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RE: MAC MBB Transfers/Portal
(04-07-2022 05:09 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
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(04-07-2022 03:18 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 07:40 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Why do players transfer:

https://247sports.com/college/texas/Arti...30419/Amp/

Straight from Ohio Tranfer:

Sears knows what he's looking for in a program.
“I'm looking for the right fit where I'm surrounded by great players,” he said. “My role will be key, the spotlight, the stage where I'm playing against the best night in and night out and being able to prove myself.” And from reading the article, most players want to hear about a path to the NBA

That is crazy how much interest Sears is getting. That article makes him sound like a top national prospect. (Might be exaggerated as we are hearing it from Sears perspective).

Ramy,

One of my points is that all players believe they’re better than what is reality (Mo Njie)

Encouraging that Heath feels he can replace our departures and declared not finishing in 2nd place in recruiting

Sears in my estimation is fabulous. Keep in mind that the point guard in Ann Arbor was a grad transfer from powerhouse Coastal Carolina and to be frank, Sears is better with three years of eligibility left. I love the MAC but you are not going to play in front of 10K fans at home. You will only participate in the NCAA tournament if your team wins the conference tourney. Name the last time a MAC player's name was called in the NBA draft. With today's rules, I see the MAC as less of a final destination for Mark Sears and more for a P6 guy transferring down like Tre'Shaun Fletcher, the 2017-18 MAC player of the year. He enjoyed being the big fish in the small pond.

Lucky you are so right about MAC guys thinking they are better than they are. Recent cases in point being Ty Groce and Marreon Jackson. At least their foray into the Power 6 gave them an idea about their North American pro potential, which is NONE. They can plan their futures accordingly.

I will also second, third and fourth your jubilation about Heath's recruiting comments. His confidence and concern reassure me about his hire. Apparently, he does not feel as if he is recruiting to Afghanistan.
None drafted in the last 20 years 2 did play for a short while starting 2006 I think.07-coffee3
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(04-07-2022 06:55 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Point taken, although…
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/confe.../nba-draft

Ramy all of FIVE in this millennium? I love you man and thank you for the research, but it tends to support my contention. The MAC is NOT an avenue to the NBA!
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RE: MAC MBB Transfers/Portal
(04-07-2022 07:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 06:55 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Point taken, although…
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/confe.../nba-draft

Ramy all of FIVE in this millennium? I love you man and thank you for the research, but it tends to support my contention. The MAC is NOT an avenue to the NBA!

But it could be…….I do believe the MAC has strengthened it’s coaches the past couple of years. Now the conference needs to help itself by not scheduling the Rochester College, Adrian College, Marygrove etc so we increase our reputation and visibility to the basketball world. The reality is, it could be a quick fix if the ADs and commissioner want to be a better conference and attract better players and grow the fan base. For example, Akron could have easily beaten UCLA and I would argue they were the fourth best team that gelled in the tournament. Our top four teams were one player away from making a big splash in the tournament. Heck, just think if Noah was playing with Tolbert, Thomas, Coffield, Boykins, etc. Football takes an enormous amount of resources to be great but basketball not so much in comparison. I believe the MAC must be more competitive in basketball.
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RE: MAC MBB Transfers/Portal
(04-07-2022 07:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 06:55 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Point taken, although…
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/confe.../nba-draft

Ramy all of FIVE in this millennium? I love you man and thank you for the research, but it tends to support my contention. The MAC is NOT an avenue to the NBA!

From the point in time that the NBA draft went down to 2 rounds in 1989 until 2003, the MAC had 11 players drafted in 14 years. I think we all agree this was the glory era of MAC basketball (probably started a little earlier in the eighties than that). They were a top ten conference back then.

MAC basketball completely tanked since then and only has 3 draftees. Conversely, I think MAC football really improved since then, twice breaching NY6- NIU in 2013 and WMU in 2017. Even lowly EMU football produced an NFL defensive star in Maxx Crosby. I agree with Luckey that the MAC invested heavily into football and came at the expense of basketball- not that they should be mutually exclusive, but it turned out that way.

Regardless, D1 is D1 and if you are good enough for the NBA you will get noticed by the NBA just as easily through the MAC. NBA scouts are not swayed by the prestige of the P6- at least in my opinion.
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(04-07-2022 10:19 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 07:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 06:55 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Point taken, although…
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/confe.../nba-draft

Ramy all of FIVE in this millennium? I love you man and thank you for the research, but it tends to support my contention. The MAC is NOT an avenue to the NBA!

From the point in time that the NBA draft went down to 2 rounds in 1989 until 2003, the MAC had 11 players drafted in 14 years. I think we all agree this was the glory era of MAC basketball (probably started a little earlier in the eighties than that). They were a top ten conference back then.

