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RE: NCAA Tournament Discussion
(03-17-2022 09:28 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  i listened to a podcast from last year with bruiser and dwayne killings who played for bruiser at umass and is the head coach a albany now. they were talking about black coaches getting fired too quickly and not getting as much slack as their white counterparts. i'm completely supportive of that...but bruiser made comments that he only had 2 losing seasons and he was let go.

he had a decade and a half to build our program. that was plenty of slack. it doesn't help his colleagues when he's not realistic about it being time to go.

Bruiser went 150-117 in an extremely talented CAA (ODU, George Mason, and VCU). He put together an enjoyable program, and won some tough OOC road games. Zach Spiker is 36-63 in a watered down CAA, the quality of basketball at Drexel is currently unwatchable.

Maybe Bruiser has a valid point regarding discrimination of African American coaches? I'd prefer to see Bashir lead the basketball program at Drexel.

Spiker Conference Record:
Patriot League (45-65)
CAA (36-63)

Bruiser Conference Record:
A10 (52-28)
CAA (150-117)
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Carolina doing everything possible to collapse. 25 point lead with like 14 to go and it got down to a 3 point game. They will hold on and the continuation of champions falling before the first weekend will continue, but man it was ugly for them
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RE: NCAA Tournament Discussion
(03-18-2022 03:16 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  
(03-17-2022 09:28 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  i listened to a podcast from last year with bruiser and dwayne killings who played for bruiser at umass and is the head coach a albany now. they were talking about black coaches getting fired too quickly and not getting as much slack as their white counterparts. i'm completely supportive of that...but bruiser made comments that he only had 2 losing seasons and he was let go.

he had a decade and a half to build our program. that was plenty of slack. it doesn't help his colleagues when he's not realistic about it being time to go.

Bruiser went 150-117 in an extremely talented CAA (ODU, George Mason, and VCU). He put together an enjoyable program, and won some tough OOC road games. Zach Spiker is 36-63 in a watered down CAA, the quality of basketball at Drexel is currently unwatchable.

Maybe Bruiser has a valid point regarding discrimination of African American coaches? I'd prefer to see Bashir lead the basketball program at Drexel.

Spiker Conference Record:
Patriot League (45-65)
CAA (36-63)

Bruiser Conference Record:
A10 (52-28)
CAA (150-117)

other coaches might have a point. he did not. comparing him to spiker is worthless because the jury is still out on spiker. i could compare him to coach k to make my point but i'm not that stupid.
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RE: NCAA Tournament Discussion
(03-18-2022 03:16 PM)bmf25 Wrote:  
(03-17-2022 09:28 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  i listened to a podcast from last year with bruiser and dwayne killings who played for bruiser at umass and is the head coach a albany now. they were talking about black coaches getting fired too quickly and not getting as much slack as their white counterparts. i'm completely supportive of that...but bruiser made comments that he only had 2 losing seasons and he was let go.

he had a decade and a half to build our program. that was plenty of slack. it doesn't help his colleagues when he's not realistic about it being time to go.

Bruiser went 150-117 in an extremely talented CAA (ODU, George Mason, and VCU). He put together an enjoyable program, and won some tough OOC road games. Zach Spiker is 36-63 in a watered down CAA, the quality of basketball at Drexel is currently unwatchable.

Maybe Bruiser has a valid point regarding discrimination of African American coaches? I'd prefer to see Bashir lead the basketball program at Drexel.

Spiker Conference Record:
Patriot League (45-65)
CAA (36-63)

Bruiser Conference Record:
A10 (52-28)
CAA (150-117)

Bruiser went 29-41 in the CAA over his final four years, including 3-15 in the final year, and never got over the hump into the Big Dance. You talk about unwatchable basketball, those final couple of seasons were far worse than the current state of the program. The Spiker question is up for debate, but Bruiser got more than a fair shot at the job. After 15 years, no tourney appearances, and 6-25, it's simply time for a fresh start.
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Been an outstanding tournament so far through the first weekend. I am sure with 4 double digit teams left, the total seed count is the highest ever. Unfortunately most of those double digits seeds are middling majors making a run. Non-power schools did not survive. St Peters is the only non power school left. Houston and Providence are the next non-typical powers. Not sure anyone can really cheer for Sampson though.

Larranaga and Miami are still alive. Providences coach is easy to cheer for as well.
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On the women's side, for as many people who scream there are no upsets, it has been a great tournament. Iowa and Baylor, both expected to be contenders for a title are out. South Dakota and Creighton are in. Villanova plays Michigan tonight, Princeton should have a chance against Indiana, as well. Kenny Brooks and VT fell to FGCU in round 1. Mid majors doing their part in showing they deserve better seeding than they constantly get
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just to move the conversation from the alumni thread...

if you're looking for a black coach not getting enough time...how about ashley howard at lasalle? 45-71 in 4 seasons is not good. i get it. one of those seasons was a covid year as we all know where it's tough to judge a coach one way or another.

compare that to billy lange at st. joe's. he's 22-60 in 3 seasons at st. joe's. they have 4 players leaving the program including the two guys that were worth anything against us...hall who is going pro and funk who is transferring. in other words they're going to suck again this year.

i understand there's new leadership at lasalle. lange was hired by the new leadership at st. joe's after the railroaded a legend. there's probably an element of sju grasping at straws to avoid admitting how badly they screwed up on so many levels. whatever the reason...and not to make this a discussion on race necessarily...but if bruiser was going to point to a potential difference in how coaches are treated...here it is.
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Details matter too, can't just look at it from 1000 feet out. Different programs have different goals and expectations, including how patient they are. That being said, La Salle is also trying to get donations for their new gym. If major donors wont donate without a change of coach, then it forces the schools hand. This is especially true when it comes to a school that is in horrible financial shape like La Salle is. Desperation can lead to rash decisions or short term decisions over long term.
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(03-21-2022 08:14 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  just to move the conversation from the alumni thread...

if you're looking for a black coach not getting enough time...how about ashley howard at lasalle?

