(06-15-2022 07:09 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 06:09 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't see any way CUSA makes 2 mil per team, no matter what they do. I really doubt they have a real shot at 1mil.

If CUSA couldn't get to those numbers with the 14 they had, it most certainly isn't going to happen now. Short term deals spread across several outlets worth only 400k and as little as 200k before that, it ain't happening. Crap leadership and poor vision led to all of this. Looking at the newest rendition of CUSA, there is no way to even improve on the current deal. Problem is Facebook, stadium, CBS college sports (mostly streamed) isn't going to work over more money nor provide coverage that even lets the country know there are a few good teams for any given year.

Thank you for your input. Now you can kindly go back to the Sun Belt board. Nobody gives a **** what your opinion is.

(06-15-2022 07:48 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:09 AM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(06-13-2022 06:09 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't see any way CUSA makes 2 mil per team, no matter what they do. I really doubt they have a real shot at 1mil.

If CUSA couldn't get to those numbers with the 14 they had, it most certainly isn't going to happen now. Short term deals spread across several outlets worth only 400k and as little as 200k before that, it ain't happening. Crap leadership and poor vision led to all of this. Looking at the newest rendition of CUSA, there is no way to even improve on the current deal. Problem is Facebook, stadium, CBS college sports (mostly streamed) isn't going to work over more money nor provide coverage that even lets the country know there are a few good teams for any given year.

Thank you for your input. Now you can kindly go back to the Sun Belt board. Nobody gives a **** what your opinion is.

Agreed

CUSA needs exposure. Period. Speaking of exposure, using Facebook and Stadium only helps fans of the teams playing watch the games. These streaming games do not bring any eyeballs outside of fans who actually want to jump through all of the hoops to watch their team. While this is great for true fans, no "casual" fan is going to take time to switch from ESPN or ESPN+ to go log in to Pluto, then scroll trying to find Stadium or Facebook on their laptop when there are 10 more games available at their fingertips.
Get exposure, garner more eyeballs, leverage this for better contracts.

(06-15-2022 08:56 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  CUSA needs exposure. Period. Speaking of exposure, using Facebook and Stadium only helps fans of the teams playing watch the games. These streaming games do not bring any eyeballs outside of fans who actually want to jump through all of the hoops to watch their team. While this is great for true fans, no "casual" fan is going to take time to switch from ESPN or ESPN+ to go log in to Pluto, then scroll trying to find Stadium or Facebook on their laptop when there are 10 more games available at their fingertips.
Get exposure, garner more eyeballs, leverage this for better contracts.

I agree with this but also there is truth to what freshtop is saying. If the possibility presents itself, we are much better off with a NBC/Peacock deal or a CBS/Paramount deal. Centralizes coverage on a legitimate streaming outlet while also providing a linear tv option.

I also think some fans are way overestimating the amount of people who casually scroll through ESPN+ looking for a game to watch during football or basketball season. College Baseball nuts? Sure, because all of the games are on there. But football and basketball fans are not browsing ESPN+, they are watching their teams game on ESPN+ or they are watching linear broadcasts.

(06-15-2022 09:16 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also think some fans are way overestimating the amount of people who casually scroll through ESPN+ looking for a game to watch during football or basketball season. College Baseball nuts? Sure, because all of the games are on there. But football and basketball fans are not browsing ESPN+, they are watching their teams game on ESPN+ or they are watching linear broadcasts.

^^^This

(06-15-2022 09:13 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:56 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  CUSA needs exposure. Period. Speaking of exposure, using Facebook and Stadium only helps fans of the teams playing watch the games. These streaming games do not bring any eyeballs outside of fans who actually want to jump through all of the hoops to watch their team. While this is great for true fans, no "casual" fan is going to take time to switch from ESPN or ESPN+ to go log in to Pluto, then scroll trying to find Stadium or Facebook on their laptop when there are 10 more games available at their fingertips.
Get exposure, garner more eyeballs, leverage this for better contracts.

I agree with this but also there is truth to what freshtop is saying. If the possibility presents itself, we are much better off with a NBC/Peacock deal or a CBS/Paramount deal. Centralizes coverage on a legitimate streaming outlet while also providing a linear tv option.