MAC basketball completely tanked since then and only has 3 draftees. Conversely, I think MAC football really improved since then, twice breaching NY6- NIU in 2013 and WMU in 2017. Even lowly EMU football produced an NFL defensive star in Maxx Crosby. I agree with Luckey that the MAC invested heavily into football and came at the expense of basketball- not that they should be mutually exclusive, but it turned out that way.

Regardless, D1 is D1 and if you are good enough for the NBA you will get noticed by the NBA just as easily through the MAC. NBA scouts are not swayed by the prestige of the P6- at least in my opinion.

Great posts Ramy and Jerry!
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I can understand that Sears wants to play in his home state


https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFm...id=US%3Aen
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Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html
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(04-08-2022 06:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html

The NBA has no interest in a guard who shoots 31.1% from the three. He’ll need to come back next year and pull that number up to at least the high thirties to be considered.
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(04-08-2022 12:02 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 06:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html

The NBA has no interest in a guard who shoots 31.1% from the three. He’ll need to come back next year and pull that number up to at least the high thirties to be considered.

One thing I do NOT know is how much compensation G-Leaguers get.

Are many of these kids hoping to get a Vegas summer invite and maybe make the G-League team???
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(04-08-2022 01:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 12:02 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 06:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html

The NBA has no interest in a guard who shoots 31.1% from the three. He’ll need to come back next year and pull that number up to at least the high thirties to be considered.

One thing I do NOT know is how much compensation G-Leaguers get.

Are many of these kids hoping to get a Vegas summer invite and maybe make the G-League team???
I looked it up a few years ago. As I recall its a relatively short season and they are only paid $40-45k. Something like that.
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(04-08-2022 01:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 12:02 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 06:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html

The NBA has no interest in a guard who shoots 31.1% from the three. He’ll need to come back next year and pull that number up to at least the high thirties to be considered.

One thing I do NOT know is how much compensation G-Leaguers get.

Are many of these kids hoping to get a Vegas summer invite and maybe make the G-League team???

Agree that Toledo’s SG Rollins shooting just 31 percent on three’s is not going to cut it in the NBA. But do believe he can alter his shooting form and increase his shooting percentage. He doesn’t to return to play for Toledo to accomplish that.

Believe G-leaguers paid minimum of $150,000 annually.
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(04-08-2022 02:35 PM)alum93 Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 01:34 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 12:02 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-08-2022 06:52 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Toledo's Rollins is exploring the NBA, but APPARENTLY leaving his options open.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-945854.html

The NBA has no interest in a guard who shoots 31.1% from the three. He’ll need to come back next year and pull that number up to at least the high thirties to be considered.

One thing I do NOT know is how much compensation G-Leaguers get.

Are many of these kids hoping to get a Vegas summer invite and maybe make the G-League team???
I looked it up a few years ago. As I recall its a relatively short season and they are only paid $40-45k. Something like that.

You are correct. The Ignite super recruits get the big bucks.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/10/g-le...rease.html
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(04-07-2022 11:17 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I can understand that Sears wants to play in his home state


https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEFm...id=US%3Aen

Pretty sure that as soon as Sears put his name in the portal, Nate Oats was dialing the phone to him. I always thought Nate underachieved with his assembled talent, but that dude could really bring in the thoroughbreds! That 2018-19 team he had ranked a 13 on the MAC 1-10 talent scale, they were flat out superb.
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(04-07-2022 10:19 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 07:05 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  
(04-07-2022 06:55 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  Point taken, although…
https://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/confe.../nba-draft

Ramy all of FIVE in this millennium? I love you man and thank you for the research, but it tends to support my contention. The MAC is NOT an avenue to the NBA!

From the point in time that the NBA draft went down to 2 rounds in 1989 until 2003, the MAC had 11 players drafted in 14 years. I think we all agree this was the glory era of MAC basketball (probably started a little earlier in the eighties than that). They were a top ten conference back then.

MAC basketball completely tanked since then and only has 3 draftees. Conversely, I think MAC football really improved since then, twice breaching NY6- NIU in 2013 and WMU in 2017. Even lowly EMU football produced an NFL defensive star in Maxx Crosby. I agree with Luckey that the MAC invested heavily into football and came at the expense of basketball- not that they should be mutually exclusive, but it turned out that way.

Regardless, D1 is D1 and if you are good enough for the NBA you will get noticed by the NBA just as easily through the MAC. NBA scouts are not swayed by the prestige of the P6- at least in my opinion.