I had the exact same thought. Four years really doesn't seem like enough time. Saw someone point out that La Salle's "Southwest Philly Floater" Sweet 16 run came in Giannini's NINTH season.

My take on Bru's comments are that two things can be true: Black coaches are on shorter leashes than their white counterparts generally AND Bruiser may have been justifiably fired after the program reached the absolute bottom. (Bruiser's last team was epically bad. We had six wins in 2015-16, the fewest in 65 years and the .194 win percentage was Drexel's lowest since the 1940s.)
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(03-22-2022 08:27 AM)JonP Wrote:  
(03-21-2022 08:14 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  just to move the conversation from the alumni thread...

if you're looking for a black coach not getting enough time...how about ashley howard at lasalle?

I had the exact same thought. Four years really doesn't seem like enough time. Saw someone point out that La Salle's "Southwest Philly Floater" Sweet 16 run came in Giannini's NINTH season.

My take on Bru's comments are that two things can be true: Black coaches are on shorter leashes than their white counterparts generally AND Bruiser may have been justifiably fired after the program reached the absolute bottom. (Bruiser's last team was epically bad. We had six wins in 2015-16, the fewest in 65 years and the .194 win percentage was Drexel's lowest since the 1940s.)

completely agree...and i think we'd have even better discussions about race if people realized both can be true. common ground isn't something we work to achieve in these debates.
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UNCW won last night to advance to the CIT championship against Middle Tennessee State. Our foe Abilene lost last night to MTSU. So its nice to see UNCW have a chance at a title.
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(03-23-2022 09:23 AM)dan10 Wrote:  UNCW won last night to advance to the CIT championship against Middle Tennessee State. Our foe Abilene lost last night to MTSU. So its nice to see UNCW have a chance at a title.

It's the CBI, not CIT. The CIT no longer exists, thank goodness. I'm still hoping that the NIT expands to 64 like the WNIT to put an end to these nonsense tournaments.
It's funny though. I was following the UNCW game on Monday and saw they were getting killed and I assumed that they lost. I had no idea until now that they stormed back to win from 19 down.

I frequently look at the ESPN win probability chart within games. In both Monday's UNCW game AND Drexel's WNIT game, ESPN gave Bucknell and Drake a win probability of over 99.6% at some point during the game.
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Yeah it was a huge comeback for them. Drake is a solid team, so that was shocking they were able to come back in that one. And sorry, I had the letters mixed up. I still think its great had a chance to keep playing off a massive season and they are cashing in. Last nights game as on ESPN2.
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(03-23-2022 11:06 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(03-23-2022 09:23 AM)dan10 Wrote:  UNCW won last night to advance to the CIT championship against Middle Tennessee State. Our foe Abilene lost last night to MTSU. So its nice to see UNCW have a chance at a title.

It's the CBI, not CIT. The CIT no longer exists, thank goodness. I'm still hoping that the NIT expands to 64 like the WNIT to put an end to these nonsense tournaments.
It's funny though. I was following the UNCW game on Monday and saw they were getting killed and I assumed that they lost. I had no idea until now that they stormed back to win from 19 down.

I frequently look at the ESPN win probability chart within games. In both Monday's UNCW game AND Drexel's WNIT game, ESPN game their opponents a win probability of over 99.6% at some point during the game.

Here's the win probability chart (in the attachment below:

Also there is the 8-team WBI in a women' postseason
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UNCW did win the CBI title last night over MTSU. It took 2 OTs. UNCW ended up knocking off both the top 2 seeds. Congrats to them
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(03-24-2022 09:11 AM)dan10 Wrote:  UNCW did win the CBI title last night over MTSU. It took 2 OTs. UNCW ended up knocking off both the top 2 seeds. Congrats to them

...and they did it after their big guys fouled out. I thought a lot of the 50/50 calls went MTSU's way.

But the funniest foul was the one at the end of the game when MTSU had to foul immediately as the ball was inbounded by UNCW to try to maintain clock. Freshman player on MTSU missed the class on how to do that properly. Instead, he just walked up behind a UNCW player and gently wrapped him in a bear hug before the ball was put into play. One of the few times I've seen that intentional foul actually called an intentional foul. Several WTF looks exchanged on court.
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He seemed so puzzled at the call. Even the announcers were dumbfounded at his stupidity and that the ref HAD to call it. Such a bad play that cost them dearly. Then again UNCW made a mistake that allowed OT too. Plenty of mental lapses in that game. Was still nice to watch a game on tv that included a CAA team
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Quality games last night. Gonzaga couldnt get it going and missed a lot of easy buckets. They limped along this tournament and it caught up to them. Houston controlled Arizona the entire way. So for how bad the CAA is there are now 2 teams in the elite eight that Hofstra either beat (arkansas) or should have beat (houston). That is pretty impressive for Hofstra, who was a clear 3rd place team
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Wow.....what a game by St. Peter's!
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Philadelphia LOVES #15 seeds. This is the 3rd time that a #15 seed won an NCAA Tournament game in Philadelphia. FGCU's road to the 16 as a #15 seed was in Philadelphia 9 years ago. I was there when FGCU beat Georgetown. That was fun.
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