(05-11-2022 09:34 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:23 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:13 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:01 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I know that channel isn't widely available but they do a good job on the games. I am glad we are on ESPN but they have a tendency to push their marquee games. We should not do anything to hurt that relationship but if ESPN wants to sell some games CBSSN will do well. In case you haven't guessed I get it on Dish.

I get the "widely available" argument to an extent (on cable and satellite anyway; it's basic on a YTTV, Hulu, Fubo) but the same applies to ESPNU. ESPNU is on higher tiers for more money like CBSSN. And in the same number of homes (61M)

Do people complain about ESPNU?

That was one of my gripes for the city cable here is they didn't have the U. One of the reasons i got a satellite. They do now. BTW the cable was provided by the city like electricity or water.

That's interesting. I've never heard of that.

Suddenlink is the only cable company in my area. ESPNU, ESPNews, FS2, B1G Network, SECN, ACCN, NFLN and a bunch of smaller ones are all on a higher tier for more money.

I could either do Suddenlink TV Internet bundle with the sports add on.
Or Suddenlink internet and a streaming service where all those sports channels were basic.
And Suddenlink bundle was a little more expensive with the sports add on. Kind of an easy call.

Didn't want to mess with satellite.

When the city started their own cable business we still had the private company here too. Of course city was cheaper. I think they were both here for over a year. The private company couldn't compete with a company that also had tax dollars behind them so they left. I knew when that happened city would raise their prices. They did very quickly. I am sure there are other small cities who have their own cable but I have never heard of one. They also furnish us with internet. I have that even though I use a satellite. It cost 10 dollars more since I don't have cable.

(05-12-2022 08:33 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:41 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  It's funny watching people get bent out of shape by conversations on a message board. None of us come close to controlling anything with how the league is run. So the "follow our lead" and "we know what we're doing" posts are just silly.

This is just fans talking and sharing ideas. Nothing more.

We know that. Our posts are silly UT yours isnt. What they remind me of is men at war. One group gets wiped out except for 3 guys. The other group is winning and no casualties but they take in the 3 survivors. First thing the 3 do is start saying "here is what we need to do". Uh huh. Actually I am glad for our 4 new members. I do hope people that can make changes don't start listening and try to do things the CUSA way. I imagine y'all don't want that either.

I think there is a disconnect in this thread from what the OP suggested (terrible idea to fracture media deal) and what MUsince96 has been suggesting. You will not find 4 happier fanbases to be back with ESPN than those of us coming in. But if ESPN came to me and said, hey man, I can stick your game on ESPN+ this Saturday, or CBSSN offered me some money so they could broadcast it on linear tv then I would imagine most would say "sure , seems like a win-win".

The only problem I would see is if ESPN started wanting to sell games off to stadium, Facebook, BeIn, or some of the other...what-the-crap-is-that channel.... that we were stuck with as TIERED partners in CUSA. If ESPN promised to only sell a certain number of (Saturday) games to CBS then I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

I love being all in with ESPN and I like ESPN+, and I know that ESPN would never do the above scenario because they want to sell ESPN+ memberships. However, the MAC does have a pretty good setup and like the SBC, they are 100% ESPN owned. Either way, it is a slow time of year and I think everyone is just looking for something to talk about. No need to take it so seriously.

(05-12-2022 09:04 AM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:33 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:41 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  It's funny watching people get bent out of shape by conversations on a message board. None of us come close to controlling anything with how the league is run. So the "follow our lead" and "we know what we're doing" posts are just silly.

This is just fans talking and sharing ideas. Nothing more.

We know that. Our posts are silly UT yours isnt. What they remind me of is men at war. One group gets wiped out except for 3 guys. The other group is winning and no casualties but they take in the 3 survivors. First thing the 3 do is start saying "here is what we need to do". Uh huh. Actually I am glad for our 4 new members. I do hope people that can make changes don't start listening and try to do things the CUSA way. I imagine y'all don't want that either.

I think there is a disconnect in this thread from what the OP suggested (terrible idea to fracture media deal) and what MUsince96 has been suggesting. You will not find 4 happier fanbases to be back with ESPN than those of us coming in. But if ESPN came to me and said, hey man, I can stick your game on ESPN+ this Saturday, or CBSSN offered me some money so they could broadcast it on linear tv then I would imagine most would say "sure , seems like a win-win".

The only problem I would see is if ESPN started wanting to sell games off to stadium, Facebook, BeIn, or some of the other...what-the-crap-is-that channel.... that we were stuck with as TIERED partners in CUSA. If ESPN promised to only sell a certain number of (Saturday) games to CBS then I don't see how that would be a bad thing.

I love being all in with ESPN and I like ESPN+, and I know that ESPN would never do the above scenario because they want to sell ESPN+ memberships. However, the MAC does have a pretty good setup and like the SBC, they are 100% ESPN owned. Either way, it is a slow time of year and I think everyone is just looking for something to talk about. No need to take it so seriously.

