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(03-30-2022 07:03 PM)Windycitybronco Wrote:  Missing the point on Saddi, it’s not necessarily about facilities, it’s about investment. When you have crap facilities as we do it sends a signal to potential coaches that we don’t take basketball seriously enough…or any sport for that matter.

It’s pretty bad when one of your own alums turns down what would be (in title at least) a chance at promotion to remain an assistant.

Our athletics and our school have become an afterthought to just about everyone. We win bowl games, doesn’t matter. We have 10 years of success in the MAC for basketball, doesn’t matter….we just piss every chance to take a step up away over what amounts to Pennies.

We refuse to invest $1 to make millions. It’s maddening.

But by all means, build more for the academia, who will forever be average regardless of the new building and modern facilities all over gods green acre of west Michigan…..unreal.

This. 100000 times. This.

Baseball and softball teams playing home games on the road because their facilities are garbage. University arena hasn’t been touched since the late 90s… Waldo looks fine but floods every year. Soccer field had to be moved off campus. The school we all love doesn’t give a **** about athletics and it shows.
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(03-30-2022 09:33 PM)StrikeGold1 Wrote:  The school we all love doesn’t give a **** about athletics and it shows.

It’s true.

But it’s not likely to change anytime soon.

Dan’s plan (for basketball) to help the budget is 6 buy in games next year.

6 losses. Fewer home games for fans.

Aspiring to the Texas Southern model I guess.

You have no idea how bad the program was 3 years ago.

None.

Whatever the appearance - it was infinitely worse.

Dude comes in and doesn’t win much in 2 years,

But was on the verge of turning it around.

Despite that, folks wanted him fired.

Now.

The prevailing theme is that nobody can win at WMU because of lack of support.

Which is it?
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RE: Bring Saddi Home
Football won a bowl game & beat a P5, hockey top 8 team w/ wins over at least 10 ranked teams I believe this year, basketball gave up on a coach after only 2 years in a complete rebuild. Let's not pretend the school doesn't care about athletics.
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(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?
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I think all the facility talk is by simple people who don't want to acknowledge the obvious: That men's bball is dying to feed the insatiable beast of football.

I love WMU football and football in general but football in the MAC has diminishing returns. We could dump $1 billion into the football program but we're never going to win a national title. Hockey and men's bball are not the rivalry here, the rivalry here is the Ohio State-style "football at any costs" approach.

Also, 30 years ago, while the wealth gap between the "Power 5" and everyone else was large, it was not insurmountable. A MAC school could afford to hire away a Big 14 assistant to its head coaching job and still provide a great raise and a decent standard of living.

Because realignment and TV money have decimated the revenues of non Power 5 conferences. assistant coaches from Power 5 conferences not only have to settle for a smaller raise but they're also busing everywhere. It's really disappointing.
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I really don’t get why Sadi turned WMU down for a second time. I mean there aren’t many head coach’s jobs out there. Does he really think that he plans a P5 head coaching position with zero head coaching experience??
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(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.
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(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Yet WMU has the largest Endowment Fund in the MAC-by a significant amount. Latest information shows WMU has about $ 200 Million advantage over the 2nd most Endowed School in the MAC-Ohio University.

Western has lots of friends with deep pockets, but it's true average Alumni aren't giving like they should. They used to, something has changed over the years.
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(03-31-2022 07:30 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I really don’t get why Sadi turned WMU down for a second time. I mean there aren’t many head coach’s jobs out there. Does he really think that he plans a P5 head coaching position with zero head coaching experience??

It means he'd rather be an assistant at U-M than HC at WMU.
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RE: Bring Saddi Home
(04-01-2022 06:03 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:30 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I really don’t get why Sadi turned WMU down for a second time. I mean there aren’t many head coach’s jobs out there. Does he really think that he plans a P5 head coaching position with zero head coaching experience??

It means he'd rather be an assistant at U-M than HC at WMU.

Or waiting for his son to graduate from high school before moving.
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RE: Bring Saddi Home
Ugh, why is this just coming out now. It's too late in the process to have just rec'd a decline.

Whatever, personally I'm fine w/ the decision. He could have any job in the country he wants. Only thing I'm surprised is he'd rather be an assistant then a head coach at a P5 or Big East kind of program. I don't get that. I am hoping we get one of those national power DII coaches.
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RE: Bring Saddi Home
(04-01-2022 12:10 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Yet WMU has the largest Endowment Fund in the MAC-by a significant amount. Latest information shows WMU has about $ 200 Million advantage over the 2nd most Endowed School in the MAC-Ohio University.

