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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 12:17 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 11:32 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 06:09 PM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-16-2022 05:14 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(04-15-2022 03:18 PM)SammyH Wrote:  Tarleton is anything but ripe for a CUSA invitation, although Matt Brown has categorized them as "desperate" to move up.

Their athletic budget ($11M as of 19-20) is puny compared to EKU, SFA and Kennesaw's budgets. Their football budget is hardly half of SHSU, SFA and Lamar's. Their attendance numbers look solid... until you watch one singular game and realize empty seats are counted as "fans". CUSA reps found this out the hard way, when they reportedly left at halftime during their game with SHSU this fall. They're non-competitive in basketball, which CUSA is strong in and will be looking to improve upon.

They basically add nothing, although they like to claim they command the Forth Worth market. When their name was first brought up in talks publicly, Tarleton State was the butt of every CUSA joke. The perception of a D2 quality school joining might kill the conference. TSU won't be CUSA anytime soon.

I’m ok with not being part of the flyover conference. Not like it’s going to do much for SH other than get the opportunity to be embarrassed and travel weary on a shoestring budget.

WAC will be fine for now until TSU gets its infrastructure in place.

Btw, at least we don’t have worry about playing in front of an empty stadium. I’m sure fans will be so much more enthusiastic to come watch CUSA teams they never heard of. Enjoy

My bad, SHSU fans will either be in Houston or enjoying an A&M game or party. Why hang around Prison U for the weekend?
Then why is your school desperately begging the league to let them in?

Tarleton fans picking at SHSU's nonexistent fan base will never NOT be ironic. Are you aware TSU averaged a hair over 4k fans just a few years ago? lol!

What the admin does and what I think is perfectly fine is two different schools of thought.

To your second point about a fan base. Do yourself a favor a go to a Tarleton nome game. Enjoy the tailgating and see for yourself what a fan base looks like.
Tarleton released a story before the SHSU game urging fans to call it "Upset City" and fill up the stadium with 16,000 fans.

Only half of them showed up... are Tarleton got blown out. Quite the showing. There's a reason we're going big time and you're being left behind. Again.

Half of 16k us 8. That’s 8,000 fans. Sam can only hope to draw that large a crowd to home games.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 06:17 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 12:17 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 11:32 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 06:09 PM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-16-2022 05:14 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  I’m ok with not being part of the flyover conference. Not like it’s going to do much for SH other than get the opportunity to be embarrassed and travel weary on a shoestring budget.

WAC will be fine for now until TSU gets its infrastructure in place.

Btw, at least we don’t have worry about playing in front of an empty stadium. I’m sure fans will be so much more enthusiastic to come watch CUSA teams they never heard of. Enjoy

My bad, SHSU fans will either be in Houston or enjoying an A&M game or party. Why hang around Prison U for the weekend?
Then why is your school desperately begging the league to let them in?

Tarleton fans picking at SHSU's nonexistent fan base will never NOT be ironic. Are you aware TSU averaged a hair over 4k fans just a few years ago? lol!

What the admin does and what I think is perfectly fine is two different schools of thought.

To your second point about a fan base. Do yourself a favor a go to a Tarleton nome game. Enjoy the tailgating and see for yourself what a fan base looks like.
Tarleton released a story before the SHSU game urging fans to call it "Upset City" and fill up the stadium with 16,000 fans.

Only half of them showed up... are Tarleton got blown out. Quite the showing. There's a reason we're going big time and you're being left behind. Again.

Half of 16k us 8. That’s 8,000 fans. Sam can only hope to draw that large a crowd to home games.
Yep, and CUSA still thought we were better for their conference than Tarleton. lol!

