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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
Didnt umass leave. Ah. That was uconn. Nevermind. Cold yankee schools with bad football. get them confused

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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
Idle curiosity which mods moved this from the Realignment Board?
This one fit over there better than the other one* that was moved -- the maintain dominance over NY6 thread. I would argue that one fit over there as well, since it was framed as "after this realignment to 14 teams..."

It seems that AAC topics drive traffic over there...so I don't know why...though I have a couple suspicions...

* Edited to add - I count four threads moved OFF the Realignment Board this afternoon. Three to here and one to the Sun Belt board. All four fit on the Realignment board and none was conference-specific (i.e., other conferences or general realignment factored in the discussion).
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Navy has fans, UMass does not.

Makes no sense.

UMass has fans, maybe not enough to have a major following but they are there.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 11:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  No offense to the OP, but Navy is a better program to have than UMass.

UMass football really would be better suited in FCS but they’ll hang around FBS as long as they can fill their schedule.

I wouldn’t say they were screwed either. Aside from UConn, they didn’t really have any football history with any of the Big East football 1.0 or 2.0 schools. They came up to FBS through a MAC fb only invite in hopes of someday getting into the Big East but then that league’s northeastern schools went their separate ways, Temple got into the Big East, and it no longer made sense for the MAC to keep them around as an affiliate. The Minutemen shot for the moon and came up short.

Maybe UMass would be better suited to drop back to the FCS.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 02:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Idle curiosity which mods moved this from the Realignment Board?
This one fit over there better than the other one* that was moved -- the maintain dominance over NY6 thread. I would argue that one fit over there as well, since it was framed as "after this realignment to 14 teams..."

It seems that AAC topics drive traffic over there...so I don't know why...though I have a couple suspicions...

* Edited to add - I count four threads moved OFF the Realignment Board this afternoon. Three to here and one to the Sun Belt board. All four fit on the Realignment board and none was conference-specific (i.e., other conferences or general realignment factored in the discussion).

The Mountain West's problem is they've allowed Boise State to be the face of the conference, and have completely ignored everyone else. They also have a holier than thou attitude towards UTEP and New Mexico State that preventing both of them from being added to the conference.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 02:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Idle curiosity which mods moved this from the Realignment Board?
This one fit over there better than the other one* that was moved -- the maintain dominance over NY6 thread. I would argue that one fit over there as well, since it was framed as "after this realignment to 14 teams..."

It seems that AAC topics drive traffic over there...so I don't know why...though I have a couple suspicions...

* Edited to add - I count four threads moved OFF the Realignment Board this afternoon. Three to here and one to the Sun Belt board. All four fit on the Realignment board and none was conference-specific (i.e., other conferences or general realignment factored in the discussion).

I was surprised this thread got moved over here from the main board. I'm new to this, but it seemed odd to me.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:06 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Navy has fans, UMass does not.

Makes no sense.

UMass has fans, maybe not enough to have a major following but they are there.

Easy equation:

0<Umass Fans<17,000
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:10 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  I was surprised this thread got moved over here from the main board. I'm new to this, but it seemed odd to me.

There has been a change of policy, which you'll find here:

"PLEASE READ: Rules for staying on-topic on this board"

https://csnbbs.com/thread-946870.html

Rule #1: College Sports and Conference Realignment is a board for topics that are either realignment-related or relevant to at least a large number of college teams if not all of them. Specific ≠ General. A thread that is entirely or almost entirely related to a single school or conference will be moved to a more appropriate board.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 10:20 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  UMass has been screwed over more than any school in the era of conference realignment. A once proud Northeast team that won an FCS national championship in 1998 over Georgia Southern, has now been relegated to the nomadism of being an FBS independent after leaving the MAC.

With that in mind, what if the newly formed AAC had decided to go another direction and add a 12th full member to the conference? Would UMass had been more successful than they are now? Would UConn have remained in the conference? How would they have adjusted if the realignment moves that have recently occurred IRL still happened in an alternate timeline?

This is pretty easy, really:

1) Aresco is fired as the media deal, which was renewed after Navy's announcement to join, drops from $6 Million/year to $2 Million/year.

2) Uconn decides to forego the remained of the BE settlement money and leaves for the Big East in 2014, if not before.

