(05-03-2022 09:18 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(05-03-2022 08:11 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(05-03-2022 06:10 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(05-03-2022 06:00 PM)Eagle in the gym Wrote:  So if no attorney of conference headquarter employee gets a single penny, the left-behind C-USA schools only get up to $225k per school? That's vile. I'm happy for USM, but man, that's a lot of bad press for such chump change. That really couldn't have been negotiated?

1.75 mil x 3 teams leaving early = 5.25 mil

5.25 mil / 5 teams left - 1,312,500 per team

That is just from the settlement from leaving early. There will still be the one year of forfeit revenues from the SBC3 and the two years from the AAC6. Not sure what the actual split will be, but we just approved a soccer and softball locker room facility with costs of 3 million that is expected to be almost completely funded by the exit fees. I would guess each of the remaining CUSA5 will get around 3 mil each. There conference is probably reserving a small cut as well.

The total math there doesn't add up for all forfeit revenues from all sources. 3 mil per CUSA5 might just be this year's cut with another coming next year from the AAC6's forfeitures for that year.

Why do people think the remaining schools of a conference receive money from departing schools? Unless I'm missing something, the conference itself keeps the money.

Our AD has specifically said we are using exit funds for a facility for softball and soccer.

Quote:Stewart said WKU will put out a bid for construction in the coming weeks, but the facility is anticipated to cost roughly $3 million. The funds for constructing the facility will come primarily from exit fees from those leaving Conference USA, as well as the Hilltopper Athletic Foundation if needed. Construction is expected to begin this summer.

“We won’t have to take a loan out, there won’t be any state money used – it’ll all be paid for from those two areas, but primarily from the exit fees,” Stewart said.

https://www.bgdailynews.com/sports/wku/w...7db7e.html

After all the exit fees, and even if the conference takes something off the top for operations and OH, WKU should be able to build it no problem.

(05-04-2022 07:30 AM)slycat Wrote:  AAC3 leaving is pretty funny too. AAC thought they get millions more from each. It just shows, time and time again, that the schools leaving early never will have to pay what the conference or remaining members think they will. They only ones that seems, for now, to have really gotten caught in a legal hold are Texas and OU.

Which is precisely what a GOR is supposed to do. Until (and maybe after) one of those is actually challenged in court I'd say they're a pretty strong way to ensure teams stay in a league for a determined amount of time.

(05-03-2022 10:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Essentially the SBC3 paid out what they would have anyway forefited. In the end, CUSA gets its money, but the payout was negligible enough that no one thinks twice paying it.

From our perspective, it's a wash. Better than a wash, actually, because 1) we'll easily make up the extra $250k with saved travel expenses this coming year and 2) as arkstfan said, we start collecting SBC income one year sooner.

On CUSA's end, they can rightly claim the whole $1.75 million per school as a windfall. Since they were keeping the '22-'23 distributions either way, the payments allow them to double up on that income.

The only part of the equation that hasn't been definitively stated (that I've seen anyway) is whether or not losing 3 members immediately affects the CUSA media contracts, but there's not enough money even involved there to be too noticeable.

Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Doubt it.

(05-04-2022 11:28 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(05-03-2022 10:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Essentially the SBC3 paid out what they would have anyway forefited. In the end, CUSA gets its money, but the payout was negligible enough that no one thinks twice paying it.

From our perspective, it's a wash. Better than a wash, actually, because 1) we'll easily make up the extra $250k with saved travel expenses this coming year and 2) as arkstfan said, we start collecting SBC income one year sooner.

On CUSA's end, they can rightly claim the whole $1.75 million per school as a windfall. Since they were keeping the '22-'23 distributions either way, the payments allow them to double up on that income.

The only part of the equation that hasn't been definitively stated (that I've seen anyway) is whether or not losing 3 members immediately affects the CUSA media contracts, but there's not enough money even involved there to be too noticeable.

Plus, we get to play in the Sun Belt as soon as possible, instead of loitering in CUSA limbo.

I believe ODU has seen a lot of fan support and donation $$$ with the news, I imagine the others saw the same. Carrying that momentum forward is a boon for program health.

(05-04-2022 12:02 PM)TTT Wrote:  Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

*Should* exist vs will exist are two different things. For CUSA to disappear they need to drop below 8 FBS members, with a 2 year grace period. Effectively, that means they can keep on calling up FCS teams, and it appears many are eager to jump even if not ready or "worthy" of the label.

Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

(05-04-2022 12:31 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

C-USA wouldn't be the only conference impacted if the FBS minimum standards are increased and/or seriously enforced.

(05-04-2022 12:31 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:02 PM)TTT Wrote:  Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

*Should* exist vs will exist are two different things. For CUSA to disappear they need to drop below 8 FBS members, with a 2 year grace period. Effectively, that means they can keep on calling up FCS teams, and it appears many are eager to jump even if not ready or "worthy" of the label.

Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

Well, there is a reason the NCAA doesn't enforce things like they should, and I will say on record that I agree with you, if a school doesn't belong and can't afford to play, then they should take a note from Idaho (NMSU should have done the same thing). If the 15K rule was enforced, you would see at least 20 schools move back down, and most of them have played 1A ball for decades, some transitioned up within the last 15 years. Example would be most of the MAC conference, quite a few in CUSA, maybe even some in our conference.

When Marshall moved back up to FBS/1A in 97, there was also a stadium size rule to move up. Had to be 30K in size, which was funny because most of the MAC, where we were transitioning to, did not have a stadium anywhere close to that size. Somewhere along the lines that requirement disappeared. What does all this say?

