Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
ICThawk Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 168
Joined: Jun 2018
Reputation: 49
I Root For: KU
Location:
Post: #1
How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
With the "rumors" of B1G expansion with USC/UCLA, does the SEC "react" to that in some way, or with the OU/T expansion simply ignore it?
06-30-2022 06:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,872
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 126
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #2
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
Unless the ACC schools can break free from their GOR, nada.

This is still the best conference in football.
06-30-2022 06:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,872
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 126
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #3
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
Most important question of the day in the SEC is: who has called them? Hope JrSEC finds some info on that and shared it.
06-30-2022 07:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 31,778
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 4721
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #4
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(06-30-2022 07:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Most important question of the day in the SEC is: who has called them? Hope JrSEC finds some info on that and shared it.

North Carolina and Clemson have been in talks since days after OU and UT leaked. Clemson spoke on behalf of FSU and UNC on behalf of Duke. No telling how many others have been in talks.

One Kansas fan I know says UT, A&M, Mizzou, and OU have lobbied for them. Think minimally in terms of 4 and maximally in terms of 8.

Oregon and Washington joined USC and UCLA tonight in applying to the Big 10. Stanford is rumored to be next. Notre Dame is believed to be the 6th.

Duke, UNC, Clemson, Kansas, or FSU or Miami in the first 4.

Virginia, Virginia Tech, 2 of Kansas or FSU or Miami, or NC St or Ga Tech to 8.

ESPN has schools it wants to keep and the SEC has some it wants.
(This post was last modified: 06-30-2022 08:40 PM by JRsec.)
06-30-2022 08:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ICThawk Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 168
Joined: Jun 2018
Reputation: 49
I Root For: KU
Location:
Post: #5
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(06-30-2022 08:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-30-2022 07:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Most important question of the day in the SEC is: who has called them? Hope JrSEC finds some info on that and shared it.

North Carolina and Clemson have been in talks since days after OU and UT leaked. Clemson spoke on behalf of FSU and UNC on behalf of Duke. No telling how many others have been in talks.

One Kansas fan I know says UT, A&M, Mizzou, and OU have lobbied for them. Think minimally in terms of 4 and maximally in terms of 8.

Oregon and Washington joined USC and UCLA tonight in applying to the Big 10. Stanford is rumored to be next. Notre Dame is believed to be the 6th.

Duke, UNC, Clemson, Kansas, or FSU or Miami in the first 4.

Virginia, Virginia Tech, 2 of Kansas or FSU or Miami, or NC St or Ga Tech to 8.

ESPN has schools it wants to keep and the SEC has some it wants.

Question: When/if the SEC moves, what would be the expected timeline?
06-30-2022 09:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


murrdcu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,872
Joined: Aug 2014
Reputation: 126
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #6
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/23/no...n-1-change

Gives some hope for the SEC having a shot at ND. Swarbuck worked extensively with Sankey on the expanded playoff format and didn’t think the OU/UT realignment was a Machiavellian move. He also thought the way the Alliance reacted and stalled deliberations bizarre and the strangest he’s ever seen. We’ll see how this plays out as it’ll be the President that signs off on the final move.
06-30-2022 11:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 31,778
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 4721
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #7
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(06-30-2022 09:00 PM)ICThawk Wrote:  
(06-30-2022 08:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(06-30-2022 07:33 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Most important question of the day in the SEC is: who has called them? Hope JrSEC finds some info on that and shared it.

North Carolina and Clemson have been in talks since days after OU and UT leaked. Clemson spoke on behalf of FSU and UNC on behalf of Duke. No telling how many others have been in talks.

One Kansas fan I know says UT, A&M, Mizzou, and OU have lobbied for them. Think minimally in terms of 4 and maximally in terms of 8.

Oregon and Washington joined USC and UCLA tonight in applying to the Big 10. Stanford is rumored to be next. Notre Dame is believed to be the 6th.

Duke, UNC, Clemson, Kansas, or FSU or Miami in the first 4.

Virginia, Virginia Tech, 2 of Kansas or FSU or Miami, or NC St or Ga Tech to 8.

ESPN has schools it wants to keep and the SEC has some it wants.