3) After Uconn departs, UC, Houston, and SMU all announce that they too are looking to leave, possibly spurring that "Best of the Rest" Conference from the inter-mountain MW conference teams (who are disgruntled at the "Preferential Deal" Boise State got in 2012), probably resulting in the AAC being a husk of itself...and probably collapsing into CUSA.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:10 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 02:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Idle curiosity which mods moved this from the Realignment Board?
This one fit over there better than the other one* that was moved -- the maintain dominance over NY6 thread. I would argue that one fit over there as well, since it was framed as "after this realignment to 14 teams..."

It seems that AAC topics drive traffic over there...so I don't know why...though I have a couple suspicions...

* Edited to add - I count four threads moved OFF the Realignment Board this afternoon. Three to here and one to the Sun Belt board. All four fit on the Realignment board and none was conference-specific (i.e., other conferences or general realignment factored in the discussion).

I was surprised this thread got moved over here from the main board. I'm new to this, but it seemed odd to me.

I'm not one to QueStIon the MOdZ, so I hope no one takes this the wrong way.

I thought your post was fine over there. Clearly about Realignment. And there have been countless "What if" alternative history type threads on that board.

Two of the four moved threads were by one original poster. I took a little snide shot at that board as a whole in one of them. Could have been one or more of a few things causing the move. Keep on posting, and welcome!
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 06:06 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Navy has fans, UMass does not.

Makes no sense.

UMass has fans, maybe not enough to have a major following but they are there.

Easy equation:

0<Umass Fans<17,000

A fan base and stadium capacity are two different things.
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 10:20 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  UMass has been screwed over more than any school in the era of conference realignment. A once proud Northeast team that won an FCS national championship in 1998 over Georgia Southern, has now been relegated to the nomadism of being an FBS independent after leaving the MAC.

With that in mind, what if the newly formed AAC had decided to go another direction and add a 12th full member to the conference?

There's no way they would have added UMass, rather than Navy, so let's consider this alternative:

What if they had added UMass and Navy?, and

What if ESPN's strong interest in establishing a strong presence in the massive northeastern U.S. marketplace would have offset concerns about the UMass football program?


(05-14-2022 10:20 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Would UMass had been more successful than they are now?

Yes, they probably would have been more successful, in part, because they would have received a lot more broadcasting revenue and played a lot more nationally-televised games. This, in addition to frequent games vs. regional rivals such as Temple, UConn, and Navy would have helped to boost their attendance and recruiting.

With the additional revenue, UMass probably would have expanded their football facilities, and they probably wouldn't have been permitted to join the conference without agreeing to expand their football stadium or play their games at a larger stadium in the region.

(05-14-2022 10:20 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  Would UConn have remained in the conference?

That seems unlikely, though possible, since adding UMass would have lowered their travel costs by close to 10%, and would have added high attendance regional rivalry FB and MBB games.

(05-14-2022 10:20 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  How would they have adjusted if the realignment moves that have recently occurred IRL still happened in an alternate timeline?

Doubtful that they would have had to adjust. They would have simply remained in the conference, as the others have, and there would be 9, rather than 8 AAC remainers.
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What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Certainly on THIS board, they're all good people.

So true.

But by “THIS”, are you referring to the AAC, Patriot, A10, Navy, UMass, or realignment board?

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(05-14-2022 09:15 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 06:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Certainly on THIS board, they're all good people.

So true.

But by “THIS”, are you referring to the AAC, Patriot, A10, Navy, UMass, or realignment board?

Tee hee 03-wink

Just giving love to our AAC mods.

Note that the context was head-scratching over why the Realignment Board mods moved a thread about realignment...
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RE: What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 06:49 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 06:37 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 06:06 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Navy has fans, UMass does not.

Makes no sense.

UMass has fans, maybe not enough to have a major following but they are there.

Easy equation:

0<Umass Fans<17,000

A fan base and stadium capacity are two different things.

When they start selling out McGuirk, call me back.
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What if the AAC had added UMass instead of Navy
(05-14-2022 09:26 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 09:15 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 06:45 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Certainly on THIS board, they're all good people.

So true.

But by “THIS”, are you referring to the AAC, Patriot, A10, Navy, UMass, or realignment board?

Tee hee 03-wink

Just giving love to our AAC mods.

Note that the context was head-scratching over why the Realignment Board mods moved a thread about realignment...


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