(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

(02-14-2022 04:56 PM)Prestige Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:23 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  Sorry all, but the call is correct.

Key thing to remember the shot clock only switches when it goes below a displayed number. So the instant you see 2 turn to 1 on the shot clock, it means there's 1.9 left on it.

You see the shot clock turn from 2 to 1 here at 53.7 on the game clock. That means the shot clock is valid until 51.8. They called a shooting foul on us at roughly 52.6. Shot is active from that moment; when it goes in is irrelevant.

The moment the shot clock turns from 2 to 1 means there is 1.0 seconds left on the clock. When a new possession starts, the clock shows 30 from 30.0 to 29.1

The possession started at 1:23 game clock, 30 seconds on the shot clock. When the clock no longer showed 53, it should have been a shot clock violation. The operator was also late starting the shot clock, so 2 cases of home cooking that should have been addressed by the officials.

Other aspects besides the bad call:

1. Brandon Carroll committed a foul (his second) in the last minute of the first half and another in the first minute of the second half. He then sat for more than 4 minutes. That was costly.

2. Too many missed free throws in regulation. Too many unforced turnovers. This game was absolutely winnable in regulation.

3. Twice in overtime the Hawks got baskets and and-ones right as the shot clock was expiring. C’mon, guys, we need better defense than that.

4. UNCW is not the best team in the league. Hofstra and Towson might be better (even if they don’t pass the Hawks in the standings).

(02-14-2022 04:56 PM)Prestige Wrote:  The moment the shot clock turns from 2 to 1 means there is 1.0 seconds left on the clock. When a new possession starts, the clock shows 30 from 30.0 to 29.1

Hmm, you might be right and I might be confusing it with the NBA shot clock rules, which go the other way. If so, you can disregard my shot clock stuff above and then they must have identified a foul at 52.7 or earlier.

On non-shot clock related matters--disappointing that we didn't take our timeout after getting the rebound with 7 seconds left in regulation or, in the alternative, not settling for a deep three in a tied game. Kochera had Blair barreling down the right wing and he would've had one-on-one at the rim--don't think Connor ever saw him.

Gotta always know time and score. Bad instincts from a young team. Understandable, but maybe that's why you want the timeout.

(02-14-2022 05:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:56 PM)Prestige Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:23 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  Sorry all, but the call is correct.

Key thing to remember the shot clock only switches when it goes below a displayed number. So the instant you see 2 turn to 1 on the shot clock, it means there's 1.9 left on it.

You see the shot clock turn from 2 to 1 here at 53.7 on the game clock. That means the shot clock is valid until 51.8. They called a shooting foul on us at roughly 52.6. Shot is active from that moment; when it goes in is irrelevant.

The moment the shot clock turns from 2 to 1 means there is 1.0 seconds left on the clock. When a new possession starts, the clock shows 30 from 30.0 to 29.1

The possession started at 1:23 game clock, 30 seconds on the shot clock. When the clock no longer showed 53, it should have been a shot clock violation. The operator was also late starting the shot clock, so 2 cases of home cooking that should have been addressed by the officials.

See the Women’s Basketball thread to read how they got shafted by the shot clock operator in the recent Charleston game. That operator started the clock too soon on several occasions, including once where the Tribe had a trey waved off — in a game ultimately decided by just 2 points.

(02-14-2022 05:15 PM)Zorch Wrote:  2. Too many missed free throws in regulation. Too many unforced turnovers. This game was absolutely winnable in regulation.

We missed 4 FT in the first half and 1 in the second half. Without looking, the second half was probably our best foul shooting half of the season.

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

I thought it was simply that the staff wanted to play the young guys as much as possible for growth purposes and have no real interest in playing guys who won't be back next year because playing Blair and Harvey a full load turns you from a 5-win team to what, 7 wins?

Now, that's not exactly fair to the seniors (assuming they actually want to play) and maybe gets you a bad reputation, but from a strictly strategic long-term perspective, it makes sense for the program.

(02-14-2022 05:21 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  On non-shot clock related matters--disappointing that we didn't take our timeout after getting the rebound with 7 seconds left in regulation or, in the alternative, not settling for a deep three in a tied game. Kochera had Blair barreling down the right wing and he would've had one-on-one at the rim--don't think Connor ever saw him.

Gotta always know time and score. Bad instincts from a young team. Understandable, but maybe that's why you want the timeout.

I thought the pass to Carroll was a pretty good look though. Kochera got him the ball where Carroll could drive or shoot, and Carroll has been our best offensive player in most games. Given the officiating under both baskets, I don't think there was any chance a foul would have been called on a layup at the buzzer. The refs missed a foul on us on Phillips' shot before they blew the shot clock call, not to mention the 2 missed fouls when Hatton had the layup all by himself. Those were just a couple off the top of my head.