Question: When/if the SEC moves, what would be the expected timeline?

The ACC reaction and ND's impending announcement will determine all of that, I think. The Big 10 will pick what they want now from the PAC 12. Should they look East it will start. Should Clemson and FSU get extremely antsy it will start. Should UNC, Duke and UVa get the deal they like it will start.
06-30-2022 11:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
jhawkmvp Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 443
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 35
I Root For: Kansas
Location: Over the Rainbow
Post: #8
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
Figured I would check out the SEC reaction to the news. Any PAC schools you could see the SEC going after if for some reason the ACC is a long term nut to crack and the B1G drags it's feet about adding more PAC schools?

I figure KU will be fine eventually. It just depends on how long it take for the B1G and SEC to really go after complete control of college sports by going 20+ and gutting the other conferences of the remaining best FB and BB programs.
07-01-2022 12:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 31,778
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 4721
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #9
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-01-2022 12:03 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  Figured I would check out the SEC reaction to the news. Any PAC schools you could see the SEC going after if for some reason the ACC is a long term nut to crack and the B1G drags it's feet about adding more PAC schools?

I figure KU will be fine eventually. It just depends on how long it take for the B1G and SEC to really go after complete control of college sports by going 20+ and gutting the other conferences of the remaining best FB and BB programs.

Don't know when protocol is cleared in the PAC but expect Oregon, Washington, and Stanford join USC and UCLA. Notre Dame joins as football only until the ACC dissolves. And w/o ND it dissolves if ESPN makes sure all programs have an upper tier landing spot with a little more money and access.

The New Big 12 becomes the 3rd P conference adding Arizona State, Oregon State, Washington State. And picking up the ACC remnant. This ends opposition to completing the changes and ends the liability issues.

If things break right I could see Kansas in the SEC's new West:
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M or Arkansas depending upon A&M.
07-01-2022 12:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Soobahk40050 Online
1st String
*

Posts: 1,313
Joined: Mar 2013
Reputation: 74
I Root For: Tennessee
Location:
Post: #10
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
I am finding all this out a day late. But I seriously doubt that Sankey and the SEC were as shocked by it all as I was.

If the Big 10 stops at 16-20 (Oregon/Stanford/Washington/ND), then I don't think the SEC has to do anything.

OK/Texas fits the SEC. USC/UCLA is a market grab, albeit a huge and effective one.

There are no "market grab" schools available to the SEC at the moment.

If the Big goes to 24, then the potential for the ACC GOR to be broken gets larger. FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State, UNC, Duke, UVAa nd GT/Pitt are all options at that point.

But the question is what will get paid for. Assuming the Rose becomes a Big 10 championship game, it will get very interesting very quick.
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2022 06:08 AM by Soobahk40050.)
07-01-2022 06:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bigblueblindness Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,060
Joined: Apr 2013
Reputation: 48
I Root For: UK, Lipscomb
Location: Kentucky
Post: #11
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-01-2022 06:07 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I am finding all this out a day late. But I seriously doubt that Sankey and the SEC were as shocked by it all as I was.

If the Big 10 stops at 16-20 (Oregon/Stanford/Washington/ND), then I don't think the SEC has to do anything.

OK/Texas fits the SEC. USC/UCLA is a market grab, albeit a huge and effective one.

There are no "market grab" schools available to the SEC at the moment.

If the Big goes to 24, then the potential for the ACC GOR to be broken gets larger. FSU, Clemson, VT, NC State, UNC, Duke, UVAa nd GT/Pitt are all options at that point.

But the question is what will get paid for. Assuming the Rose becomes a Big 10 championship game, it will get very interesting very quick.

I think we all know the usual suspects who make sense for the SEC when the ACC GOR is figured out, whether this month or in the mid 2030's. What interests me is what could have been for the SEC had several schools been in different situations when this USC/UCLA move arose.