Ramy, you did hit the bullseye on that one. The EMU football program is more competitive to the CFP participating U-M program than it is to Blue's middling B1G conference basketball team. You adroitly pointed out that fact.

Lucky called it out. The low budget MAC is chasing the much larger pigskin dollars and basketball has been neglected as a result. You don't want to invest in something? Then please don't exceptional results either, plain and simple.

Therefore, don't be shocked by our transfer-up migration. The MAC has created the environment for just such to happen.
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Rollins is rated as the #45 draft prospect by one reputable site now. So, mid 2nd round. His 3 pt % is really the only NBA concern. Scouts love his mid range game, ability to create space, driving skills, and the way he moves on the court. Rocket fans hoping he doesn't perform really well in workouts and stay in the draft. That's what happened with Jason Preston last year when he moved from late 2nd round projection to a late 1st/early 2nd after workouts and the combine. Personally, I think he could come back, have a big year and be a lottery pick, but we'll see. He's not shooting for the G League. That's small $ and he will be back in the MAC if he's not a 1st round or early 2nd round projection this year.
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(04-08-2022 09:22 PM)pono Wrote:  Rollins is rated as the #45 draft prospect by one reputable site now. So, mid 2nd round. His 3 pt % is really the only NBA concern. Scouts love his mid range game, ability to create space, driving skills, and the way he moves on the court. Rocket fans hoping he doesn't perform really well in workouts and stay in the draft. That's what happened with Jason Preston last year when he moved from late 2nd round projection to a late 1st/early 2nd after workouts and the combine. Personally, I think he could come back, have a big year and be a lottery pick, but we'll see. He's not shooting for the G League. That's small $ and he will be back in the MAC if he's not a 1st round or early 2nd round projection this year.

We argued over this past summer whether Rollins is NBA material. I said he was a terrific college player, but questioned Rollins three-point shooting. At some point in time we’ll find out.

Will be interesting to follow both Rollins and Monty Scott’s professional careers.

Would note that Monty Scott prior to coming down with Covid, in 7 of EMU’s 11 non-conference games, shot over 33 percent or better on three’s in those games, 48.1 percent (13-27) to be precise, compared to Rollins shooting 33 percent or better in 6 of 11 his non-conference games, or 48.2 percent (12-25) on three’s.

Both players made 50 percent or more of their two’s in 6 of the 11 non-conference games they played in, with Scott shooting 61.6 percent (37-60) on two’s, and Rollins shooting 60.2 percent (47-78) on two’s.

And while Scott has played 5 years of college ball and Rollins just two seasons, Scott’s best stats closely matches Rollins best stats.

As Scott shot in conference play his first season 36.8 percent, his second season 38.5 percent on three’s, and he shot 35.6 percent on three’s in conference play his fourth season. Rollins shot 33 percent on three’s in conference play in each of the two seasons he’s played.

Scott shot 54.7 percent on two’s in conference play at Temple, while Rollins shot 57.2 percent on two’s this past season in MAC play.

Scott averaged 4.9 foul shots in conference play his fourth season, Rollins averaged 4.7 foul shots per conference game this past season.

Scott shot 87.8 percent at the foul-line in conference play his second year, Rollins shot 80.6 percent in conference play this past season.

Scott averaged 3.2 assists per conference game in his fourth season, while Rollins averaged 3.9 assists in conference play this past season.

Scott averaged 5.3 rebounds per game, including 1.7 offensive rebounds in conference games his fourth season, while Rollins averaged 5.9 rebounds per game, including .9 offensive rebounds, this past season in conference play.

Scott averaged 1.8 steals per conference game his fourth season, while Rollins averaged 1.7 steals per conference game this past season.

Scott averaged 1.1 turnovers and 1.7 personal fouls per conference game this past season, while Rollins averaged 2.0 turnovers and 2.2 personal fouls in conference play this past season.
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So first Ohio’s Sears, and now Akron’s Ali Ali are gone. He is transferring to Butler (same path as Ty Groce a year earlier)…
https://verbalcommits.com/players/ali-ali
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(04-09-2022 04:08 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  So first Ohio’s Sears, and now Akron’s Ali Ali are gone. He is transferring to Butler (same path as Ty Groce a year earlier)…
https://verbalcommits.com/players/ali-ali

Thanks for letting us know. I always thought Ali was a true talent, but then I was Ty Groce's biggest fan as well. What truly distressed me is that Ty did so little for Butler and honestly Butler was HORRIBLE! Ty could not see the floor when they only had mediocre at best, Golden and Nze on their frontline? Still shaking my head.
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Players in the portal have until May 1st to sign with a team or they’ll have to sit out the next season? Is this true?
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