If super conferences do happen, was Frazier ahead of the times with a G5 playoff?

This is one of those times I'm thankful I don't have the energy for more than the most casual attention to college sports outside of NIU.

Money-based moves are what the whole enterprise has been my whole middle-aged life. So I probably shouldn't be surprised that it gets wilder and more extreme over time.

The only thing that I'm really bothered by is the increasing disconnect between "College Football" the brand and college football as a thing for players and fans to tap into. The whole big-money gatekeeping around the brand has been something we've all chafed and rebelled against as fans of an outsider program and there's no way all that won't get worse.

(07-01-2022 10:31 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  This is one of those times I'm thankful I don't have the energy for more than the most casual attention to college sports outside of NIU.

Money-based moves are what the whole enterprise has been my whole middle-aged life. So I probably shouldn't be surprised that it gets wilder and more extreme over time.

The only thing that I'm really bothered by is the increasing disconnect between "College Football" the brand and college football as a thing for players and fans to tap into. The whole big-money gatekeeping around the brand has been something we've all chafed and rebelled against as fans of an outsider program and there's no way all that won't get worse.

Yep. I'm glad we are who we are and where we are. I'm thankful that we'll be able to watch college football the way it was originally meant to be played (except for those damn midweek games). Let the bigger conference get bigger and become mega-conferences. I don't care what they become or if we ever play those teams again. Let the G5 get comfortably bigger with some mid to lower P5 teams, and we can be happy with what we'll have.

(07-01-2022 09:04 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  I don't mind the MAC so much right now. The big guys are headed toward superconferences which will shortly be pro leagues, and that will kind of suck. They will likely leave the NCAA and who knows if players will need to be students at all. It will be like having an XFL franchise play at your school's stadium. It will be good football but I don't see the fan attachment to those teams, maybe that's just me. I prefer the collegiate model, which P5 Have-Nots and G5 will likely stick to. And the P5HN's and G5 might create some interesting new combinations too.

... agree its all about $$$. Who gives a #### if a kid gets an education or God forbidden interacts with non- athletes. You're here to play FB and that is why we pay you. Definitely not an attitude I prescribe to or one that I ever believed in.

You are 18 yrs old, get an education, learn to think and behave. I believe this is what Huskie FB does. It is just another reason why we should be proud of Thomas Hammock and the student athletes he is developing.

Remember as a kid when the two best players would take turns picking their teams. Well it is the SEC's turn. Will it be Clemson/Florida State or Clemson/Notre Dame or will they take the best two TV markets next?

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(07-01-2022 01:26 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  Remember as a kid when the two best players would take turns picking their teams. Well it is the SEC's turn. Will it be Clemson/Florida State or Clemson/Notre Dame or will they take the best two TV markets next?

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an excellent point. USC and UCLA were picked besides their football history and talent because the Big Ten wanted to secure the LA media market. I hope the SEC is interested in the Chicago media market!

(07-01-2022 01:38 PM)The Huskie Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:26 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  Remember as a kid when the two best players would take turns picking their teams. Well it is the SEC's turn. Will it be Clemson/Florida State or Clemson/Notre Dame or will they take the best two TV markets next?

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an excellent point. USC and UCLA were picked besides their football history and talent because the Big Ten wanted to secure the LA media market. I hope the SEC is interested in the Chicago media market!

Yes, and I'm sure if the SEC is interested in the Chicago media market, they will run to pick NIU, which has dominated the Chicago media market.

One thing we are missing is the financial impact on the G5.
Super conferences want more conference games for the
media rights. Thus will squeeze out our money games
and NIU and other G5’s are screwed. Can hardly compete
now, it will be worse will big revenue cuts coming. Unless
weekday TV package can be increased 10 fold. Heck probably
will lose weekdays to new PAC 12 and Big 12 as they struggle
to survive against SEC and Big 10.

(07-01-2022 01:51 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:38 PM)The Huskie Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 01:26 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  Remember as a kid when the two best players would take turns picking their teams. Well it is the SEC's turn. Will it be Clemson/Florida State or Clemson/Notre Dame or will they take the best two TV markets next?

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an excellent point. USC and UCLA were picked besides their football history and talent because the Big Ten wanted to secure the LA media market. I hope the SEC is interested in the Chicago media market!

Yes, and I'm sure if the SEC is interested in the Chicago media market, they will run to pick NIU, which has dominated the Chicago media market.

Everybody always talks about the Chicago market when it comes to college football. NIU does not have a slice. Northwestern's slice is non-existent. U of I has a slice but if you want the Chicago market for college football, then you need to get ND in your conference.
I just hate that an out of state school owns the Chicago market.

(07-01-2022 03:19 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  One thing we are missing is the financial impact on the G5.
Super conferences want more conference games for the
media rights. Thus will squeeze out our money games
and NIU and other G5’s are screwed. Can hardly compete
now, it will be worse will big revenue cuts coming. Unless
weekday TV package can be increased 10 fold. Heck probably
will lose weekdays to new PAC 12 and Big 12 as they struggle
to survive against SEC and Big 10.

NO. The alumni of these powerhouses don't want mediocre or losing records so they will pay us little guys to pad their records.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(07-01-2022 05:03 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 03:19 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  One thing we are missing is the financial impact on the G5.
Super conferences want more conference games for the
media rights. Thus will squeeze out our money games
and NIU and other G5’s are screwed. Can hardly compete
now, it will be worse will big revenue cuts coming. Unless
weekday TV package can be increased 10 fold. Heck probably
will lose weekdays to new PAC 12 and Big 12 as they struggle
to survive against SEC and Big 10.

