(06-18-2022 11:36 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I can tell you’re gonna be a peach. I’m pretty much done with you and your super cheerful demeanor.

You can easily find the answers yourself. Which by its nature isn't the issue, but then say bat S crazy things like SMU’s Moody Coliseum had a renovation so it’s on par with CPC. You literally are a pessimistic, obstinate, hair-trigger hypocrite .

I hope you are an outlier for all Seattle fans, but since you are the only one here, we’ll never know.

His/her name is "outlier". Welcome to the board.

(06-18-2022 11:36 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I can tell you’re gonna be a peach. I’m pretty much done with you and your super cheerful demeanor.

You can easily find the answers yourself. Which by its nature isn't the issue, but then say bat S crazy things like SMU’s Moody Coliseum had a renovation so it’s on par with CPC. You literally are a pessimistic, obstinate, hair-trigger hypocrite .

I hope you are an outlier for all Seattle fans, but since you are the only one here, we’ll never know.

In other words, all the stuff you claimed is bull crap. Nothing to back up your claims, so attack the poster. Pretty much the usual cheerleader type poster that gets his bloomers in a bunch when asked to back up their cheerleading.

SMU spent $40 million on renovations, yeah, just a garbage facility. Rubbish.

(06-18-2022 11:06 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 08:51 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 08:45 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Haha, you obviously have no idea what you are comparing when you say ignorant things like SMU, TCU and Houston remodels could equal College Park Center. No remodel could ever equal CPC. The P5’s are starting g from scratch because we passed them and a remodel would even cut it.

We have a professional sports organization that plays at CPC (Dallas Wings of the WNBA). They compared ours to the Dallas Mavericks.

UT Austin said they were competing with UTA when they made the decision to vacate the Frank Erwin Center for their new digs.

Baylor said they modeled their approach to a new arena after UTA’s.

But what do I know. I just live here and follow local sports.

Again, whose opinion said it was the best in Texas?

Yeah, the Dallas Wings play there because the rent is cheaper than the AA Center. The WNBA also has 2 arenas that hold less than 5,000 fans and 2 arenas located on casino properties that are over 20 years old. So the WNBA surely only deals with “first class facilities” then… LOL

Can you link the articles where UT and Baylor were “competing” and “modeling” their arenas with UTA?

Still need whose opinion said it was number 1 too.

I would think claims like that would have been widely reported across the state. Shouldn’t be hard too find. I distinctly remember Baylor comparing their arena to other Big 12 schools though. I googled it and Big 12 arenas that were a model was the first thing I saw.

https://baylorlariat.com/2018/11/05/bayl...all-arena/

Nope lies. Baylor wants to have a newer College Park Center. They hope to have it more than a 1/4 full though.

(06-18-2022 04:32 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 03:52 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:47 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:40 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  No offense but Arlington is just NOT a good college town. There is too much other stuff to do there that takes away from any home town support. Six Flags Pro Football and Baseball to name a few. It is what it is a commuter college where the average age is not anywhere near the 18-24 range and older folks have different goals than the average college kid.

If and only if there was another push for football FCS should be the only route. No sense in beating your head against wall trying to compete where the deck is stacked against you.

If you cannot excel at basketball, why would you think a FCS program would be “successful” at UTA?

Because Texas is a football first state. Basketball is a second tier sport in Texas.

When is Texas Tech and Baylor making the CFP? Both teams made the National Championship in basketball recently.

And both Texas Tech and Baylor have won W Basketball NCs. Does that mean they are the most dominant and followed sport on Campus? No!

Obviously you have never been in Texas on a Friday night in the fall where folks flock to HS football games. It’s a religion to a lot of hometown fans and that experience for kids carries over into Texas colleges.

Just look at the budgets recruiting expenses and fan attendance for football over basketball let alone the Spring game. Football dominates the air waves. Basketball wouldn’t exist if it had to compete with football in the fall in Texas. This isn’t my opinion it’s just the way it is.

Btw, Baylor has been very successful in football the last decade. Maybe not a NC but they have been in the mix.

Fact is Football involves more folks and brings in a ton more revenue especially in Texas.

UTA already has the largest expense paid for in their stadium. Bringing back FCS as a start could go a long way in helping other sports. JMHO

(06-18-2022 04:32 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 03:52 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:47 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:40 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  No offense but Arlington is just NOT a good college town. There is too much other stuff to do there that takes away from any home town support. Six Flags Pro Football and Baseball to name a few. It is what it is a commuter college where the average age is not anywhere near the 18-24 range and older folks have different goals than the average college kid.

If and only if there was another push for football FCS should be the only route. No sense in beating your head against wall trying to compete where the deck is stacked against you.

If you cannot excel at basketball, why would you think a FCS program would be “successful” at UTA?

Because Texas is a football first state. Basketball is a second tier sport in Texas.

When is Texas Tech and Baylor making the CFP? Both teams made the National Championship in basketball recently.

