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In the NBA draft, Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was the 44th player drafted by the the Hawks and then traded to the Golden State Warriors, the NBA champions. He will now have the opportunity to prove whether he’s NBA worthy.

last season, I argued that Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was a very good college player, but was not likely to be a very good NBA player. I formed such opinion as his shooting stats on two’s and three’s were sub-par. For at the time, Rollins had just completed his freshmen season where he shot but 27 percent on two-point jumpers, only shot 31 percent on three’s, and his handles were just so-so.

This past season, he improved his two-point jump shot to 46 percent which is very good, but his 3-point shooting was only 33 percent in conference play. He also lowered his turnover rate, and increased his steals. In both seasons, he was very good scoring at the hoop.

I wish Rollins the best in pursuing an NBA career. Player development and increasing his three point shooting will be crucial to his succeeding.

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(06-25-2022 06:11 AM)Miggy Wrote:  In the NBA draft, Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was the 44th player drafted by the the Hawks and then traded to the Golden State Warriors, the NBA champions. He will now have the opportunity to prove whether he’s NBA worthy.

last season, I argued that Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was a very good college player, but was not likely to be a very good NBA player. I formed such opinion as his shooting stats on two’s and three’s were sub-par. For at the time, Rollins had just completed his freshmen season where he shot but 27 percent on two-point jumpers, only shot 31 percent on three’s, and his handles were just so-so.

This past season, he improved his two-point jump shot to 46 percent which is very good, but his 3-point shooting was only 33 percent in conference play. He also lowered his turnover rate, and increased his steals. In both seasons, he was very good scoring at the hoop.

I wish Rollins the best in pursuing an NBA career. Player development and increasing his three point shooting will be crucial to his succeeding.

Miggy, good post as usual. And thank you for the stats. As usual, I will always advise against putting too much take on freshman stats.

I was never near good enough to play college athletics, but my academic performance was dismal my freshman year. A lot turned around sophomore year and beyond. These are 18/19 year old kids. Lots of growth.

Best of luck to Rollins in his continued development!!! Hope Noah or someone from EMU is next on that list!

(06-25-2022 06:11 AM)Miggy Wrote:  In the NBA draft, Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was the 44th player drafted by the the Hawks and then traded to the Golden State Warriors, the NBA champions. He will now have the opportunity to prove whether he’s NBA worthy.

last season, I argued that Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was a very good college player, but was not likely to be a very good NBA player. I formed such opinion as his shooting stats on two’s and three’s were sub-par. For at the time, Rollins had just completed his freshmen season where he shot but 27 percent on two-point jumpers, only shot 31 percent on three’s, and his handles were just so-so.

This past season, he improved his two-point jump shot to 46 percent which is very good, but his 3-point shooting was only 33 percent in conference play. He also lowered his turnover rate, and increased his steals. In both seasons, he was very good scoring at the hoop.

I wish Rollins the best in pursuing an NBA career. Player development and increasing his three point shooting will be crucial to his succeeding.

I'm here to collect on our bet Miggy but credit to you for acknowledging you were wrong.

A couple thoughts on Rollins. His shot is golden from 20 feet in, and his handles are part of what got him drafted (he just got a little showy with them occasionally in college). Meanwhile, his mediocre 3 pt % is what made him a 2nd rounder instead of a 1st rounder, but he's now on a team with the best 3 pt shooters in the world which should help. Defensively he has the tools but needs to tighten up a few on ball habits and be more consistent with his stance and focus. The Warriors GM said the plan is for him to be on the 15 man roster, although he may split time between the G League and the Warriors for development. They paid the Hawks $2 million to move up 7 spots in the second round and draft him, so there is investment and commitment from the team. Most likely he gets a guaranteed minimum level salary for 2 years, similar to Preston's deal last year as a Clippers early 2nd round pick.

(06-25-2022 04:08 PM)pono Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 06:11 AM)Miggy Wrote:  In the NBA draft, Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was the 44th player drafted by the the Hawks and then traded to the Golden State Warriors, the NBA champions. He will now have the opportunity to prove whether he’s NBA worthy.

last season, I argued that Toledo’s Ryan Rollins was a very good college player, but was not likely to be a very good NBA player. I formed such opinion as his shooting stats on two’s and three’s were sub-par. For at the time, Rollins had just completed his freshmen season where he shot but 27 percent on two-point jumpers, only shot 31 percent on three’s, and his handles were just so-so.

This past season, he improved his two-point jump shot to 46 percent which is very good, but his 3-point shooting was only 33 percent in conference play. He also lowered his turnover rate, and increased his steals. In both seasons, he was very good scoring at the hoop.

I wish Rollins the best in pursuing an NBA career. Player development and increasing his three point shooting will be crucial to his succeeding.

