(01-30-2023 09:53 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Exactly they are not efficient, but they are effective. The keys to CofC is rebounding. If you dont let them get offensive rebounds their efficiency problems will show. Secondly, and their fans would admit it, slow the pace. Since they are all about number of possessions, if you limit possessions their inefficiencies show and expose them. Thats really it. You do either or both of those things and CofC is very beatable. You dont do those and it will be a long game for you.

Saying "slow the pace" is easier said than done. I was there in person when we played them and it was honestly the fastest i've ever seen anyone get the ball up the floor. The ball was barely through the net on a make for us and it was pass pass pass shot!

(01-30-2023 10:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 09:53 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Exactly they are not efficient, but they are effective. The keys to CofC is rebounding. If you dont let them get offensive rebounds their efficiency problems will show. Secondly, and their fans would admit it, slow the pace. Since they are all about number of possessions, if you limit possessions their inefficiencies show and expose them. Thats really it. You do either or both of those things and CofC is very beatable. You dont do those and it will be a long game for you.

Saying "slow the pace" is easier said than done. I was there in person when we played them and it was honestly the fastest i've ever seen anyone get the ball up the floor. The ball was barely through the net on a make for us and it was pass pass pass shot!

Exactly, if you look at the play-by-play, there was one possession where they scored a basket 5 seconds after we made a basketball. The way that is recorded, that is bottom of the the next to bottom of the net...and if I remember correctly, it was inbounds to the foul line, 1 pass ahead for a made 3. They had the shot up within 2-3 seconds of us scoring and trying to set up full court pressure. There was another possession that where they scored a layup after a made FG within 7 seconds. We could've defended the layup better, but the three was insanely fast.

(01-30-2023 12:47 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 10:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 09:53 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Exactly they are not efficient, but they are effective. The keys to CofC is rebounding. If you dont let them get offensive rebounds their efficiency problems will show. Secondly, and their fans would admit it, slow the pace. Since they are all about number of possessions, if you limit possessions their inefficiencies show and expose them. Thats really it. You do either or both of those things and CofC is very beatable. You dont do those and it will be a long game for you.

Saying "slow the pace" is easier said than done. I was there in person when we played them and it was honestly the fastest i've ever seen anyone get the ball up the floor. The ball was barely through the net on a make for us and it was pass pass pass shot!

Exactly, if you look at the play-by-play, there was one possession where they scored a basket 5 seconds after we made a basketball. The way that is recorded, that is bottom of the the next to bottom of the net...and if I remember correctly, it was inbounds to the foul line, 1 pass ahead for a made 3. They had the shot up within 2-3 seconds of us scoring and trying to set up full court pressure. There was another possession that where they scored a layup after a made FG within 7 seconds. We could've defended the layup better, but the three was insanely fast.

That's what happened when we took the 5 point lead, that might be the play you are talking about. We didn't have time to celebrate and then the 3 took the air out.

(01-30-2023 01:48 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:47 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 10:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 09:53 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Exactly they are not efficient, but they are effective. The keys to CofC is rebounding. If you dont let them get offensive rebounds their efficiency problems will show. Secondly, and their fans would admit it, slow the pace. Since they are all about number of possessions, if you limit possessions their inefficiencies show and expose them. Thats really it. You do either or both of those things and CofC is very beatable. You dont do those and it will be a long game for you.

Saying "slow the pace" is easier said than done. I was there in person when we played them and it was honestly the fastest i've ever seen anyone get the ball up the floor. The ball was barely through the net on a make for us and it was pass pass pass shot!

Exactly, if you look at the play-by-play, there was one possession where they scored a basket 5 seconds after we made a basketball. The way that is recorded, that is bottom of the the next to bottom of the net...and if I remember correctly, it was inbounds to the foul line, 1 pass ahead for a made 3. They had the shot up within 2-3 seconds of us scoring and trying to set up full court pressure. There was another possession that where they scored a layup after a made FG within 7 seconds. We could've defended the layup better, but the three was insanely fast.

That's what happened when we took the 5 point lead, that might be the play you are talking about. We didn't have time to celebrate and then the 3 took the air out.

...and then we had three bad offensive possessions in a row.

(01-30-2023 02:18 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 01:48 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 12:47 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 10:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(01-30-2023 09:53 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Exactly they are not efficient, but they are effective. The keys to CofC is rebounding. If you dont let them get offensive rebounds their efficiency problems will show. Secondly, and their fans would admit it, slow the pace. Since they are all about number of possessions, if you limit possessions their inefficiencies show and expose them. Thats really it. You do either or both of those things and CofC is very beatable. You dont do those and it will be a long game for you.

