Ban us from the tournaments. As soon as you show me in the bylaws where it says we can be banned because next year that’ll mean that 6 schools will be playing for nothing.

Fans of the AAC 6 don’t care about CUSA. They mad they can’t leave this year otherwise they’d be arguing the other way. Know what this sounds like

Seems some have forgotten this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/middle-ten...ncaaf.html

Once again, I wish all well.

I don’t care. I think every school will try to take care of their own best interests and that is OK with me. Leave early, stay late, smoke in the boy’s room, all the same to me.

And since I have even less influence on what my school does than I do on Cuban national policy, I just sit back and watch.

(02-13-2022 09:25 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Seems some have forgotten this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/middle-ten...ncaaf.html

Once again, I wish all well.

Yeah, and Middle paid $700K to leave early. Also, the SBC blocked us from a bowl game despite being 8-4, then blocked WKU the following season

Don't blame them for leaving early. Wish we all could. Do we play football with 11 teams. Don't care. Just beat the next team on the schedule.

(02-13-2022 08:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I keep seeing the whole pull the tourneys from ODU and USM. Yea let’s do that. There’s a breach and I’m sure when USM and ODU show financial impact for the money spent to prepare to hold these tournaments plus with the financial impact from the area to pull a tournament on short notice this extra exit fee will be zilch for these two. We talk about possible damages these would be real damages

Puhlease. You think ODU has spent 1 dime on a men's tennis tournament that was to be held in May already? Any work they might have done on their tennis courts is probably just basic maintenance that would benefit their program regardless. The only financial impact is on a few local hotels that might have booked some teams in advance who now have to cancel.

Same with baseball. The season hasn't even begun yet. There is no way you've done any specific work for a tournament 3-plus months away when you have 30-35 home games at your park between now and then.

Why should the conference let those schools get a home field advantage on their final competition within the CUSA that would help them possibly get an NCAA invite? USM could still win a conference baseball tournament at La Tech (you almost did last year and of course, still got an at-large bid).

I'm okay with Rice (FAU, UTSA, UNT, etc.) not hosting any conference tournaments in 2022-23 either. At least the ones that offer up an automatic NCAA bid to the winner.

Okay, let everyone compete. You're right that it's not fair to punish the student-athletes in that way. But I really feel the tournaments need to be moved to a neutral site or to a site where the school is staying in CUSA. That's a huge advantage that those schools lost rights to when they made this early move.

If the CUSA office had spent as much effort doing their jobs as they're putting out trying to salvage them, no one would be leaving.

I hope Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss find the good times they should have had in CUSA in their new home.

If the massively incompetent CUSA office would have only fought half as hard for those who were 100% committed to the conference over the years as they are this, maybe just maybe not everyone would be looking for the nearest exit.

This conference hasn't had a commish worth anything since Mike Slive left in 2002. This conference was lost though when two things happened, 1) When CUSA left ESPN (RC Johnson, Memphis AD led that charge) and 2) When CUSA lost the contract to the Liberty Bowl.

(02-13-2022 10:59 AM)58-56 Wrote:  If the CUSA office had spent as much effort doing their jobs as they're putting out trying to salvage them, no one would be leaving.

I hope Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss find the good times they should have had in CUSA in their new home.

Likewise to UAB and the rest going to the AAC. I also hope the new CUSA cleans house in the conference office and brings in a proactive team with a vision for the future.

(02-13-2022 08:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fans of the AAC 6 don’t care about CUSA. They mad they can’t leave this year otherwise they’d be arguing the other way. Know what this sounds like

You guys are doing what’s best for your schools, and I don’t blame you one bit. The bylaws say there is a 14 month notice, but nothing beyond that. By all accounts it sounds like all three schools tried to resolve this with CUsA leadership, and nothing was done. This is shocking to all of us that the CUSA leadership would sit on its ass and do nothing, I know.

If everybody really wants to know why CUSA became fragmented and had programs looking for a lifeline, this example should be enough to understand why that was the case.

(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:51 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Yeah but this will be an actual lawsuit. A court will decide and it will be millions. The only way the SB3 doesn’t pay is if cUSA decides to let it go and I don’t see that happening. From a legal standpoint the SB3 don’t have a leg to stand on.

We actually do have a leg to stand on. We can prove with data that by staying we would lose millions.

If you were offered another job that paid much more than your current job, then put your two weeks notice in....however, the new job said you need to start on Monday, are you staying at your old job?

Yes I am. I would tell the new company I would not treat them that way, and out of respect for my current employer I would not do that to them either.(unless there were extenuating circumstances that required you getting out of that position ASAP). If a company ever asked me to do this I would have serious questions about their ethics and values before I even walked in the door.

(02-13-2022 10:47 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I keep seeing the whole pull the tourneys from ODU and USM. Yea let’s do that. There’s a breach and I’m sure when USM and ODU show financial impact for the money spent to prepare to hold these tournaments plus with the financial impact from the area to pull a tournament on short notice this extra exit fee will be zilch for these two. We talk about possible damages these would be real damages

Puhlease. You think ODU has spent 1 dime on a men's tennis tournament that was to be held in May already? Any work they might have done on their tennis courts is probably just basic maintenance that would benefit their program regardless. The only financial impact is on a few local hotels that might have booked some teams in advance who now have to cancel.

Same with baseball. The season hasn't even begun yet. There is no way you've done any specific work for a tournament 3-plus months away when you have 30-35 home games at your park between now and then.

Why should the conference let those schools get a home field advantage on their final competition within the CUSA that would help them possibly get an NCAA invite? USM could still win a conference baseball tournament at La Tech (you almost did last year and of course, still got an at-large bid).