For sure. If a top level streaming channel comes knocking with an exclusive deal, you BETTER take it. But, these one-offs, while better thank no exposure, is not going to move the needle for CUSA

(06-15-2022 09:16 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also think some fans are way overestimating the amount of people who casually scroll through ESPN+ looking for a game to watch during football or basketball season. College Baseball nuts? Sure, because all of the games are on there. But football and basketball fans are not browsing ESPN+, they are watching their teams game on ESPN+ or they are watching linear broadcasts.

Just from my own experience, I know many times when I get to sit down in the afternoon and I have an hour or so before USM kicks off, I flip though to see if any G5 matchups look interesting and pick one to kill time until my team plays. Surely others do the same.

First, I come in peace and just enjoy the topic.

Ignoring all the specifics of if these schools want to move up or not and just looking at what could help the media deal; I'd go for a block of schools in the upper Mid-west/West. North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana and/or Montana State. That's a block of the country with 3 million people that don't have a home state FBS team. I also think it offers more legitimacy and name recognition than a Tarleton or Eastern Whoever State.

It'll be interesting how ESPN handles all the new content with limited space. Theyll bury all those bad SBC teams, and there are many, on ESPN+ during football season, and bury even deeper all those embarrassingly bad basketball teams during basketball season. Even the most causual fan will hold their nose and keep surfing when they see that an SBC basketball game is on. When you're the worst FBS basketball league, by far, you hope they don't broadcast your games.

As far as CUSA, we get to been seen, even if only occasionally, throughout the school year because we will have watchable football and basketball. In total, I'd wager we will have more eyes on us throughout the year than the football only SBC.

This is gonna be fun to watch the delusion dissipate over the next couple years and buyers remorse sets in over there.

(06-15-2022 09:54 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  It'll be interesting how ESPN handles all the new content with limited space. Theyll bury all those bad SBC teams, and there are many, on ESPN+ during football season, and bury even deeper all those embarrassingly bad basketball teams during basketball season. Even the most causual fan will hold their nose and keep surfing when they see that an SBC basketball game is on. When you're the worst FBS basketball league, by far, you hope they don't broadcast your games.

As far as CUSA, we get to been seen, even if only occasionally, throughout the school year because we will have watchable football and basketball. In total, I'd wager we will have more eyes on us throughout the year than the football only SBC.

This is gonna be fun to watch the delusion dissipate over the next couple years and buyers remorse sets in over there.

I'm glad some are looking at the silver-linings an have decided to make lemonade after all of the changes. Better to be buried on ESPN+ than buried on Stadium.com on Pluto. As far a s basketball goes, C-USA is the new Big East I guess lol.

(06-15-2022 10:10 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:54 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  It'll be interesting how ESPN handles all the new content with limited space. Theyll bury all those bad SBC teams, and there are many, on ESPN+ during football season, and bury even deeper all those embarrassingly bad basketball teams during basketball season. Even the most causual fan will hold their nose and keep surfing when they see that an SBC basketball game is on. When you're the worst FBS basketball league, by far, you hope they don't broadcast your games.

As far as CUSA, we get to been seen, even if only occasionally, throughout the school year because we will have watchable football and basketball. In total, I'd wager we will have more eyes on us throughout the year than the football only SBC.

This is gonna be fun to watch the delusion dissipate over the next couple years and buyers remorse sets in over there.

I'm glad some are looking at the silver-linings an have decided to make lemonade after all of the changes. Better to be buried on ESPN+ than buried on Stadium.com on Pluto. As far a s basketball goes, C-USA is the new Big East I guess lol.

Pretty sure all WKU conference football games are on ESPN or CBSSN. You guys act as if lots of games are on Facebook or Stadium. Those have been rare but hey, if it makes you feel better to exaggerate, you be you.

As far as basketball, the gap between CUSA and the BigEast is smaller than the gap between SBC basketball and CUSA 4.0. There's no doubt CUSA basketball has the potential to be special. Obviously, we are all talking about the future and nothing is a given.