With Texas and Oklahoma now in the stall, there could have been an opportunity for the SEC to swoop through and basically become the "Southern Conference" because it would have been the conference of the southwest and southeast. Outside of a few ivory towers within their premier schools, the regular population within the states of Kansas, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona are quite similar to most of our footprint. Culturally and politically, Colorado leans a bit blue and Utah/Kansas a bit red with Arizona as a swing. Missouri, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky (not to mention the Nashville metro with Vanderbilt) live in this realm, and we all get along just fine. None of them are revenue adders to the current and future SEC, which is ultimately why it will not happen. However, what could have made each of them viable?

Kansas - Some semblance of hope for at least consistent mediocrity out of their football program. They are already in the neighborhood when it comes to annual revenue to be a break-even add, but they are a tough pill to swallow because of the most important sport.

Colorado - Feels like a carbon copy of Missouri with a bit less recent on-field success. Tremendous upside as state in the coming decades for a futures bet wherever they land.

Utah - I think they would fit the SEC like a glove in many cultural regards, but there is just not enough juice to start with in terms of revenue generation, and it will take them decades to grow into it, especially with how much of their state is federal government-owned land that cannot be privately developed for population growth/industry. If the full state was behind them instead of split with BYU, they would have a much stronger profile.

Arizona - Years and years ago, if this state had decided to operate athletics like Minnesota, Wisconsin, and so many other states who only push up one institution for power athletics, then they would have a juggernaut on their hands. I think either the University of Arizona or Arizona State University could have been the choice, although ASU's physical location would have been preferred. Independently, I can't talk myself into either for SEC consideration in a world where only two significant conferences exist at the highest level. If there had been only one obvious choice in the state, though, you'd have a $150 million plus school that would be driving the bus in the PAC-12. However, that is also an excuse. The University of Oklahoma has found a way to emerge as a juggernaut with a brother in state, and they definitely don't have any more to work with than the folks in the Arizona schools.

In all, I wish we were talking about how we could pick away Kansas, Colorado, Utah, and either ASU/UA today, but if they had the types of profiles we are seeking, the PAC likely does not find itself in this situation, anyway.
(This post was last modified: 07-01-2022 07:54 AM by bigblueblindness.)
07-01-2022 07:53 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GarnetAndBlue Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 686
Joined: Aug 2021
Reputation: 135
I Root For: FSU & Michigan
Location:
Post: #12
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
"If the Big 10 stops at 16-20 (Oregon/Stanford/Washington/ND), then I don't think the SEC has to do anything."

And therein lies the problem. The 2 remaining big bass (B1G and SEC) in the pond don't want the other to eat up the remaining big minnows. So even though they're both fat and full...they want to eat more just to keep the other fish from getting bigger/stronger.
07-01-2022 10:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Nevermoor Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 26
Joined: Jul 2022
Reputation: 3
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #13
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.
07-05-2022 07:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 31,778
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 4721
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #14
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-05-2022 07:16 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.

Welcome to the board. WVU adds the least value of anyone in the P5 though they have loyal fans and good teams. They've applied twice to the SEC already. Colorado is a bit far away but might interest Texas and it does add markets. Kansas adds more value and population than WVU.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already knows who they want and it likely includes UNC and a Virginia school.
07-05-2022 07:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AllTideUp Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,746
Joined: Jul 2015
Reputation: 342
I Root For: Alabama
Location:
Post: #15
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-05-2022 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:16 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.

Welcome to the board. WVU adds the least value of anyone in the P5 though they have loyal fans and good teams. They've applied twice to the SEC already. Colorado is a bit far away but might interest Texas and it does add markets. Kansas adds more value and population than WVU.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already knows who they want and it likely includes UNC and a Virginia school.

Colorado and Kansas would be an interesting pair. It would complete the absorption of the Big 8 flagships. It wouldn't pay for itself, but if we're talking something large scale then it does make sense.

Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina are the sure bets to me.

Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami also make sense.

Beyond that, not sure if Duke or Virginia Tech makes the most sense.
07-05-2022 08:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Nevermoor Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 26
Joined: Jul 2022
Reputation: 3
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #16
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-05-2022 08:03 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:16 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.

Welcome to the board. WVU adds the least value of anyone in the P5 though they have loyal fans and good teams. They've applied twice to the SEC already. Colorado is a bit far away but might interest Texas and it does add markets. Kansas adds more value and population than WVU.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already knows who they want and it likely includes UNC and a Virginia school.