Saying "slow the pace" is easier said than done. I was there in person when we played them and it was honestly the fastest i've ever seen anyone get the ball up the floor. The ball was barely through the net on a make for us and it was pass pass pass shot!

Exactly, if you look at the play-by-play, there was one possession where they scored a basket 5 seconds after we made a basketball. The way that is recorded, that is bottom of the the next to bottom of the net...and if I remember correctly, it was inbounds to the foul line, 1 pass ahead for a made 3. They had the shot up within 2-3 seconds of us scoring and trying to set up full court pressure. There was another possession that where they scored a layup after a made FG within 7 seconds. We could've defended the layup better, but the three was insanely fast.

That's what happened when we took the 5 point lead, that might be the play you are talking about. We didn't have time to celebrate and then the 3 took the air out.

...and then we had three bad offensive possessions in a row.

That's what we do at the end of games!

UNCW is now only one game ahead of Drexel for the all important #4 finish in the CAA with five games left and we just took one of our worst beatings of the Siddle era at Charleston. We still have to play Northeastern at home, Drexel and Delaware on the road, and Towson at home for our final game. Based on the way we've been playing we could lose any and all of our remaining games and a top 4 finish looks to be a mighty big hill to climb.

With Ross out, we just haven't competed like we did when he was playing. Losing one guy who barely scored just shouldn't matter this much, but it has. MHH was responsible for most of our bench points and inserting him as a starter hasn't worked out. We've had one good game against A&T, but we've struggled in every other game and have been blown out in two games since Ross left. It's time to break the safety glass and pull out the fire hose to put out this fire. What we're doing isn't working. Giving big minutes to Harvey in the absence of Ross has been a disaster. He is the exact opposite type of player Ross was. Not a leader, no size, no toughness, can't defend, can't rebound and doesn't play smart. He is a one trick pony who can set up in the corner and hit three's on the kick out, that's it. Siddle has given EVH more PT, but he's a guard and doesn't have the skills to score or defend s.in the post. But most puzzling of all is the refusal to give Hodge anything more than token minutes. He's a smart player, he can defend and he can rebound. He can also score, which we need BADLY, and he can create his own shot. If he doesn't get more PT going forward i'll have to question the coaching ability of Siddle, because it isn't even close when you compare Hodge and Harvey on the court.

We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now. And if we lose to NU, we're more likely than not to finish outside of the top 4.

(02-09-2023 05:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now.

Hodge was a bright spot yesterday, I agree. He looked confident and he produced.

Charleston is a very very good team that is full of guys who can drain threes, crash boards, and aggressively disrupt your team on defense. But my take was that yesterday's collapse - I don't know of any better way to describe it - was less about Charleston (or about who was in, or missing from) our lineup than it was about our team's reaction to getting cold-cocked.

Mike Tyson used to say that 'everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth'. Charleston's "shock and awe" run at the end of the first half pretty much worked. The Hawks were shocked and awed, and then proceeded to get beat down in every phase of the game in the second half. There is way too much talent on our team for anything else to account for any other explanation.

So I agree that some kind of lineup shakeup is called for on Saturday, and starting Hodge sounds like not a bad idea. But our guys will have to figure out - fast - what kind of team they are, because if they want to meet their self-stated goal of going to the NCAA tournament there is not much room for error.

(02-09-2023 05:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  UNCW is now only one game ahead of Drexel for the all important #4 finish in the CAA with five games left and we just took one of our worst beatings of the Siddle era at Charleston. We still have to play Northeastern at home, Drexel and Delaware on the road, and Towson at home for our final game. Based on the way we've been playing we could lose any and all of our remaining games and a top 4 finish looks to be a mighty big hill to climb.

With Ross out, we just haven't competed like we did when he was playing. Losing one guy who barely scored just shouldn't matter this much, but it has. MHH was responsible for most of our bench points and inserting him as a starter hasn't worked out. We've had one good game against A&T, but we've struggled in every other game and have been blown out in two games since Ross left. It's time to break the safety glass and pull out the fire hose to put out this fire. What we're doing isn't working. Giving big minutes to Harvey in the absence of Ross has been a disaster. He is the exact opposite type of player Ross was. Not a leader, no size, no toughness, can't defend, can't rebound and doesn't play smart. He is a one trick pony who can set up in the corner and hit three's on the kick out, that's it. Siddle has given EVH more PT, but he's a guard and doesn't have the skills to score or defend s.in the post. But most puzzling of all is the refusal to give Hodge anything more than token minutes. He's a smart player, he can defend and he can rebound. He can also score, which we need BADLY, and he can create his own shot. If he doesn't get more PT going forward i'll have to question the coaching ability of Siddle, because it isn't even close when you compare Hodge and Harvey on the court.