The NCAA, as a governing body, doesn't govern.

(05-04-2022 12:31 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:02 PM)TTT Wrote:  Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

*Should* exist vs will exist are two different things. For CUSA to disappear they need to drop below 8 FBS members, with a 2 year grace period. Effectively, that means they can keep on calling up FCS teams, and it appears many are eager to jump even if not ready or "worthy" of the label.

Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

As long as administrators have egos and there are students around to foot the bill, being able to afford it won't be an issue.

(05-04-2022 01:07 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:31 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:02 PM)TTT Wrote:  Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

*Should* exist vs will exist are two different things. For CUSA to disappear they need to drop below 8 FBS members, with a 2 year grace period. Effectively, that means they can keep on calling up FCS teams, and it appears many are eager to jump even if not ready or "worthy" of the label.

Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

As long as administrators have egos and there are students around to foot the bill, being able to afford it won't be an issue.

It seems in SHSU case, the students have a say in this, and explicitly voted down an increase after they accepted the CUSA invite. Their attendance, facilities and funding seem particularly dicey in the near term.

https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam_ho...2f235.html

(05-04-2022 12:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Doubt it.

Double-doubt it. That baseball add just ensured that they will be stuck with her for a long while. I wager she will leave only when she’s ready to leave.

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Judy will get a raise

(05-04-2022 01:28 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Doubt it.

Double-doubt it. That baseball add just ensured that they will be stuck with her for a long while. I wager she will leave only when she’s ready to leave.

USM, Marshall, and UAB tried to get the troops to rally up and oust here and it didn't happen..

Doubt it'll happen any time soon.

(05-04-2022 02:38 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 01:28 PM)FrankyP Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Doubt it.

Double-doubt it. That baseball add just ensured that they will be stuck with her for a long while. I wager she will leave only when she’s ready to leave.

USM, Marshall, and UAB tried to get the troops to rally up and oust here and it didn't happen..

Doubt it'll happen any time soon.

Yeah the only school I think questions her is WKU. MTSU, LaTech and UTEP are ok with her decisions. FIU doesn't have a clue, I doubt they even know that there's even been a realignment going on.

(05-04-2022 12:26 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:25 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  They'll fire Judy this summer and be fine long term.

Doubt it.

It's like Kim Jong-un firing a test ICBM a few miles into the ocean. Everyone praises their leader even though technically he failed miserably. But they have to be seen as fully behind the decision making, while the rest of the world thinks they're a joke and isn't shy about saying so.

(05-04-2022 01:23 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 01:07 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:31 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 12:02 PM)TTT Wrote:  Really speaks to just how poor and strapped for cash/sinking ship CUSA is to be so petty for such a small amount of money.

IMO CUSA won't exist in 5-10 years and Judy and Co. just want to get as much as they can get, while they can get it...before the inevitable demise.

*Should* exist vs will exist are two different things. For CUSA to disappear they need to drop below 8 FBS members, with a 2 year grace period. Effectively, that means they can keep on calling up FCS teams, and it appears many are eager to jump even if not ready or "worthy" of the label.

Only two things that I think puts CUSA in real jeopardy is if the governance/transformation committee decides to increase FBS minimum standards, more robustly enforce the existing ones (15k attendance, etc), or if they simply can't afford to operate and schools pull the plug.

As long as administrators have egos and there are students around to foot the bill, being able to afford it won't be an issue.

It seems in SHSU case, the students have a say in this, and explicitly voted down an increase after they accepted the CUSA invite. Their attendance, facilities and funding seem particularly dicey in the near term.

https://www.itemonline.com/sports/sam_ho...2f235.html

For the millionth time this article had nothing to do with a move to FBS. SHSU tried to get that for operating at a deficit during the Covid year (nothing else). The students didn’t want a permanent fee for a short term issue.

Judy will get a big, fat raise and be dubbed St. Judy of Arcana. It will spin like this:

"Associated Press - CUSA suffered massively at the hands of the Sun Belt and AAC due to the malicious poaching nine teams from CUSA. Only through hard work, toil, sweat, and tears did did the fearless commissioner broker a deal in which she allowed the SBC3 to leave early (CLEARLY against conference BYELAWZ) and procuring large sums of money from each of Marshall, USM, and ODU.

With her unprecedented forward thinking, she has replaced the outgoing Texas (3) and Alabama (1) teams with FOUR Texas teams to the elation of the conference board. Houston Baptist, Sam Houston State, Tarleton State, and Stephen F Austin were added in Texas to replace mediocre at best Rice and UNT schools and fledgling flash in the pan UTSA and Jacksonville State will replace the aging UAB.

By ensuring the membership of the most potential in the state of Texas, Judy is sure to have cemented a solid FBS top-rated conference for years to come. It will almost assuredly send the TV deal into the stratosphere over the likes of the Sun Belt, MAC, and AAC. Bravo, Judy."


Bud Light presents: Real Women of Genius. Here's to you, Ms. Lost as a Golf Ball in Tall Grass CUSA Commissioner.

(05-04-2022 01:23 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  It seems in SHSU case, the students have a say in this, and explicitly voted down an increase after they accepted the CUSA invite. Their attendance, facilities and funding seem particularly dicey in the near term.

All anybody needs is a place to play and 200 scholarships across the department. If you have that, no one can stop you even if you go winless every year and play in front of crickets.

If it’s not Sam, it’ll be Kennesaw. If not them, EKU. If not them, Austin, Tarleton, McNeese, Abilene Christian, or Southwest Oklahoma State. There will always be somebody with bigger eyes than brains willing to go “big time.”