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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(04-19-2022 05:08 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 02:15 PM)masttg Wrote:  EMU cannot afford to build their own dorms--they cannot afford to build and staff a med school. Note that the state of Michigan refused to pay for the med schools at WMU and Oakland and neither school could afford it themselves. These schools are paid for by corporations (i.e. the local hospital chains).

MI is one of the best states to be a pre-med student because of declining undergrads and a high number of public med school seats. MSU has two schools with about 600 seats, UM has about 160, WSU has about 300, CMU has about 100 (WMU and Oakland are private med schools.)

Wayne State and MSU (DO) offer full medical education in city of Detroit. Every school (including the private ones) offer clerkships sites (years 3-4) across the state, including Detroit.

That is some great info! Thanks.

quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.
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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(05-01-2022 07:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 05:08 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 02:15 PM)masttg Wrote:  EMU cannot afford to build their own dorms--they cannot afford to build and staff a med school. Note that the state of Michigan refused to pay for the med schools at WMU and Oakland and neither school could afford it themselves. These schools are paid for by corporations (i.e. the local hospital chains).

MI is one of the best states to be a pre-med student because of declining undergrads and a high number of public med school seats. MSU has two schools with about 600 seats, UM has about 160, WSU has about 300, CMU has about 100 (WMU and Oakland are private med schools.)

Wayne State and MSU (DO) offer full medical education in city of Detroit. Every school (including the private ones) offer clerkships sites (years 3-4) across the state, including Detroit.

That is some great info! Thanks.

quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.

Yep - MSU is doing the right thing by further developing programs (Medical Scool) that will be highly sought after professional jobs. EMU would need to be very creative to further our programs in the medical field because the demand for medical professionals exceeds the supply.
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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(05-01-2022 11:43 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 07:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 05:08 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 02:15 PM)masttg Wrote:  EMU cannot afford to build their own dorms--they cannot afford to build and staff a med school. Note that the state of Michigan refused to pay for the med schools at WMU and Oakland and neither school could afford it themselves. These schools are paid for by corporations (i.e. the local hospital chains).

MI is one of the best states to be a pre-med student because of declining undergrads and a high number of public med school seats. MSU has two schools with about 600 seats, UM has about 160, WSU has about 300, CMU has about 100 (WMU and Oakland are private med schools.)

Wayne State and MSU (DO) offer full medical education in city of Detroit. Every school (including the private ones) offer clerkships sites (years 3-4) across the state, including Detroit.

That is some great info! Thanks.

quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.

Yep - MSU is doing the right thing by further developing programs (Medical Scool) that will be highly sought after professional jobs. EMU would need to be very creative to further our programs in the medical field because the demand for medical professionals exceeds the supply.

What you say is true, but wasn't MSU big advantage is that they already have a medical school at their main campus and also at Grand Rapids and this is another SATELLITE campus?

No way can we do what they plan to do (start a satellite medical campus).
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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(05-01-2022 11:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 11:43 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 07:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 05:08 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 02:15 PM)masttg Wrote:  EMU cannot afford to build their own dorms--they cannot afford to build and staff a med school. Note that the state of Michigan refused to pay for the med schools at WMU and Oakland and neither school could afford it themselves. These schools are paid for by corporations (i.e. the local hospital chains).

MI is one of the best states to be a pre-med student because of declining undergrads and a high number of public med school seats. MSU has two schools with about 600 seats, UM has about 160, WSU has about 300, CMU has about 100 (WMU and Oakland are private med schools.)

Wayne State and MSU (DO) offer full medical education in city of Detroit. Every school (including the private ones) offer clerkships sites (years 3-4) across the state, including Detroit.

That is some great info! Thanks.

quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.

Yep - MSU is doing the right thing by further developing programs (Medical Scool) that will be highly sought after professional jobs. EMU would need to be very creative to further our programs in the medical field because the demand for medical professionals exceeds the supply.

What you say is true, but wasn't MSU big advantage is that they already have a medical school at their main campus and also at Grand Rapids and this is another SATELLITE campus?

No way can we do what they plan to do (start a satellite medical campus).
MSU has two medical schools: CHM and COM. CHM grants the MD degree while COM grants the DO degree. Each school has more than one campus.

EMU offers several grad-level healthcare degrees. These include PA, OT, NP. Upping the size of these programs requires having enough clinical rotation spots. This has been hard to nail down.
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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(05-02-2022 12:06 AM)masttg Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 11:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 11:43 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 07:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 05:08 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  That is some great info! Thanks.

quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.

Yep - MSU is doing the right thing by further developing programs (Medical Scool) that will be highly sought after professional jobs. EMU would need to be very creative to further our programs in the medical field because the demand for medical professionals exceeds the supply.

