNC and UVA are probably the B1G's Top 3 on the board. But I would not remotely be surprised if FSU is #4, at least of its East of the Mississippi targets.

PS I don't think academics would hinder Miami's invitation either, but I don't know they'd be considered for other reasons (small private school, no on-campus stadium).
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AAU
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(07-28-2022 07:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  AAU

Yes, the B1G can consider waiting and then trying to pull them from the SEC upon admission to the AAU (which is increasingly likely). I do still think the SEC is the likely destination for FSU. I'd expect they'd settle in for the long haul once that happens. Or maybe the whole thing blows up and we're no longer even talking about the "B1G" and "SEC" in another decade.

In the meantime, the B1G should just go all in on the Pacific and pick up enough good brands to build a solid division out there. A stand-alone L.A. outpost will be nightmare in the long haul. I don't like the direction the B1G went with the last few additions beyond understanding the short/medium-term benefit$. It was always my favorite ol' conference but it's just not the same.
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Yes, I agree. B1G should go with the additional PAC expansion at this time.
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(07-27-2022 07:58 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  
(07-27-2022 12:08 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I don't believe for a second that the Big Ten would take FSU or Miami

US News - Top Public Schools - 2021-2022

3 University of Michigan
14 University of Wisconsin
15 University of Illinois
17 Ohio State University
17 Purdue University
18 Florida State University
20 University of Maryland
23 Pennsylvania State University
23 Rutgers University
26 Indiana University
26 University of Minnesota
33 Michigan State University
33 University of Iowa
64 University of Nebraska

Is it because of the geography? Shouldn't be due to FSU's academic standing (especially taking into account the trajectory) and hard push for AAU membership with the rapidly expanding med school mission and new research facilities going up in Tallahassee and Panama City, along with a ton of STEM growth. The whole state of FL was way behind on research for a century (Johnny-Come-Lately State in certain ways...thank you air conditioning!). I doubt the B1G leadership is worried about FSU as an institution or its trend. FSU stacks up damn well and will only get stronger. Would you like to see how they stack up against the SEC?

I do agree that ND, UNC and UVA are probably the B1G's Top 3 on the board. But I would not remotely be surprised if FSU is #4, at least of its East of the Mississippi targets.

PS I don't think academics would hinder Miami's invitation either, but I don't know they'd be considered for other reasons (small private school, no on-campus stadium).

Mostly an SEC guy here but following as the expansion drama unfolds. Big 10 is smart to leak FSU as an option. Might make SEC do something hasty (I think the SEC is smart enough to know where FSU stands, but they might) like take USF.

Miami is an interesting school. Great history, decent enough academics. Private school that wants to play big time football may be a plus to keep conferences from having to deal with FOIA requests (especially if say vandy dropped football or deemphasized it). No on campus stadium hurts, but... in a world of NILs, Miami has a huge new advantage.
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Add all 4 but replace CAL with Utah. Much better Football/Sports school, are AAU and would somewhat be a geographical bridge between the West Schools and current ones.
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(07-15-2022 09:17 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Notre Dame and Pitt.

Penn State, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland would make a great Eastern Pod.
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(07-28-2022 07:26 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  AAU

Check out this thread.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-950863.html

There are several schools which could receive an AAU invite, which could subsequently receive a Big10 invite
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As an outsider I'd like to add my 2 cents I think the B1G should go south Lets be honest Rutgers and Maryland weren't added because they were national FB powerhouses. It's about markets, eyeballs and exposure. Is AAU membership an actual requirement or is that just rumor like the contiguous state rumor? Getting to the point, go to 20 with

Miami or Florida St (Miami probably the better fit) Adds state of Florida

. Georgia Tech. Brings Atlanta and gets access to state of Georgia. Yes FB isnt the best option but GaTech brings other benefits

Notre Dame (obviously)

I'm going off the board with this next one and it would work better if ND was in. Syracuse

I know this is unpopular but hear me out.
Officially gets New York State into B1G territory
Combined with Rutgers, PSU, Michigan, ND OSU and Miami locks up the NYC market. The B1G would have 7 of the 10 most popular teams in NYC (Army. BC and UConn being the others)
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The B1G took 2 in L.A. Why not make it 2 in Florida and grab Florida St and Miami. Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon, Washington make 22. Add Georgia Tech and California for 24.

Atlantic: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, Notre Dame, Rutgers
Central: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Midwest: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue
Pacific: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC counters with Clemson, Colorado, Duke, Kansas, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia, and Virginia Tech for 24.

Coastal: Clemson, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Texas A&M
Southwest: Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
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(08-07-2022 08:40 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  As an outsider I'd like to add my 2 cents I think the B1G should go south Lets be honest Rutgers and Maryland weren't added because they were national FB powerhouses. It's about markets, eyeballs and exposure. Is AAU membership an actual requirement or is that just rumor like the contiguous state rumor? Getting to the point, go to 20 with

Miami or Florida St (Miami probably the better fit) Adds state of Florida

. Georgia Tech. Brings Atlanta and gets access to state of Georgia. Yes FB isnt the best option but GaTech brings other benefits

Notre Dame (obviously)

I'm going off the board with this next one and it would work better if ND was in. Syracuse

I know this is unpopular but hear me out.
Officially gets New York State into B1G territory
Combined with Rutgers, PSU, Michigan, ND OSU and Miami locks up the NYC market. The B1G would have 7 of the 10 most popular teams in NYC (Army. BC and UConn being the others)

I don’t think you’re off base at all—ND, Miami, FSU, and GT would be a huge catch. FL and GA are the two biggest states in the Southeast and 2 of the top 8 in the country.
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