To your last point, yes, I agree, the MAC has an excellent contract with ESPN and CBSSN. I hope for more of the same when the media rights deal comes up for renewal in 2026.

(05-11-2022 12:24 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  It’s funny how the people who just got here are already trying to come up with ways to change things.

You’re in our house now.

seriously, and is that a pirate snippet?

(05-11-2022 02:31 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I can't believe people are still paying for Cable and Satellite TV. What is everyone paying for their TV service?

Comcast
Internet 1200Mbps Unlimited $85
TV Antenna $0.00
ESPN+ $6.00
Sling TV $35 plus $10 for sports package
- ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ACCN, SECN, NBATV, PAC12N, BeIN, Longhorn, ACCNX, MLB, SEC Plus, ESPNU, ESPN News, Tennis, NHL, StrikeZOne

That's a really good deal for Comcast. I'm paying $85/month for their performance package (100 Mbps). In practice, I get 120 down but it's still ridiculously expensive. I just looked into upgrading to their 1200 Mbps service but it's $114/month where I am (WV).

Man. Ya'll have cheap internet. Comcast in my area is $75 for upto 200mbs, most of the time it only gets to 60mbs.
Best deal in my neighborhood is att fiber they just put in and ran a special offer for 300mbs at $45.
I also can't get good reception with an indoor antenna and the hoa doesn't allow antenna on the roof.

Cable is just really expensive here, what I end up doing is finding the best deal for football season and cancel the subscription after the season.

(05-12-2022 09:25 AM)KRT8871 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:31 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I can't believe people are still paying for Cable and Satellite TV. What is everyone paying for their TV service?

Comcast
Internet 1200Mbps Unlimited $85
TV Antenna $0.00
ESPN+ $6.00
Sling TV $35 plus $10 for sports package
- ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ACCN, SECN, NBATV, PAC12N, BeIN, Longhorn, ACCNX, MLB, SEC Plus, ESPNU, ESPN News, Tennis, NHL, StrikeZOne

That's a really good deal for Comcast. I'm paying $85/month for their performance package (100 Mbps). In practice, I get 120 down but it's still ridiculously expensive. I just looked into upgrading to their 1200 Mbps service but it's $114/month where I am (WV).

I get it for $85 because every year I get on their Online Chat on the Xfinity website. I talk them down and they keep it at that price for a year. Also, get on Amazon and buy your own Cable Modem and your own Router. This way they can't charge you rental fees on those devices. Will probably save you another $10 to $15 a month.

(05-12-2022 10:05 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 09:25 AM)KRT8871 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:31 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I can't believe people are still paying for Cable and Satellite TV. What is everyone paying for their TV service?

Comcast
Internet 1200Mbps Unlimited $85
TV Antenna $0.00
ESPN+ $6.00
Sling TV $35 plus $10 for sports package
- ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ACCN, SECN, NBATV, PAC12N, BeIN, Longhorn, ACCNX, MLB, SEC Plus, ESPNU, ESPN News, Tennis, NHL, StrikeZOne

That's a really good deal for Comcast. I'm paying $85/month for their performance package (100 Mbps). In practice, I get 120 down but it's still ridiculously expensive. I just looked into upgrading to their 1200 Mbps service but it's $114/month where I am (WV).

I get it for $85 because every year I get on their Online Chat on the Xfinity website. I talk them down and they keep it at that price for a year. Also, get on Amazon and buy your own Cable Modem and your own Router. This way they can't charge you rental fees on those devices. Will probably save you another $10 to $15 a month.

I own my own equipment. It's $85/month just for the service. I haven't tried calling to haggle them down though.

https://www.asktrim.com/

Trim will negotiate your bill down for you. You just pay them 15% of the total yearly savings.

Mine is 58 a month.

(05-12-2022 08:50 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:33 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:41 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  It's funny watching people get bent out of shape by conversations on a message board. None of us come close to controlling anything with how the league is run. So the "follow our lead" and "we know what we're doing" posts are just silly.

This is just fans talking and sharing ideas. Nothing more.

We know that. Our posts are silly UT yours isnt. What they remind me of is men at war. One group gets wiped out except for 3 guys. The other group is winning and no casualties but they take in the 3 survivors. First thing the 3 do is start saying "here is what we need to do". Uh huh. Actually I am glad for our 4 new members. I do hope people that can make changes don't start listening and try to do things the CUSA way. I imagine y'all don't want that either.

I'm not sure you do. A few if you talk as if you personally had a hand in realignment and any ideas from a "newbie" you don't like will adversely affect the whole landscape of the league.

As far as I know none of us are SBC employees. We don't make decisions. We're dudes sitting around a virtual bar shooting the breeze. It's really not that serious.

I think ESPN wanting to sell 10 or so games to CBSSN would be a good thing for exposure and production value. You don't. That's fine.

The production values of CBSSN are fine. The production values of ASN, Stadium, beIN and the NFL Network CUSA broadcasts were fine as well. But it was always an unwanted adventure to find the games and nobody watched us play on unknown networks that kept us irrelevant in the CFB landscape.

