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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
(10-25-2022 09:21 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 09:07 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  Do any of you know whether the CAA does a 8-team or a 4-team tournament? In past years it's been 4 but our schedule lists a quarterfinals. This team has the ability to beat anyone on a given night so just getting into the tourney would be great for us no matter what seed.

6 teams qualify. 4 have already clinched a spot. The Tribe would miss the tourney based on current standings. They must win against Monmouth and then hope for help by a loss by Northeastern or Charleston. Northeastern faces Delaware. Charleston faces Hofstra. All games take place Saturday.

It appears that the chances are slightly better than that. W&M must win but, if so, then we would need a non-win by either NE or CofC -- in other words, it doesn't have to be a loss by one of those teams; a tie by either of those teams would also work for us. W&M tied CofC and has a tie against Hofstra and Elon. Here are the scenarios:

W&M must win or we are out. If W&M wins then:

If either CofC or NE loses then W&M is in.
If both CofC and NE win then W&M is out.
If NE ties then W&M is in.
If NE wins and CofC ties then it comes down to tiebreakers:
If Elon beats or ties UNCW then W&M is in because the Tribe tied Elon and CofC lost to Elon; however
If UNCW beats Elon then CofC is in because they tied UNCW and W&M lost to UNCW.

So, just win, baby, and hope that Hofstra has enough incentive to play well enough to beat CofC (they do, because they could take the #2 seed if Elon beats UNCW).
10-25-2022 12:54 PM
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
(10-25-2022 12:54 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 09:21 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 09:07 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  Do any of you know whether the CAA does a 8-team or a 4-team tournament? In past years it's been 4 but our schedule lists a quarterfinals. This team has the ability to beat anyone on a given night so just getting into the tourney would be great for us no matter what seed.

6 teams qualify. 4 have already clinched a spot. The Tribe would miss the tourney based on current standings. They must win against Monmouth and then hope for help by a loss by Northeastern or Charleston. Northeastern faces Delaware. Charleston faces Hofstra. All games take place Saturday.

It appears that the chances are slightly better than that. W&M must win but, if so, then we would need a non-win by either NE or CofC -- in other words, it doesn't have to be a loss by one of those teams; a tie by either of those teams would also work for us. W&M tied CofC and has a tie against Hofstra and Elon. Here are the scenarios:

W&M must win or we are out. If W&M wins then:

If either CofC or NE loses then W&M is in.
If both CofC and NE win then W&M is out.
If NE ties then W&M is in.
If NE wins and CofC ties then it comes down to tiebreakers:
If Elon beats or ties UNCW then W&M is in because the Tribe tied Elon and CofC lost to Elon; however
If UNCW beats Elon then CofC is in because they tied UNCW and W&M lost to UNCW.

So, just win, baby, and hope that Hofstra has enough incentive to play well enough to beat CofC (they do, because they could take the #2 seed if Elon beats UNCW).

Thanks Zorch! That definitely covers all the possibilities.
10-25-2022 12:57 PM
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
Fell to UNCheat
10-26-2022 07:44 AM
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
(10-25-2022 12:57 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 12:54 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 09:21 AM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(10-25-2022 09:07 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  Do any of you know whether the CAA does a 8-team or a 4-team tournament? In past years it's been 4 but our schedule lists a quarterfinals. This team has the ability to beat anyone on a given night so just getting into the tourney would be great for us no matter what seed.

6 teams qualify. 4 have already clinched a spot. The Tribe would miss the tourney based on current standings. They must win against Monmouth and then hope for help by a loss by Northeastern or Charleston. Northeastern faces Delaware. Charleston faces Hofstra. All games take place Saturday.

It appears that the chances are slightly better than that. W&M must win but, if so, then we would need a non-win by either NE or CofC -- in other words, it doesn't have to be a loss by one of those teams; a tie by either of those teams would also work for us. W&M tied CofC and has a tie against Hofstra and Elon. Here are the scenarios:

W&M must win or we are out. If W&M wins then:

If either CofC or NE loses then W&M is in.
If both CofC and NE win then W&M is out.
If NE ties then W&M is in.
If NE wins and CofC ties then it comes down to tiebreakers:
If Elon beats or ties UNCW then W&M is in because the Tribe tied Elon and CofC lost to Elon; however
If UNCW beats Elon then CofC is in because they tied UNCW and W&M lost to UNCW.

So, just win, baby, and hope that Hofstra has enough incentive to play well enough to beat CofC (they do, because they could take the #2 seed if Elon beats UNCW).

Thanks Zorch! That definitely covers all the possibilities.