I'm here to collect on our bet Miggy but credit to you for acknowledging you were wrong.

A couple thoughts on Rollins. His shot is golden from 20 feet in, and his handles are part of what got him drafted (he just got a little showy with them occasionally in college). Meanwhile, his mediocre 3 pt % is what made him a 2nd rounder instead of a 1st rounder, but he's now on a team with the best 3 pt shooters in the world which should help. Defensively he has the tools but needs to tighten up a few on ball habits and be more consistent with his stance and focus. The Warriors GM said the plan is for him to be on the 15 man roster, although he may split time between the G League and the Warriors for development. They paid the Hawks $2 million to move up 7 spots in the second round and draft him, so there is investment and commitment from the team. Most likely he gets a guaranteed minimum level salary for 2 years, similar to Preston's deal last year as a Clippers early 2nd round pick.

I honestly think he is the best NBA prospect the MAC has had in years.

Shooting stats in college are an indicator but Jordan Poole was hardly a Steve Alford or Jimmer Fredette type NCAA 3-ball shooter who could not make in the NBA. Poole is a superb athlete who improved his shooting skills, his speed and hops are assets that cannot be taught.

Rollins was nearly Toledo's best rebounder last year and led a good team in steals as well. He, in my estimation, has just as much to offer as Poole did.

Pono: Can you find and re-print here what we each texted about Rollins. Did you predict he’d be a first-round pick or that he’ll be a good NBA player?

I’d like to congratulate you on your prediction, but we need to wait to and see if Rollins at anytime in the next few years gets substantial playing time
and produces.It’s not as if being drafted 44 in the second round of the NBA draft is a guarantee of his making it in the NBA.

Unless he learns to make three’s at a high rate, he’s having a career as a SG is doubtful. If he doesn’t shoot three’s at a high rate then he’ll have to transition to being a PG. We’ll have to see how that works out..

(06-25-2022 10:17 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Pono: Can you find and re-print here what we each texted about Rollins. Did you predict he’d be a first-round pick or that he’ll be a good NBA player?

I’d like to congratulate you on your prediction, but we need to wait to and see if Rollins at anytime in the next few years gets substantial playing time
and produces.It’s not as if being drafted 44 in the second round of the NBA draft is a guarantee of his making it in the NBA.

Unless he learns to make three’s at a high rate, he’s having a career as a SG is doubtful. If he doesn’t shoot three’s at a high rate then he’ll have to transition to being a PG. We’ll have to see how that works out..

he'll start off as a lead guard. the game-and the warriors-is more positionless now and while he may never be a chris paul type of pg, he can do the basic pg things for an offense that has multiple playmakers. rollins had the fastest sprint in the entire combine and is the rare guy who is as fast with the ball in his hands as he is without it. he will surprise some folks with his ability to push the rock. right now he's pegged as a scoring pg off the bench. not sure what he'll become with health and time in the league.

and my prediction has always been that he'll get drafted and play in the league. it's a tough league and I haven't predicted how good he'll become, just that he would be an NBA player.

not sure if there are any sure fire NBA guys in the MAC now. I think Farrkhan has some NBA abilities but he's small and has things that need improvement. Coleman, back at BSU, might have a shot if he has a great end to his college career. He's not very athletic, but he's a big guard who can score. Shumate at UT has the efficiency numbers to get a look. Not sure who he guards at that level, but he's an NBA quality shooter who has the work ethic.

Pono: I don’t believe I ever said that Rollins won’t be drafted. I did say that I didn’t see based on his freshmen stats that he would likely be a good NVA player. In your post, you agree that is still an open question.

The reason I didn’t project Rollins as a future good NBA player is given the fact that his freshmen year, his jump-shot was not good, and on defense his number of steals per game were just average.

His sophomore year he vastly improved his two-point jump shot percentage as well as his steals per game, but his three-point jump shot percentage remained sub-par. Do believe the GS Warriors coaching staff has the ability to improve his three-point shooting, but we’ll need to see if that occurs.

I doubt that in the NBA he’ll do as well scoring at the hoop in half-court sets, given the bigger and quicker front-lines he’ll be facing, but we’ll have to wait and see.

The real unanswered question is whether after playing for three year’s, will Rollins be averaging 15, 20, or 30 minutes per game in the NBA? If he averages 20-minutes per game, I’ll then be prepared to call him a good NBA player.

As for Noah, he’s now as tall or taller than Steph Curry, and I doubt his height will not likely keep him from making the NBA. I agree that Noah still needs to improve getting to the foul-line more, garnering more assists, playing with more patience in order to both reduce turnovers and increase his already good shooting percentages. He also needs to increase steals, and his defense, in order to play in the NBA.