And both Texas Tech and Baylor have won W Basketball NCs. Does that mean they are the most dominant and followed sport on Campus? No!

Obviously you have never been in Texas on a Friday night in the fall where folks flock to HS football games. It’s a religion to a lot of hometown fans and that experience for kids carries over into Texas colleges.

Just look at the budgets recruiting expenses and fan attendance for football over basketball let alone the Spring game. Football dominates the air waves. Basketball wouldn’t exist if it had to compete with football in the fall in Texas. This isn’t my opinion it’s just the way it is.

Btw, Baylor has been very successful in football the last decade. Maybe not a NC but they have been in the mix.

Fact is Football involves more folks and brings in a ton more revenue especially in Texas.

UTA already has the largest expense paid for in their stadium. Bringing back FCS as a start could go a long way in helping other sports. JMHO

I did not claim that basketball is more popular than football. In Texas or anywhere else. I asked why you think a FCS football team would be successful at UTA, when they’re not even “successful” at basketball. You then said basketball was a second tier sport, not answering the question. I then pointed out Tech and Baylor’s success at basketball, though it’s a “second tier sport”.

To my point, Tech and Baylor will never be able to be as successful at football than they have been at basketball. Even though they spend all this money on it and it’s the popular, it’s still “unsuccessful”. One more time, how could UTA be more successful in football, when they can’t even be successful in basketball?

People in Arlington aren’t going to start supporting some new 3rd rate program, when they have so many other sports entertainment options. Baylor, Tech, UT, and A&M fans aren’t going to waste their time watching UTA football.

Way, way back in the 1950's, I remember when ACU would go over to Arlington for football and the attendance was always around 10,000, sometimes more. I was a kid but the rivalary seemed fun and very natural. I can only remember two games and these were split.

(06-19-2022 03:03 PM)RCI Wrote:  Way, way back in the 1950's, I remember when ACU would to over to Arlington for football and the attendance was always around 10,000, sometimes more. I was a kid but the rivalry seemed fun and very natural. I can only remember two games and these were split.

Thanks for remembering. Abilene Christian, Arlington State, Trinity, Lamar Tech and Arkansas State were the charter members of the Southland Conference in 1964(?), and in those days, ASC played in Memorial Stadium, in the center of the campus. Games were usually sold out, as the teams were pretty good. Our only bowl game as a senior college was the Pecan Bowl, played in Abilene's Shotwell Stadium in 1967.

Someone help me here.

What is the veracity of the claim that if UTA restarts football that FCS is the logical level? Isn't that what this thread is about?

(06-19-2022 03:33 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  Someone help me here.

What is the veracity of the claim that if UTA restarts football that FCS is the logical level? Isn't that what this thread is about?

Because if they had true inspirations of fielding a FBS team, they already had a FBS conference to do so in. Now, if they were to decide to field a FBS team, they would have to receive an invite from CUSA. Which FBS league would you rather have???

No one knows what the plans for UTA athletics will be until we see how our brand new president and AD work together. Our previous president was not interested in football so it didn’t happen. The president before him was very active in our athletics and pushed for the CPC to be built. If he had not retired I’m fairly certain we’d already have football by now. If UTSA can start a program from scratch and have success it can certainly happen for UTA. One thing there isn’t a shortage of in Texas is high quality football talent.

For me the biggest sign that our new president and AD are remotely on board with football would be if they finally start the women’s soccer team we were promised years ago.

New leadership could eventually encourage them to bring back football and I'd be all for it. Would add another Texas school into the mix and as mentioned they already have a 12k seat stadium which would be a great fit for FCS and cuts down alot on expenses and with a Tecas heavy Conferencealso cuts down travel expenses. Overall it would strengthen the WAC:

SUU, UT-Tech, ACU, SFA, UIW, Tarleton State, UTRGV, UTA

Gives you 8 teams with some cushion for future departures (Tarleton State) and until then a solid 7 team Conference schedule. Could easily fill OOC games with $$ games, Big Sky, Southland and ASUN schools (the ASUN I don't see surviving unless a few more teams decide to join).

(06-19-2022 02:24 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  I did not claim that basketball is more popular than football. In Texas or anywhere else. I asked why you think a FCS football team would be successful at UTA, when they’re not even “successful” at basketball. You then said basketball was a second tier sport, not answering the question. I then pointed out Tech and Baylor’s success at basketball, though it’s a “second tier sport”.

To my point, Tech and Baylor will never be able to be as successful at football than they have been at basketball. Even though they spend all this money on it and it’s the popular, it’s still “unsuccessful”. One more time, how could UTA be more successful in football, when they can’t even be successful in basketball?

People in Arlington aren’t going to start supporting some new 3rd rate program, when they have so many other sports entertainment options. Baylor, Tech, UT, and A&M fans aren’t going to waste their time watching UTA football.

Why are you saying Baylor hasn’t been successful in FBS Football?