We had one crowd north of that this year and they still took us over TSU.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
Southland:
HBU-4,120
McNeese-7,648
University of New Orleans-8,151
Nicholls State University-6,366
Northwestern State University-10,979
Southeastern Louisiana University-14,327
Corpus-11,929
Commerce -12,385
Lamar -16,191


WAC:
ACU-5,334
California Baptist University-11,491
Dixie State University-12,650
Grand Canyon University-25,000
Seattle University-7,755
SFA-11,946
Tarleton State University-13,996
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley-32,419
Utah Valley University-41,728
UIW-9,366
Southern Utah University-11,224
UT Arlington-42,863

You've got a lot of growing & willing to spend state schools in the WAC and some well funded private schools. The McNeese and Friends conference simply doesn't have that. Just entirely different dynamics.
04-18-2022 11:30 AM
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 11:30 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  Southland:
HBU-4,120
McNeese-7,648
University of New Orleans-8,151
Nicholls State University-6,366
Northwestern State University-10,979
Southeastern Louisiana University-14,327
Corpus-11,929
Commerce -12,385
Lamar -16,191


WAC:
ACU-5,334
California Baptist University-11,491
Dixie State University-12,650
Grand Canyon University-25,000
Seattle University-7,755
SFA-11,946
Tarleton State University-13,996
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley-32,419
Utah Valley University-41,728
UIW-9,366
Southern Utah University-11,224
UT Arlington-42,863

You've got a lot of growing & willing to spend state schools in the WAC and some well funded private schools. The McNeese and Friends conference simply doesn't have that. Just entirely different dynamics.

Grand Canyon has 25,000 students on campus but another 90,000 who take classes online. That's a lot of revenue. There are a lot of rich Christian schools in the WAC (GCU, CBU, Seattle, ACU, UIW). And a few large State colleges (UVU, UTRGV, UTA). Most of the schools in the WAC are growing whereas most of the SLC schools have been stagnant for years.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 12:20 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 11:30 AM)TallTexan Wrote:  Southland:
HBU-4,120
McNeese-7,648
University of New Orleans-8,151
Nicholls State University-6,366
Northwestern State University-10,979
Southeastern Louisiana University-14,327
Corpus-11,929
Commerce -12,385
Lamar -16,191


WAC:
ACU-5,334
California Baptist University-11,491
Dixie State University-12,650
Grand Canyon University-25,000
Seattle University-7,755
SFA-11,946
Tarleton State University-13,996
University of Texas Rio Grande Valley-32,419
Utah Valley University-41,728
UIW-9,366
Southern Utah University-11,224
UT Arlington-42,863

You've got a lot of growing & willing to spend state schools in the WAC and some well funded private schools. The McNeese and Friends conference simply doesn't have that. Just entirely different dynamics.

Grand Canyon has 25,000 students on campus but another 90,000 who take classes online. That's a lot of revenue. There are a lot of rich Christian schools in the WAC (GCU, CBU, Seattle, ACU, UIW). And a few large State colleges (UVU, UTRGV, UTA). Most of the schools in the WAC are growing whereas most of the SLC schools have been stagnant for years.

I was just looking at the Texas State University System (Lamar and Sam Houston State's system) February Board Meeting Minutes. The enrollment stories looked positive for both.

For Lamar:
Fall 2021 enrollment: High - 17,170. Final official - 16,161.
6.6% increase from 2019.
1st time college freshmen - 5% increase from 2020. Increase of 24% since Fall, 2019.

Spring, 2022 preliminary enrollment shows a 20% increase (300 students) over 2020.

Quote:President’s Briefing for The Texas State University System Board of Regents
February 2022

RETENTION & RECRUITMENT

Lamar University has a number of strategic initiatives underway to address recruitment and retention. Total enrollment numbers for Fall 2021 (all parts of term) reached 17,170 students, a 6.6% increase over Fall 2019. Looking at the 3-year trend, new first-time in college freshman enrollment has continued to increase. Fall 2021 vs 2020 increased by 5%, reaching a total of 1,538, a net of 71 students and increased 24% since Fall 2019. In addition, despite the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, the yield on new first time in college freshman admitted to enrolled increased by 4%. Preliminary date-to-date enrollment reports for Spring 2022 show an increase of approximately 300 students, or +20%, over Spring 2020...

Link: TSUS February Board Minutes (See Page 476)
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 08:17 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 06:17 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 12:17 AM)SammyH Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 11:32 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 06:09 PM)SammyH Wrote:  Then why is your school desperately begging the league to let them in?

Tarleton fans picking at SHSU's nonexistent fan base will never NOT be ironic. Are you aware TSU averaged a hair over 4k fans just a few years ago? lol!

What the admin does and what I think is perfectly fine is two different schools of thought.

To your second point about a fan base. Do yourself a favor a go to a Tarleton nome game. Enjoy the tailgating and see for yourself what a fan base looks like.
Tarleton released a story before the SHSU game urging fans to call it "Upset City" and fill up the stadium with 16,000 fans.