We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now. And if we lose to NU, we're more likely than not to finish outside of the top 4.

His reluctance to go to Hodge is mind boggling. All he does is produce when given the chance. When Ross got hurt it was natural to think we'd see a uptick in Hodge's minutes and we just haven't seen it which is mind boggling frankly. And Harvey should really be pulling slivers from here on out IMO he brings very little and has regressed IMO.

Poor leadership at all levels.

(02-09-2023 05:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now. And if we lose to NU, we're more likely than not to finish outside of the top 4.

1. You arent losing to NU
2. You arent falling from the top 4.

Drexel has: Towson, you guys, and NU at home with Hofstra and Hampton on the road. There might be 2 wins there for Drexel, maybe. More likely 1 win. So they will be at 9 or 10 wins

NC A&T has: Delaware and Hampton at home and SBU, Monmouth and Towson on the road. They likely win 3 maybe 4 but are 2 behind you. 3 wins takes them to 10 wins

That leaves you guys needing essentially 1 maybe 2 wins the rest of the way. And you have Delaware (road) and NU and SBU at home. Easily 2 wins on bad days on your schedule.

Give me 0% chance UNCW falls outside the top 4

(02-09-2023 05:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  UNCW is now only one game ahead of Drexel for the all important #4 finish in the CAA with five games left and we just took one of our worst beatings of the Siddle era at Charleston. We still have to play Northeastern at home, Drexel and Delaware on the road, and Towson at home for our final game. Based on the way we've been playing we could lose any and all of our remaining games and a top 4 finish looks to be a mighty big hill to climb.

With Ross out, we just haven't competed like we did when he was playing. Losing one guy who barely scored just shouldn't matter this much, but it has. MHH was responsible for most of our bench points and inserting him as a starter hasn't worked out. We've had one good game against A&T, but we've struggled in every other game and have been blown out in two games since Ross left. It's time to break the safety glass and pull out the fire hose to put out this fire. What we're doing isn't working. Giving big minutes to Harvey in the absence of Ross has been a disaster. He is the exact opposite type of player Ross was. Not a leader, no size, no toughness, can't defend, can't rebound and doesn't play smart. He is a one trick pony who can set up in the corner and hit three's on the kick out, that's it. Siddle has given EVH more PT, but he's a guard and doesn't have the skills to score or defend s.in the post. But most puzzling of all is the refusal to give Hodge anything more than token minutes. He's a smart player, he can defend and he can rebound. He can also score, which we need BADLY, and he can create his own shot. If he doesn't get more PT going forward i'll have to question the coaching ability of Siddle, because it isn't even close when you compare Hodge and Harvey on the court.

We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now. And if we lose to NU, we're more likely than not to finish outside of the top 4.

SeaHawk Perch mentioned in his blog yesterday that Ross is looking at returning for the final week of the season. Getting him back healthy before the tournament will be key.

(02-09-2023 03:30 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(02-09-2023 05:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  UNCW is now only one game ahead of Drexel for the all important #4 finish in the CAA with five games left and we just took one of our worst beatings of the Siddle era at Charleston. We still have to play Northeastern at home, Drexel and Delaware on the road, and Towson at home for our final game. Based on the way we've been playing we could lose any and all of our remaining games and a top 4 finish looks to be a mighty big hill to climb.

With Ross out, we just haven't competed like we did when he was playing. Losing one guy who barely scored just shouldn't matter this much, but it has. MHH was responsible for most of our bench points and inserting him as a starter hasn't worked out. We've had one good game against A&T, but we've struggled in every other game and have been blown out in two games since Ross left. It's time to break the safety glass and pull out the fire hose to put out this fire. What we're doing isn't working. Giving big minutes to Harvey in the absence of Ross has been a disaster. He is the exact opposite type of player Ross was. Not a leader, no size, no toughness, can't defend, can't rebound and doesn't play smart. He is a one trick pony who can set up in the corner and hit three's on the kick out, that's it. Siddle has given EVH more PT, but he's a guard and doesn't have the skills to score or defend s.in the post. But most puzzling of all is the refusal to give Hodge anything more than token minutes. He's a smart player, he can defend and he can rebound. He can also score, which we need BADLY, and he can create his own shot. If he doesn't get more PT going forward i'll have to question the coaching ability of Siddle, because it isn't even close when you compare Hodge and Harvey on the court.