(02-14-2022 05:29 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

I thought it was simply that the staff wanted to play the young guys as much as possible for growth purposes and have no real interest in playing guys who won't be back next year because playing Blair and Harvey a full load turns you from a 5-win team to what, 7 wins?

Now, that's not exactly fair to the seniors (assuming they actually want to play) and maybe gets you a bad reputation, but from a strictly strategic long-term perspective, it makes sense for the program.

I agree, and that's another reasonable explanation. I think/hope it's some kind of combination of the two, since Blair is playing now and looks like he's not favoring his injury at all.

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

From someone I know within the athletics department, Blair, Harvey, and Hermanovskis have all been healthy for quite some time. There have been numerous disagreements between the players and coaching staff all year that have caused some of the questionable rotations. It's certainly not the best look for Fischer, who was supposed to be better with player relations than our previous head coach.

(02-14-2022 05:32 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:21 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  On non-shot clock related matters--disappointing that we didn't take our timeout after getting the rebound with 7 seconds left in regulation or, in the alternative, not settling for a deep three in a tied game. Kochera had Blair barreling down the right wing and he would've had one-on-one at the rim--don't think Connor ever saw him.

Gotta always know time and score. Bad instincts from a young team. Understandable, but maybe that's why you want the timeout.

I thought the pass to Carroll was a pretty good look though. Kochera got him the ball where Carroll could drive or shoot, and Carroll has been our best offensive player in most games. Given the officiating under both baskets, I don't think there was any chance a foul would have been called on a layup at the buzzer. The refs missed a foul on us on Phillips' shot before they blew the shot clock call, not to mention the 2 missed fouls when Hatton had the layup all by himself. Those were just a couple off the top of my head.

I don't mind the pass to Carroll at all. But with ~3 seconds left, a pullup/floater was a better option for him, even if it was gonna be semi-contested.

(02-14-2022 05:38 PM)Prestige Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

From someone I know within the athletics department, Blair, Harvey, and Hermanovskis have all been healthy for quite some time. There have been numerous disagreements between the players and coaching staff all year that have caused some of the questionable rotations. It's certainly not the best look for Fischer, who was supposed to be better with player relations than our previous head coach.

If this is true, I won't be surprised to see some folks enter the transfer portal once the season ends.

(02-14-2022 05:34 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:29 PM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

I thought it was simply that the staff wanted to play the young guys as much as possible for growth purposes and have no real interest in playing guys who won't be back next year because playing Blair and Harvey a full load turns you from a 5-win team to what, 7 wins?

Now, that's not exactly fair to the seniors (assuming they actually want to play) and maybe gets you a bad reputation, but from a strictly strategic long-term perspective, it makes sense for the program.

I agree, and that's another reasonable explanation. I think/hope it's some kind of combination of the two, since Blair is playing now and looks like he's not favoring his injury at all.

Alternatively, seeing someone in the same colored uniform making some higher basketball IQ plays might be worth the trade off of spending the odd few minutes on the pine from time to time.

(02-14-2022 05:38 PM)Prestige Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 04:59 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 03:03 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 02:53 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  VERY happy to see Quinn Blair out there.

This is the weirdest storyline this year. Not just how many games he missed, but that there's been complete radio silence from the staff as well as no reporters asking about it.

With the way that Harvey has been only used sparingly since his injury, I'm hoping that the reason is just that Fischer is recognizing that having Blair come back before being fully recovered risks re-injury. Fischer would rather risk playing a little short-handed in the middle of conference play in order to be at full strength for the tournament.

That's a friendly interpretation for Fischer, but consistent with his style of decision-making. It's certainly possible there's a more damning reason for Blair and/or Fischer, but without anything at all to go on, I'm hoping the reason is as simple as this.

From someone I know within the athletics department, Blair, Harvey, and Hermanovskis have all been healthy for quite some time. There have been numerous disagreements between the players and coaching staff all year that have caused some of the questionable rotations. It's certainly not the best look for Fischer, who was supposed to be better with player relations than our previous head coach.

My personal opinion is that it is not a coincidence that Blair and Hermanovskis were the two players first identified with Covid and that they have missed a ton of games. My guess is that they broke some team rules/protocols; got themselves infected; which caused them, initially, and then subsequently others to miss time. Combined with the fact that we had two games postponed due to opponents' Covid plus two games postponed due to our own team's Covid ---- all occurring right when the team had actually won its first two conference games!! --- and I think that it is a punishment (10 games?) to explain why Quinn and Rainers haven't played. My theory for Mehkel is that he actually was injured but I don't know why Fischer isn't playing him now.

(02-14-2022 05:49 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:38 PM)Prestige Wrote:  From someone I know within the athletics department, Blair, Harvey, and Hermanovskis have all been healthy for quite some time. There have been numerous disagreements between the players and coaching staff all year that have caused some of the questionable rotations. It's certainly not the best look for Fischer, who was supposed to be better with player relations than our previous head coach.