And as far as your question goes who starts up a sports program for a school without thoughts of grandeur. No one is thinking about baseball or basketball success when they start a Volleyball program.

It really depends on what support the program can get from its Alums and local businesses as well as the community. When the Mavericks dropped football in the mid eighties the population of Arlington was about 200,000 today the population is almost 400,000. So, I don’t think it would be that hard to attract some folks for FCS football. I mean seriously Sam Houston couldn’t attract flies at a landfill with really good football teams and still find a way to field a team. So, surely UTA could match those attendance numbers.

They could make it work in FCS but if they wanted football they would have started a program when they were in the Sun Belt with the free ticket to FBS.

(06-19-2022 10:50 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  They could make it work in FCS but if they wanted football they would have started a program when they were in the Sun Belt with the free ticket to FBS.

My understanding was That they dropped football due to the cost being too expensive for the school and the leadership while they were in the sun belt had no interest in bringing back Football. With the new leadership in place and playing in a very much Texas centric conference it could ease alot of the $$ problems.

Was just entertaining the silly thought of UTA partnering with the Dallas Jackals of Major League Rugby (currently playing in the “old” Rangers stadium) on a little stadium more conducive to FCS. I have heard from some people that MLR is drawing well in Texas, for that matter.

Like I said, though, it’s a silly thought. It’ll pass.

(06-21-2022 03:18 PM)Pounder Wrote:  Was just entertaining the silly thought of UTA partnering with the Dallas Jackals of Major League Rugby (currently playing in the “old” Rangers stadium) on a little stadium more conducive to FCS. I have heard from some people that MLR is drawing well in Texas, for that matter.

Like I said, though, it’s a silly thought. It’ll pass.

I could only find one thing on their attendance. Didn’t look very hard, but says 2,100 for a March game. They went 0-16 and got blown out every game. I really doubt they were successful at the gate.

https://www.dallasjackals.com/news/jacka...nola-gold/

(06-21-2022 03:18 PM)Pounder Wrote:  Was just entertaining the silly thought of UTA partnering with the Dallas Jackals of Major League Rugby (currently playing in the “old” Rangers stadium) on a little stadium more conducive to FCS. I have heard from some people that MLR is drawing well in Texas, for that matter.

Like I said, though, it’s a silly thought. It’ll pass.

ACU and SFA already played at the old Rangers Stadium. It was actually a decent venue for FCS for the day. I wouldn't want to play all of my home games there, but it worked fine for a neutral site game.

(06-21-2022 07:41 PM)Outsider Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 03:18 PM)Pounder Wrote:  Was just entertaining the silly thought of UTA partnering with the Dallas Jackals of Major League Rugby (currently playing in the “old” Rangers stadium) on a little stadium more conducive to FCS. I have heard from some people that MLR is drawing well in Texas, for that matter.

Like I said, though, it’s a silly thought. It’ll pass.

ACU and SFA already played at the old Rangers Stadium. It was actually a decent venue for FCS for the day. I wouldn't want to play all of my home games there, but it worked fine for a neutral site game.

Tarleton played SUU at the old stadium and it was a fun venue. With Texas Live next door it was a great experience for the fans. Agree I wouldn’t want to play all games there, but once a year it was fun.

(06-19-2022 01:21 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 04:32 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 03:52 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:47 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-18-2022 02:40 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  No offense but Arlington is just NOT a good college town. There is too much other stuff to do there that takes away from any home town support. Six Flags Pro Football and Baseball to name a few. It is what it is a commuter college where the average age is not anywhere near the 18-24 range and older folks have different goals than the average college kid.

If and only if there was another push for football FCS should be the only route. No sense in beating your head against wall trying to compete where the deck is stacked against you.

If you cannot excel at basketball, why would you think a FCS program would be “successful” at UTA?

Because Texas is a football first state. Basketball is a second tier sport in Texas.

When is Texas Tech and Baylor making the CFP? Both teams made the National Championship in basketball recently.

And both Texas Tech and Baylor have won W Basketball NCs. Does that mean they are the most dominant and followed sport on Campus? No!

Obviously you have never been in Texas on a Friday night in the fall where folks flock to HS football games. It’s a religion to a lot of hometown fans and that experience for kids carries over into Texas colleges.

Just look at the budgets recruiting expenses and fan attendance for football over basketball let alone the Spring game. Football dominates the air waves. Basketball wouldn’t exist if it had to compete with football in the fall in Texas. This isn’t my opinion it’s just the way it is.

Btw, Baylor has been very successful in football the last decade. Maybe not a NC but they have been in the mix.

Fact is Football involves more folks and brings in a ton more revenue especially in Texas.

UTA already has the largest expense paid for in their stadium. Bringing back FCS as a start could go a long way in helping other sports. JMHO

From my experience that mostly applies to schools in rural areas. I think the TX HS FB is a religion trope is a bit overplayed and exaggerated. Definitely doesn't carry over to colleges otherwise most nonP5 TX universities would have wayyyy better attendance.