Only half of them showed up... are Tarleton got blown out. Quite the showing. There's a reason we're going big time and you're being left behind. Again.

Half of 16k us 8. That’s 8,000 fans. Sam can only hope to draw that large a crowd to home games.
Yep, and CUSA still thought we were better for their conference than Tarleton. lol!

We had one crowd north of that this year and they still took us over TSU.

You run your mouth like an outboard motor and 90% of the time your clueless of what you are talking about but yet I find you entertaining.

Do yourself a favor and realize Tarleton is a school in transition which makes them unattractive to FBS at the moment. Go look at where state funding is going and you will see TSU is being built at quite a cost. So, yes we have time and money most other Texas schools don't have nor do they have the weight to gain access. (PUF) Tarleton and Sam are literally speaking two ships passing in the night.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 02:15 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  You run your mouth like an outboard motor and 90% of the time your clueless of what you are talking about but yet I find you entertaining.

Do yourself a favor and realize Tarleton is a school in transition which makes them unattractive to FBS at the moment. Go look at where state funding is going and you will see TSU is being built at quite a cost. So, yes we have time and money most other Texas schools don't have nor do they have the weight to gain access. (PUF) Tarleton and Sam are literally speaking two ships passing in the night.

Maybe with all that PUF funding and a little luck, you could eventually manage to become the eighth most popular college athletic program in Texas!
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 02:25 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:15 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  You run your mouth like an outboard motor and 90% of the time your clueless of what you are talking about but yet I find you entertaining.

Do yourself a favor and realize Tarleton is a school in transition which makes them unattractive to FBS at the moment. Go look at where state funding is going and you will see TSU is being built at quite a cost. So, yes we have time and money most other Texas schools don't have nor do they have the weight to gain access. (PUF) Tarleton and Sam are literally speaking two ships passing in the night.

Maybe with all that PUF funding and a little luck, you could eventually manage to become the eighth most popular college athletic program in Texas!

I know you're joking but being the 8th biggest athletic program in the state would actually be a pretty big feat.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 02:25 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:15 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  You run your mouth like an outboard motor and 90% of the time your clueless of what you are talking about but yet I find you entertaining.

Do yourself a favor and realize Tarleton is a school in transition which makes them unattractive to FBS at the moment. Go look at where state funding is going and you will see TSU is being built at quite a cost. So, yes we have time and money most other Texas schools don't have nor do they have the weight to gain access. (PUF) Tarleton and Sam are literally speaking two ships passing in the night.

Maybe with all that PUF funding and a little luck, you could eventually manage to become the eighth most popular college athletic program in Texas!

Yes, and maybe just maybe NMSU can actually have a winning season in football again and have the euphoria of actually beating UTEP in the Sun Bowl. Wouldn’t that be the bestest. And with all of this momentum folks in New Mexico would recognize NMSU as more than some desert outpost and put them on equal footing with the LOBOS of UNM. Finally Folks at NMSU will have their land of enchantment. Thanks troll for your sarcasm.
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RE: The Texas 4 and the WAC
(04-18-2022 03:33 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:25 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:15 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  You run your mouth like an outboard motor and 90% of the time your clueless of what you are talking about but yet I find you entertaining.

Do yourself a favor and realize Tarleton is a school in transition which makes them unattractive to FBS at the moment. Go look at where state funding is going and you will see TSU is being built at quite a cost. So, yes we have time and money most other Texas schools don't have nor do they have the weight to gain access. (PUF) Tarleton and Sam are literally speaking two ships passing in the night.

Maybe with all that PUF funding and a little luck, you could eventually manage to become the eighth most popular college athletic program in Texas!

Yes, and maybe just maybe NMSU can actually have a winning season in football again and have the euphoria of actually beating UTEP in the Sun Bowl. Wouldn’t that be the bestest. And with all of this momentum folks in New Mexico would recognize NMSU as more than some desert outpost and put them on equal footing with the LOBOS of UNM. Finally Folks at NMSU will have their land of enchantment. Thanks troll for your sarcasm.

Do you have a response that doesn't rely on whataboutism? NMSU's shittyness is orthogonal to Tarleton's absolute shittyness.
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