Colorado and Kansas would be an interesting pair. It would complete the absorption of the Big 8 flagships. It wouldn't pay for itself, but if we're talking something large scale then it does make sense.

Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina are the sure bets to me.

Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami also make sense.

Beyond that, not sure if Duke or Virginia Tech makes the most sense.

That's the thing. I don't know how much actual interest their would or should actually be for redundant market programs. Like Clemson and Florida State. I know Texas was a redundant program but that state is huge. Would FSU be seen in a similar light? I've a hard time seeing Clemson in that light even with the success they have had. It's weird times in the merry-go-round of collegiate athletics. Thanks for the welcome.
07-05-2022 08:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Porcine Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 766
Joined: Oct 2021
Reputation: 92
I Root For: Arkansas, SBC
Location: Northern Arkansas
Post: #17
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-05-2022 08:49 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 08:03 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:16 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.

Welcome to the board. WVU adds the least value of anyone in the P5 though they have loyal fans and good teams. They've applied twice to the SEC already. Colorado is a bit far away but might interest Texas and it does add markets. Kansas adds more value and population than WVU.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already knows who they want and it likely includes UNC and a Virginia school.

Colorado and Kansas would be an interesting pair. It would complete the absorption of the Big 8 flagships. It wouldn't pay for itself, but if we're talking something large scale then it does make sense.

Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina are the sure bets to me.

Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami also make sense.

Beyond that, not sure if Duke or Virginia Tech makes the most sense.

That's the thing. I don't know how much actual interest their would or should actually be for redundant market programs. Like Clemson and Florida State. I know Texas was a redundant program but that state is huge. Would FSU be seen in a similar light? I've a hard time seeing Clemson in that light even with the success they have had. It's weird times in the merry-go-round of collegiate athletics. Thanks for the welcome.

Redundant programs could work if it sold out arenas in a time when attendance is dropping.
07-05-2022 09:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JRsec Offline
Super Moderator
*

Posts: 31,778
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 4721
I Root For: SEC
Location:
Post: #18
RE: How Does The SEC React To Rumored B1G Expansion, Or Does It?
(07-05-2022 09:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 08:49 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 08:03 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-05-2022 07:16 PM)Nevermoor Wrote:  The SEC's ultimate goal should be to add North Carolina and Virginia or Virginia Tech. How they can get there is by adding Colorado and West Virginia. This would put pressure on the ACC programs from fear of being left out. This would also give the SEC what it's been needing. Four divisions of Five teams. This would give the SEC a nine game conference schedule and the possibility of having its own conference playoff. It may seem silly to expand with Colorado and West Virginia. But neither of these programs threaten the establishment and would provide a expanded media footprint.

Welcome to the board. WVU adds the least value of anyone in the P5 though they have loyal fans and good teams. They've applied twice to the SEC already. Colorado is a bit far away but might interest Texas and it does add markets. Kansas adds more value and population than WVU.

I'm pretty sure the SEC already knows who they want and it likely includes UNC and a Virginia school.

Colorado and Kansas would be an interesting pair. It would complete the absorption of the Big 8 flagships. It wouldn't pay for itself, but if we're talking something large scale then it does make sense.

Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina are the sure bets to me.

Virginia, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and Miami also make sense.

Beyond that, not sure if Duke or Virginia Tech makes the most sense.

That's the thing. I don't know how much actual interest their would or should actually be for redundant market programs. Like Clemson and Florida State. I know Texas was a redundant program but that state is huge. Would FSU be seen in a similar light? I've a hard time seeing Clemson in that light even with the success they have had. It's weird times in the merry-go-round of collegiate athletics. Thanks for the welcome.

Redundant programs could work if it sold out arenas in a time when attendance is dropping.

And, through the 1990-2 and 2010-2 realignment we had schools who truly wanted their rivals in house, and we put them off twice. I think the conference takes care of them because frankly Clemson and FSU are the two most SEC like fan bases not in the conference and if we left them out this time it would piss off a lot of SEC fans and two SEC schools and frankly every conference team who wants games in Florida.
07-05-2022 10:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2023 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2023 MyBB Group.