(06-15-2022 09:25 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:16 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also think some fans are way overestimating the amount of people who casually scroll through ESPN+ looking for a game to watch during football or basketball season. College Baseball nuts? Sure, because all of the games are on there. But football and basketball fans are not browsing ESPN+, they are watching their teams game on ESPN+ or they are watching linear broadcasts.

Just from my own experience, I know many times when I get to sit down in the afternoon and I have an hour or so before USM kicks off, I flip though to see if any G5 matchups look interesting and pick one to kill time until my team plays. Surely others do the same.

I totally agree USM3000: there are plenty of fans who have marginal interests in certain games, but will not search FB, etc., or pay yet another fee just watch those games. This happens pretty often, and the number of eyes seeing the games on espn prove this with no doubt.

I get CBSSN with youtubeTv but don't have ESPN Plus. Nearly 100 million homes out of 150 millioin in America have CBSSN. Lots of eyes there.

(06-15-2022 10:28 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  I get CBSSN with youtubeTv but don't have ESPN Plus. Nearly 100 million homes out of 150 millioin in America have CBSSN. Lots of eyes there.

Correct. This is why the MAC's current media rights deal with ESPN is so beneficial, because of the sub-licensing agreement with CBSSN.

The games that appear on the CBSSN platform while not the same as games appearing on ESPN/ESPN2, is slightly better than ESPNU. I hope this continues or is even expanded in the next media rights deal following the 2026-27 season.

(06-15-2022 08:56 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  CUSA needs exposure. Period. Speaking of exposure, using Facebook and Stadium only helps fans of the teams playing watch the games. These streaming games do not bring any eyeballs outside of fans who actually want to jump through all of the hoops to watch their team. While this is great for true fans, no "casual" fan is going to take time to switch from ESPN or ESPN+ to go log in to Pluto, then scroll trying to find Stadium or Facebook on their laptop when there are 10 more games available at their fingertips.
Get exposure, garner more eyeballs, leverage this for better contracts.

Facebook was a failed experiment. The idea of it wasn't the worst. Stream games online, engage the fanbases. In practice it sucked. It was not easy enough to find the stream, there were limited options on smart tvs to stream it on the big screen, there was zero promotion on Facebook itself. No sports or streaming or live tab, nothing to drive casual eyes.


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The other thing about being on an ESPN broadcast, is that it is essentially a three hour long commercial for the "big" P5 game coming up. They openly and actively talk about other games while the game is going on. There is little talk of the actual game at halftime either. At least CBS Sports and other networks are engaged in the game being played.

Sun Belt basketball just got banned by the A10. Lol I have never seen that before.[/b]

(06-15-2022 09:25 AM)USM3000 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:16 AM)RustonBulldog Wrote:  I also think some fans are way overestimating the amount of people who casually scroll through ESPN+ looking for a game to watch during football or basketball season. College Baseball nuts? Sure, because all of the games are on there. But football and basketball fans are not browsing ESPN+, they are watching their teams game on ESPN+ or they are watching linear broadcasts.

Just from my own experience, I know many times when I get to sit down in the afternoon and I have an hour or so before USM kicks off, I flip though to see if any G5 matchups look interesting and pick one to kill time until my team plays. Surely others do the same.

But you, along with most people on this board are not the casual fan which represents a good chunk of the ESPN+ market. Sure, your fantatics will watch other games in their G5 conference but most aren’t. I’ll be honest, I can’t tell you the last time I watched a conference game (excluding the championship) when there was a semi-compelling power five game on. The number of people that do what you do per conference I would bet is less than 100. Why would I watch Middle Tennessee and WKU or App State and Georgia Southern if we have a top 25 matchup on CBS with incredible broadcast quality. Same goes for my school. Nobody is watching Louisiana Tech on a Saturday broadcast on ESPN+ except for Tech fans, the team we are playing and people potentially scoreboard watching. The only time G5 is getting any eyeballs is linear TV.

The only thing that could impact these numbers is your gambling degenerate who are certainly watching anything and everything they bet on.

(06-15-2022 12:11 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Sun Belt basketball just got banned by the A10. Lol I have never seen that before.[/b]

https://twitter.com/shane_dnrsports/stat...83360?s=21