Give me ESPN and leave the second-rate networks to the second-rate conference we're leaving in a few weeks.

(05-12-2022 10:48 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  https://www.asktrim.com/

Trim will negotiate your bill down for you. You just pay them 15% of the total yearly savings.

Nice, have you used them before?

(05-12-2022 02:16 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:48 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  https://www.asktrim.com/

Trim will negotiate your bill down for you. You just pay them 15% of the total yearly savings.

Nice, have you used them before?

Yeah. Currently we're on an intro rate because we moved and put the account in my wife's name but in the past they've negotiated my bill down anywhere from $12 to $25 off a month.

(05-10-2022 07:32 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  We're locked in with ESPN through 2031.

I suppose they could sell off a package of games to someone though. They do with the MAC.

2031? Jesus ******* Christ

(05-12-2022 03:56 PM)Unknownghost Wrote:  

(05-10-2022 07:32 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  We're locked in with ESPN through 2031.

I suppose they could sell off a package of games to someone though. They do with the MAC.

2031? Jesus ******* Christ

That's only 9 years. lol

(05-12-2022 01:38 PM)FairwayEagle Wrote:  The production values of CBSSN are fine. The production values of ASN, Stadium, beIN and the NFL Network CUSA broadcasts were fine as well. But it was always an unwanted adventure to find the games and nobody watched us play on unknown networks that kept us irrelevant in the CFB landscape.

Give me ESPN and leave the second-rate networks to the second-rate conference we're leaving in a few weeks.

This is precisely how we felt about FloSports streaming, and CBSSN basketball. While it may be "available" to many people, the viewership numbers for both seem quite low. You don't get much exposure outside of your own fans who seek it out.

FWIW - Believe I also saw that Flo may be a big player in whatever CUSA assembles for their next deal. That platform is absolutely horrid, and feels like your fanbase is being held hostage.

No doubt we should stay with ESPN as it’s easy to find the vast majority of our games on ESPN Plus.

What I would like to see, at least here in Virginia, is a massive advertising campaign letting the public know both Old Dominion and James Madison games are fully available on ESPN Plus.

I suspect that would lead to increased ESPN Plus subscribtions, higher ratings for our games, and hopefully a better TV deal in the future.


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To the fans of former C-USA schools Re: ESPN+ vs. CBSSN:

Hypothetically, if ESPN decided to sell Sun Belt games to CBSSN (or FS1 or something), they'd likely be the Belt's less-premier matchups, whereas for C-USA, the CBSSN games were generally C-USA's first-picked games in a given week. Hypothetical Sun Belt games that would appear on CBSSN /FS1/FS2, etc., would probably otherwise be on ESPN+, relegated once ESPN gets their dibs on the games that go on linear ESPN channels.

Therein lies the difference between what the Sun Belt's media package is vs. C-USA's. The harder-to-access CBSSN games were the top C-USA games, whereas they'd be lower tier for the SBC. These are games that would, in C-USA, be on Stadium or Facebook or whatever.

A robust debate is possible between what is better between ESPN+ and CBSSN (or FS1/FS2), but overall the situation is so much better than what Marshall/ODU/USM have had.

Personally, I think if ESPN decided to sell games to a linear channel, albeit one that's relatively hard to access, it wouldn't be the worst thing. CBSSN games are far beyond better than the ESPN+ productions. They're neither homeristic in coverage, nor are they veering away from discussion about the game in front of them (i.e., talking about the Heisman and CFP race). But ESPN+ is so much simpler to get to for the fans of SB teams, hence the valid debate.

Something not considered is that if CBSSN gets tier rights, they can and will slap your ass onto Facebook, occasionally. Half our facebook games were Stadium/FB and the other half were CBSSN/FB. It would be better to keep what we have and make use of it. Do not get other media involved. We maybe can't stop them from selling games, but we damn sure don't have to wish for it. The fact this started by a Marshall fan that was just in CUSA's spin the wheel for a media deal setup makes me want to

In case that wasn't clear, this is a resounding NOOOOO F-ING WAY!!!!

(05-14-2022 08:08 AM)MUther Wrote:  Something not considered is that if CBSSN gets tier rights, they can and will slap your ass onto Facebook, occasionally. Half our facebook games were Stadium/FB and the other half were CBSSN/FB. It would be better to keep what we have and make use of it. Do not get other media involved. We maybe can't stop them from selling games, but we damn sure don't have to wish for it. The fact this started by a Marshall fan that was just in CUSA's spin the wheel for a media deal setup makes me want to

In case that wasn't clear, this is a resounding NOOOOO F-ING WAY!!!!

I guess I made you puke. So 2 things.

1. It wouldn't be tier rights.

2. Facebook was apart of the CUSA contract. Notice no other sub licensed games from the Big East, MAC, or CAA go there. They buy those games because they want them for their network.


This would be no way similar to CUSA's deal. Kind of crazy people keep spinning this into something it wouldn't be or try to equate Bein or Stadium to CBSSN but that's the internet I guess.