What you say is true, but wasn't MSU big advantage is that they already have a medical school at their main campus and also at Grand Rapids and this is another SATELLITE campus?

No way can we do what they plan to do (start a satellite medical campus).
MSU has two medical schools: CHM and COM. CHM grants the MD degree while COM grants the DO degree. Each school has more than one campus.

EMU offers several grad-level healthcare degrees. These include PA, OT, NP. Upping the size of these programs requires having enough clinical rotation spots. This has been hard to nail down.

I have some general knowledge, although in a related field.

I'm more familiar through another person of the field of Speech and Language Pathology.

In some respects it is an allied field of special education. In some respects it is an allied field of medical care esp. in nursing homes with persons having difficulties after strokes, memory care, Parkinson's, etc. with issues of speech and shallowing.

Programs granting those degrees need to (required) to have say 400 contact practicum hours with hospitals, nursing homes, schools, etc. as part of a master's degree which prepares for licensing and full certification (full certification involves passing a test and another year of supervised professional experience).

This stuff isn't easy, esp. if a college doesn't have an affiliated hospital. I believe the size of the class (e.g. class of 2024) is more dependent on the school's ability to obtain these practicum placements than the faculty's ability to teach grad classes. I've heard where schools really had to press hard to get enough practicum hours so their students could meet that requirement of their degree (practicum hours). If they had the academic hours but not practicum hours they could not graduate.

I'm sure things are similar for occupations like occupational and physical therapy, clinical psychology, etc.

This stuff isn't easy. It's not like a degree in econ or history or whatever.
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RE: Future of Higher Education in Michigan
(05-02-2022 05:44 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 12:06 AM)masttg Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 11:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 11:43 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(05-01-2022 07:15 AM)emu steve Wrote:  quick note about MSU and Henry Ford Hosp.

"But it's the groundbreaking of a $150 million joint research institute in the next 15 months and simultaneous creation of a four-year medical school in the city that is the linchpin to the partnership."

"The 400,000-square-foot research institute and medical school in Detroit will mimic MSU's venture with Spectrum in Grand Rapids." Crain's Business Report.

To me, these kind of stories including UofM Detroit Center for Innovation are more interesting than a PWO's commitment in CFB. Both are expected to break ground in 2023 and lead to a lot of academic activity in Midtown and New Center areas of Detroit. (for those not familiar with Detroit, New Center is off Woodward, north of Wayne State's campus and home to Hernry Ford Hospital.

Starting at the Detroit River and Woodward, headed north, one can go through the CBD (central business district), lower midtown area with Comerica, Ford Field, Little Caesars Arena. A little further north is Wayne State's campus and then an area Tech Town and New Center. Lot of development here the last 5, 10 and 15 years.

Twenty five years ago it was, very, very drab to say the least.

Yep - MSU is doing the right thing by further developing programs (Medical Scool) that will be highly sought after professional jobs. EMU would need to be very creative to further our programs in the medical field because the demand for medical professionals exceeds the supply.

What you say is true, but wasn't MSU big advantage is that they already have a medical school at their main campus and also at Grand Rapids and this is another SATELLITE campus?

No way can we do what they plan to do (start a satellite medical campus).
MSU has two medical schools: CHM and COM. CHM grants the MD degree while COM grants the DO degree. Each school has more than one campus.

EMU offers several grad-level healthcare degrees. These include PA, OT, NP. Upping the size of these programs requires having enough clinical rotation spots. This has been hard to nail down.

I have some general knowledge, although in a related field.

I'm more familiar through another person of the field of Speech and Language Pathology.

In some respects it is an allied field of special education. In some respects it is an allied field of medical care esp. in nursing homes with persons having difficulties after strokes, memory care, Parkinson's, etc. with issues of speech and shallowing.

Programs granting those degrees need to (required) to have say 400 contact practicum hours with hospitals, nursing homes, schools, etc. as part of a master's degree which prepares for licensing and full certification (full certification involves passing a test and another year of supervised professional experience).

This stuff isn't easy, esp. if a college doesn't have an affiliated hospital. I believe the size of the class (e.g. class of 2024) is more dependent on the school's ability to obtain these practicum placements than the faculty's ability to teach grad classes. I've heard where schools really had to press hard to get enough practicum hours so their students could meet that requirement of their degree (practicum hours). If they had the academic hours but not practicum hours they could not graduate.

I'm sure things are similar for occupations like occupational and physical therapy, clinical psychology, etc.

This stuff isn't easy. It's not like a degree in econ or history or whatever.

Yes. Practicum/clinical spots/mentoring are a primary variable in setting class sizes.
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