We'd better figure this out between now and Saturday because Northestern is perfectly capable of coming into Trask and hanging an L on the Hawks' if we don't make changes now. And if we lose to NU, we're more likely than not to finish outside of the top 4.

SeaHawk Perch mentioned in his blog yesterday that Ross is looking at returning for the final week of the season. Getting him back healthy before the tournament will be key.

Coach mentioned that on the coaches show Monday. Will be interesting to see how that plays out, usually it takes a few games to get back into game speed shape

Okay I finally had a great week last week so here’s my picks ATS:

Tribe
Seawolves
Huskies
Cougars
Tigers
Monmouth Hawks.

(02-11-2023 12:04 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Okay I finally had a great week last week so here’s my picks ATS:

Tribe
Seawolves
Huskies
Cougars
Tigers
Monmouth Hawks.

Wow picking against UNCW at home, interesting.

(02-11-2023 02:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2023 12:04 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Okay I finally had a great week last week so here’s my picks ATS:

Tribe
Seawolves
Huskies
Cougars
Tigers
Monmouth Hawks.

Wow picking against UNCW at home, interesting.

In fairness, he thinks UNCW will win - but not against the spread.

(02-11-2023 05:57 PM)70shawk Wrote:  

(02-11-2023 02:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-11-2023 12:04 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Okay I finally had a great week last week so here’s my picks ATS:

Tribe
Seawolves
Huskies
Cougars
Tigers
Monmouth Hawks.

Wow picking against UNCW at home, interesting.

In fairness, he thinks UNCW will win - but not against the spread.

What is the spread? Anything near 10 and I'd agree with that stance


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Just pick the opposite of my picks and you would be rich this year LOL! Last year I killed it, not this year at all.

Interesting stats since MHH and White have been starters together.

CAA games only. Eight games, one game with both in double figures, 23 points per game combined average.

Elon - MHH 9 pts., White 7 pts. (16 pts combined)
Hofstra - MHH 13 pts White 3 pts (16 pts combined)
Stony Brook - MHH 31 pts White 5 pts (36 pts combined)
Monmouth White 16 pts MHH 14 pts (30 pts combined)
A&T MHH 13 pts White 7 pts (20 pts. combined)
W&M White 21 pt MHH 2 (23 pts. combined)
Charleston White 8 pts MHH 3 pts (11 pts combined)
Northeastern White 23 pts MHH 8 pts (31 pts combined)

MHH off the bench and White starting - Six games, three with both in double figures. 31 ppg avg.

Monmouth White 16 pts MHH 9 pts (35 pts. combined)
Hampton White 15 pts MHH 8 pts ( 23 pts combined)
Elon White 26 pts MHH 12 pts (38 pts combined)
A&T MHH 25 pts White 6 pts (31 pts combined)
CofC White 16 pts MHH 12 pts (28 pts combined)
W&M White 21 pts MHH 14 pts (35 pts combined)

Stats look like they aren't complementary players on the court together. I'd be curious to see what their stats look like when one is on the bench vs. when both are on the court together. But based on a simple comparison they are both better off when MHH comes off the bench. White was the leading scorer in five of the six games where MHH came off the bench, but was the leading scorer in only four of the eight games where they both started. In this case, the parts are better than the whole.

Bottom line is they produce 8 fewer points per game combined when they both start vs. when MHH came off the bench.

That is interesting. Harvey played more tonight because he was defending a little better. MHH has tools on both defense and offense but needs to be consistently aggressive on defense.

MHH néeds to keep cutting or be strong side outlet from Tra. When we play through Tra and or Kelly, good things happen. I think they can both benefit from each other. Data may not suggest that but visually it looks like it is something that would be beneficial for us getting a few more good looks.

(02-11-2023 10:13 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  That is interesting. Harvey played more tonight because he was defending a little better. MHH has tools on both defense and offense but needs to be consistently aggressive on defense.

MHH néeds to keep cutting or be strong side outlet from Tra. When we play through Tra and or Kelly, good things happen. I think they can both benefit from each other. Data may not suggest that but visually it looks like it is something that would be beneficial for us getting a few more good looks.

Facts are facts, that's why you rely on them vs. what you perceive. In this case, it isn't even close. We're talking a 25% drop off in combined production when they both start.