This team has only won 4 games out of 16. We arent that great. Another year of squandered talent. My view is that we have been middling in mens soccer more often than not and we should be able to accomplish more. That view hasnt been popular on this board, but similar to Daly, Albert found much greater success and I think a change is also due.
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10-29-2022 10:30 AM
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
The Tribe gets into the CAA tourney with a 2-1 win today over Monmouth. They got help from Hofstra who beat Charleston 5-0
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(10-29-2022 10:30 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  This team has only won 4 games out of 16. We arent that great. Another year of squandered talent. My view is that we have been middling in mens soccer more often than not and we should be able to accomplish more. That view hasnt been popular on this board, but similar to Daly, Albert found much greater success and I think a change is also due.

I don't disagree with your assessment about Norris. W&M seems to be slipping further and further behind our peer CAA schools. However, since he actually qualified for the CAAT, I'll at least hope he does well at that (as will you, I'm sure). If he bounces out after one game (likely, since we'll be playing Hofstra) then hopefully Mann looks at the situation carefully. Mann's been here a year now so he should have come up with some informed opinions by now.
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
Saw an interesting post. Hofstra, Elon, Drexel and Northeastern have the most international players. They all finished above us in-conference and overall record. Wonder what the overall trend has been.

Hofstra 16 intl players; 11wins
Elon 14; 10 wins
Drexel 12; 6 wins
Northeastern 9; 6 wins
UNCW 5; 6 wins
WM 5; 5 wins
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
Lost 1-0 to Hofstra in 2OT.
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
So a full roster of international players at $50k each per year and our 5 international players and a group of 9 in-state guys took them to 2OT. For MSOC, we played a financially sound season.
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(11-01-2022 02:00 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Saw an interesting post. Hofstra, Elon, Drexel and Northeastern have the most international players. They all finished above us in-conference and overall record. Wonder what the overall trend has been.

Hofstra 16 intl players; 11wins
Elon 14; 10 wins
Drexel 12; 6 wins
Northeastern 9; 6 wins
UNCW 5; 6 wins
WM 5; 5 wins

Focusing on wins overall isn't a good metric. The change to removing OT and ending games in a tie has elevated the value of a tie, elevated the cost of a loss, and reduced the value of a win. You can still be at the top of a conference based on points with a lot of ties. UNCW proved that. UNCW and Hofstra had the same number of wins in conference play but UNCW had fewer losses that were instead ties, so we finished ahead of them.

Going forward the risk/reward if you are tied late in a game has changed dramatically. Better to hunker down on defense, play the long ball hoping for a breakaway goal, but focus on not risking the tie for a loss. That was the strategy of Elon the entire game against UNCW in our last game.
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RE: Mens Soccer 2022 Season
(11-01-2022 02:00 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Saw an interesting post. Hofstra, Elon, Drexel and Northeastern have the most international players. They all finished above us in-conference and overall record. Wonder what the overall trend has been.

Hofstra 16 intl players; 11wins
Elon 14; 10 wins
Drexel 12; 6 wins
Northeastern 9; 6 wins
UNCW 5; 6 wins
WM 5; 5 wins

Hofstra vs Elon in the CAA final. Hofstra wins 2-1. Hofstra and their expensive scholarships bought back to back CAA championships. International scholarship is the same as an out of state. Its unrealistic to think you can field truly competitive teams with half of the team being in-state, except maybe CA/TX/FL. I dont focus only on wins, but if the W&M is going to again be a power, which it could be, ties arent getting you an at-large.
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(11-12-2022 07:45 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-01-2022 02:00 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Saw an interesting post. Hofstra, Elon, Drexel and Northeastern have the most international players. They all finished above us in-conference and overall record. Wonder what the overall trend has been.

Hofstra 16 intl players; 11wins
Elon 14; 10 wins
Drexel 12; 6 wins
Northeastern 9; 6 wins
UNCW 5; 6 wins
WM 5; 5 wins

Hofstra vs Elon in the CAA final. Hofstra wins 2-1. Hofstra and their expensive scholarships bought back to back CAA championships. International scholarship is the same as an out of state. Its unrealistic to think you can field truly competitive teams with half of the team being in-state, except maybe CA/TX/FL. I dont focus only on wins, but if the W&M is going to again be a power, which it could be, ties arent getting you an at-large.

Another frustrating aspect is that the Tribe played nose to nose and toe to toe with Hofstra this year (0-0 tie in the first game, 1-0 loss in 2OT in the CAAT). With just one or two bounces going their way, that could have been the Tribe hoisting the trophy.
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