NO. The alumni of these powerhouses don't want mediocre or losing records so they will pay us little guys to pad their records.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To get to the $1b they are seeking, the B10 will do what the media
wants. Additional conference games. Opportunity will drop and
G5 will scramble fir the crumbs. There is no reason to try and make it
6-6 for a Lower tier bowl. All the bowls will be preset with super conference teams with no regards for winning records. NIU and G5
will be more irrelevant than today by 2025. Enjoy the next few years.

Still better off than just 20 years ago. NIU went 10-2 and didn't even make a bowl game. Beat Alabama which was like a dream but had to listen to it on the radio since there was no TV coverage.

Things ain't so bad, cheer up boys. NIU football isn't going away.

(07-01-2022 06:11 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  Still better off than just 20 years ago. NIU went 10-2 and didn't even make a bowl game. Beat Alabama which was like a dream but had to listen to it on the radio since there was no TV coverage.

Things ain't so bad, cheer up boys. NIU football isn't going away.

NIU football is not going away but it will be different.

(07-01-2022 05:57 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 05:03 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 03:19 PM)HuskieJ Wrote:  One thing we are missing is the financial impact on the G5.
Super conferences want more conference games for the
media rights. Thus will squeeze out our money games
and NIU and other G5’s are screwed. Can hardly compete
now, it will be worse will big revenue cuts coming. Unless
weekday TV package can be increased 10 fold. Heck probably
will lose weekdays to new PAC 12 and Big 12 as they struggle
to survive against SEC and Big 10.

NO. The alumni of these powerhouses don't want mediocre or losing records so they will pay us little guys to pad their records.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To get to the $1b they are seeking, the B10 will do what the media
wants. Additional conference games. Opportunity will drop and
G5 will scramble fir the crumbs. There is no reason to try and make it
6-6 for a Lower tier bowl. All the bowls will be preset with super conference teams with no regards for winning records. NIU and G5
will be more irrelevant than today by 2025. Enjoy the next few years.

That I find truly hard to believe. There will not be bowl games for University of Illinois, Rutgers University, University of Maryland and University of Indiana teams with 3-9 records. Quite to the contrary, the conference bottom feeders will vote as a block to allow G5 games to pad their records. Remember, every team in every conference gets a vote and certain teams that do not perform well historically do not want to crash their fanbases with only one winning season a decade. The G5 conferences are fine!

Once they get the remaining blue bloods out there or feel like their conferences are complete they'll rid themselves of the bottom 10%. (Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, etc) too.

I get a kick out of watching mid-tier p5 teams cry about their new reality. Sorry Texas Tech, you were always closer to NIU than you were to Texas/USC etc.

(07-03-2022 07:01 AM)numbersdontlie Wrote:  Once they get the remaining blue bloods out there or feel like their conferences are complete they'll rid themselves of the bottom 10%. (Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, etc) too.

I get a kick out of watching mid-tier p5 teams cry about their new reality. Sorry Texas Tech, you were always closer to NIU than you were to Texas/USC etc.

Never, ever going to occur. There is more to it than a football team competing for a national title in football as a requirement for a P5 to remain.

Yes, it's fun watching coaches establish programs , recruit players, build facilities for players to see some NIL entity backed by boosters give a kid millions.
I would love to see this revisited one day if a Toledo or EMU did this. This board would explode. You think Hammock is for this? Thinks this helps a sell of a coach who cares, a family atmosphere, facilities, education? Forgot, we are suppose to focus on Sabanand others and just laugh while T A and M and Miami have NIL entities pay millions. Because that's what it's important to focus on.

(07-03-2022 07:01 AM)numbersdontlie Wrote:  Once they get the remaining blue bloods out there or feel like their conferences are complete they'll rid themselves of the bottom 10%. (Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, etc) too.

I get a kick out of watching mid-tier p5 teams cry about their new reality. Sorry Texas Tech, you were always closer to NIU than you were to Texas/USC etc.

Yeah, I don’t think so. Texas Tech has 40K student and a $2 billion endowment. NIU is closer to being a Division II school than Texas Tech.

I think this kind of movement might hurt the lower-level P5 programs more than NIU or Boise St.. We will always get decent recruits, and our TV exposure or $ can't really go further south. Since we're top of the second tier, I feel this only creates potential opportunity for us, or washes right on by. Maybe the mega conferences stop scheduling the P5, but Illinois and Purdue will always need someone to move them to bow eligible, no?

I'm not sure Illinois and Purdue will be hurting that much or care when they accept their $80 million TV checks every year.

(07-03-2022 02:14 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 07:01 AM)numbersdontlie Wrote:  Once they get the remaining blue bloods out there or feel like their conferences are complete they'll rid themselves of the bottom 10%. (Vandy, Rutgers, Northwestern, etc) too.

I get a kick out of watching mid-tier p5 teams cry about their new reality. Sorry Texas Tech, you were always closer to NIU than you were to Texas/USC etc.

Yeah, I don’t think so. Texas Tech has 40K student and a $2 billion endowment. NIU is closer to being a Division II school than Texas Tech.

Texas' endowment is 31B. Last time I checked 2 is closer to 0 than to 31.