If this is true, I won't be surprised to see some folks enter the transfer portal once the season ends.

I'm guessing Blair and Harvey wouldn't be interested in a fifth year here whether the staff wanted them back or not (and Carroll can't). No one else on the roster could possibly think they're getting more minutes somewhere else. This team is 5-22 in a mid-major conference! The staff would love to play anyone good, anyone at all, for 30 minutes a game. This should really be a selling point to dozens of disgruntled P5 underclassmen who had all their minutes stolen by surprise-return fifth-year seniors and insta-transfers--any position, 1-5, you would instantly be a starter here. We've got guys in our rotation who couldn't even walk on at those schools.

Now, we may lose guys who got in arguments with the staff, got their feelings hurt, had a halfway decent spot open up somewhere closer to home. That happens, and we're expecting that with the no-sitting-out. But the non-seniors can't reasonably think they're being jobbed on minutes. I would be shocked if any of them were playing significantly more minutes a game somewhere else next year.

(02-14-2022 02:51 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I don't have much of an explanation how we're only down 4 outside of Carroll being well on his way to a double/double already (13 and 6)....

Carroll scored zero points in the second half and overtime and got only 3 more rebounds after halftime. He finished with 13 and 9. I've got to think that those two "inopportune" fouls around halftime really hampered his usual aggressiveness.

(02-14-2022 04:08 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  ...I turned the game on late, is there a reason Covington is riding the pine? He’s our best on ball defender.

Yes, I would like to know why he didn't play more. He had 1 of our only 4 steals. He also took only 1 shot (and went 1-2 on free throws).

(02-14-2022 04:17 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  I don't want them working a W&M game ever again.

I'm sure that the league office will be quick to take your wishes into account.

(02-14-2022 05:26 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:15 PM)Zorch Wrote:  2. Too many missed free throws in regulation. Too many unforced turnovers. This game was absolutely winnable in regulation.

We missed 4 FT in the first half and 1 in the second half. Without looking, the second half was probably our best foul shooting half of the season.

That still totals 5 misses in regulation. UNCW missed 3. Do the math, in a tie game. In fact, UNCW missed only 3 all game, including going 8-8 in OT. They finished 24-27 (88.9%) while W&M went 19-26 (73.1%).

(02-14-2022 05:32 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  ...Given the officiating under both baskets, I don't think there was any chance a foul would have been called on a layup at the buzzer. The refs missed a foul on us on Phillips' shot before they blew the shot clock call, not to mention the 2 missed fouls when Hatton had the layup all by himself. Those were just a couple off the top of my head.

You are right about there being no chance that a foul would be called under the basket....in our favor. As pointed out above, the refs had no problem calling and-ones in UNCW's favor under their basket in overtime.

Bottom line. You will get jobbed by the refs especially on the road when you are a bad five win team. Every. Time.

(02-14-2022 05:15 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. UNCW is not the best team in the league. Hofstra and Towson might be better (even if they don’t pass the Hawks in the standings).

Likely true, I think its Towson. Though I do think we can still make a case we're better than Hofstra. Today was a terrible showing and we haven't been playing well of late (part of it is teams making quality adjustments against us in the 2nd half of the schedule), but we've had an excellent season overall and I imagine we'll get things headed back in the right direction soon. Whether that's enough to beat Towson at home on Thursday night is going to be telling.

Having said all that, I want the regular season title (and accompanying NIT bid) badly because there's a very good chance we get picked off in the tournament.

Good luck the rest of the way. I hope you finish ahead of Elon and JMU. F those 2 teams.

(02-14-2022 06:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(02-14-2022 05:15 PM)Zorch Wrote:  4. UNCW is not the best team in the league. Hofstra and Towson might be better (even if they don’t pass the Hawks in the standings).

Likely true, I think its Towson. Though I do think we can still make a case we're better than Hofstra. Today was a terrible showing and we haven't been playing well of late (part of it is teams making quality adjustments against us in the 2nd half of the schedule), but we've had an excellent season overall and I imagine we'll get things headed back in the right direction soon. Whether that's enough to beat Towson at home on Thursday night is going to be telling.

Having said all that, I want the regular season title (and accompanying NIT bid) badly because there's a very good chance we get picked off in the tournament.

Good luck the rest of the way. I hope you finish ahead of Elon and JMU. F those 2 teams.

So, serious question, which is the real UNCW? The one who shot lights out and sank 17 threes against us in the first game or the one who sank only 2 threes in the first half today (before getting 8 total, I think)? Or is it a third team who doesn't shoot threes but goes for points in the paint and fast break points from turning teams over (as some on your board claim). I don't know why you wouldn't be that team against W&M...the surest road to success against us.