Western has lots of friends with deep pockets, but it's true average Alumni aren't giving like they should. They used to, something has changed over the years.

WMU giving is low by % of alumni who give (somewhere around 4%), while we do have some big fish who give a lot. It's a bad model.
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RE: Bring Saddi Home
(04-01-2022 12:10 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Yet WMU has the largest Endowment Fund in the MAC-by a significant amount. Latest information shows WMU has about $ 200 Million advantage over the 2nd most Endowed School in the MAC-Ohio University.

Western has lots of friends with deep pockets, but it's true average Alumni aren't giving like they should. They used to, something has changed over the years.

Not that it matters that much, but the only reason for WMU's endowment advantage over the rest of the MAC is the recent $550M gift.

As for alumni not donating-- the solution to that is increasing engagement which athletics can be critical for.
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(04-01-2022 03:02 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(04-01-2022 12:10 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Yet WMU has the largest Endowment Fund in the MAC-by a significant amount. Latest information shows WMU has about $ 200 Million advantage over the 2nd most Endowed School in the MAC-Ohio University.

Western has lots of friends with deep pockets, but it's true average Alumni aren't giving like they should. They used to, something has changed over the years.

Not that it matters that much, but the only reason for WMU's endowment advantage over the rest of the MAC is the recent $550M gift.

As for alumni not donating-- the solution to that is increasing engagement which athletics can be critical for.

My understanding is that the $550M gift is spread out over 10 years. So I'm not sure it has much to do with current endowment numbers. If I recall correctly the endowment was somewhere near $500M before (CMU under $200M for comparison). Not sure what it is now.
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The gift is spread out over 10 years, our endowment as of 2021 is listed at 494 million, fourth behind Buffalo (788m), Ohio (762m), and Miami (558M) per Wikipedia.
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I am not letting this turn into a woke v. Conservative, vax v. Anti-vax flex. Sorry fellas.
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(04-01-2022 03:48 PM)Bronco68 Wrote:  The gift is spread out over 10 years, our endowment as of 2021 is listed at 494 million, fourth behind Buffalo (788m), Ohio (762m), and Miami (558M) per Wikipedia.

The time period over which the capital is being transferred to WMU is unclear, but the $ 550 Million is an amazing figure and denotes strong support for WMU's mission. This on top of an Endowment Fund listed at $ 495 Million in 2021.

Alumni giving used to be better, it has slid in recent years. There are many reasons for that undoubtedly, we've seen some of them discussed in this forum.
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(04-01-2022 03:10 PM)bronco1988 Wrote:  
(04-01-2022 03:02 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(04-01-2022 12:10 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Yet WMU has the largest Endowment Fund in the MAC-by a significant amount. Latest information shows WMU has about $ 200 Million advantage over the 2nd most Endowed School in the MAC-Ohio University.

Western has lots of friends with deep pockets, but it's true average Alumni aren't giving like they should. They used to, something has changed over the years.

Not that it matters that much, but the only reason for WMU's endowment advantage over the rest of the MAC is the recent $550M gift.

As for alumni not donating-- the solution to that is increasing engagement which athletics can be critical for.

My understanding is that the $550M gift is spread out over 10 years. So I'm not sure it has much to do with current endowment numbers. If I recall correctly the endowment was somewhere near $500M before (CMU under $200M for comparison). Not sure what it is now.

The articles that came out when the gift was made said it more than doubled our endowment, so I was going by that assumption that it was counting in our endowment number.

If that's not the case, then I can't find any source that has WMU's endowment as highest in the MAC. 5th according to Wikipedia, for whatever that's worth.
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(04-01-2022 08:51 PM)wmutkelaw Wrote:  I am not letting this turn into a woke v. Conservative, vax v. Anti-vax flex. Sorry fellas.

Thank you!
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(03-31-2022 07:37 PM)okgc Wrote:  
(03-31-2022 07:05 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(03-30-2022 07:26 PM)okgc Wrote:  Discussed earlier on Stampede was that WMU has one of the lowest Alumni donation %.

What is your source on that?

US News keeps track of that.
Typical university has 8% of Alumni donating with some over 40%.
Last number I saw somewhere WMU was at 4%.

You are welcome to verify.

Is that 8% all colleges, public and private?

I wonder what the MAC average is, which is a better gauge of peer Midwest schools.
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