I'm okay with Rice (FAU, UTSA, UNT, etc.) not hosting any conference tournaments in 2022-23 either. At least the ones that offer up an automatic NCAA bid to the winner.

Okay, let everyone compete. You're right that it's not fair to punish the student-athletes in that way. But I really feel the tournaments need to be moved to a neutral site or to a site where the school is staying in CUSA. That's a huge advantage that those schools lost rights to when they made this early move.

If the conference decides to move the baseball and tennis tournaments as punishment to Southern Miss and ODU, they will probably just move some curtains and chairs around and put them both in the football practice facility in Texas. Stadium on Facebook will carry the baseball tournament championship game (only) - complete with the livestream comments floating by on screen - and all 357 people in attendance will get a coupon at the door for a free 12-ounce soda in a plastic disposable CUSA tournament cup. Yea!

(02-13-2022 10:47 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:26 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I keep seeing the whole pull the tourneys from ODU and USM. Yea let’s do that. There’s a breach and I’m sure when USM and ODU show financial impact for the money spent to prepare to hold these tournaments plus with the financial impact from the area to pull a tournament on short notice this extra exit fee will be zilch for these two. We talk about possible damages these would be real damages

Puhlease. You think ODU has spent 1 dime on a men's tennis tournament that was to be held in May already? Any work they might have done on their tennis courts is probably just basic maintenance that would benefit their program regardless. The only financial impact is on a few local hotels that might have booked some teams in advance who now have to cancel.

Same with baseball. The season hasn't even begun yet. There is no way you've done any specific work for a tournament 3-plus months away when you have 30-35 home games at your park between now and then.

Why should the conference let those schools get a home field advantage on their final competition within the CUSA that would help them possibly get an NCAA invite? USM could still win a conference baseball tournament at La Tech (you almost did last year and of course, still got an at-large bid).

I'm okay with Rice (FAU, UTSA, UNT, etc.) not hosting any conference tournaments in 2022-23 either. At least the ones that offer up an automatic NCAA bid to the winner.

Okay, let everyone compete. You're right that it's not fair to punish the student-athletes in that way. But I really feel the tournaments need to be moved to a neutral site or to a site where the school is staying in CUSA. That's a huge advantage that those schools lost rights to when they made this early move.

Difference is that pulling these tournaments are at a couple months notice. We notified CUSA in December. They’ve done nothing or responded.


And yes holding these tournaments does incur costs. I know it’s been years since Rice got to hold anything

(02-13-2022 11:33 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(02-13-2022 08:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fans of the AAC 6 don’t care about CUSA. They mad they can’t leave this year otherwise they’d be arguing the other way. Know what this sounds like

You guys are doing what’s best for your schools, and I don’t blame you one bit. The bylaws say there is a 14 month notice, but nothing beyond that. By all accounts it sounds like all three schools tried to resolve this with CUsA leadership, and nothing was done. This is shocking to all of us that the CUSA leadership would sit on its ass and do nothing, I know.

If everybody really wants to know why CUSA became fragmented and had programs looking for a lifeline, this example should be enough to understand why that was the case.

Exactly. I feel like the UAB guys are the ones that get it.

Really gonna miss them

I'm sorry, I had to make one other comment. The Sun Belt now is FAR different than the Sun Belt you left Joe.

Besides, I'm not totally convinced the Sun Belt would want North Texas anyway going forward. That is not intended to be a dig, but a fact.

I think the AAC model is a house of cards, especially without Houston, Cincinnati and UCF. Building with programs like Marshall and Southern Miss, football first schools mixed in with a little of markets in ODU, and an up and coming JMU is wise...rather than going all-in on markets that struggle to build out a fanbase.

Also, I think the Sun Belt wants to built out the south east more. The footprint is logical, and has a stable base going forward.

(02-13-2022 09:25 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Seems some have forgotten this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/middle-ten...ncaaf.html

Once again, I wish all well.

I can easily see us paying a similar buyout. However, the buyout is worth the increased exposure for 2022.

(02-13-2022 08:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Fans of the AAC 6 don’t care about CUSA. They mad they can’t leave this year otherwise they’d be arguing the other way. Know what this sounds like

Maybe they can understand what a contractual notice obligation is, and also that the alternative that *everybody* agreed to was equitable relief.

It seems that the SB3 don’t seem to give a whit about the above.

(02-13-2022 12:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Maybe they can understand what a contractual notice obligation is, and also that the alternative that *everybody* agreed to was equitable relief.

It seems that the SB3 don’t seem to give a whit about the above.

I'll tell you the same thing I said to JoeBlows. Rice and their horrible athletics would have left CUSA day before yesterday if they could. BUT THEY CAN'T.

If Texas and Oklahoma wanted to pay the B12 80-95 million dollars to leave early then the AAC 6 would be beating down the door to leave CUSA just as fast. If you tell yourself otherwise then you are just a pathetic liar is all.

(02-13-2022 12:10 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I'm sorry, I had to make one other comment. The Sun Belt now is FAR different than the Sun Belt you left Joe.

Besides, I'm not totally convinced the Sun Belt would want North Texas anyway going forward. That is not intended to be a dig, but a fact.

I think the AAC model is a house of cards, especially without Houston, Cincinnati and UCF. Building with programs like Marshall and Southern Miss, football first schools mixed in with a little of markets in ODU, and an up and coming JMU is wise...rather than going all-in on markets that struggle to build out a fanbase.

Also, I think the Sun Belt wants to built out the south east more. The footprint is logical, and has a stable base going forward.

I don't see how anyone can call uab a market add. They have a fanbase and success in multiple sports

UTSA had huge crowds last season for football and won cusa in football. So definitely not merely a market add

Florida Atlantic faces an uphill struggle on fanbase as south Florida is so transient. But it's slowly improving. Program only around 20 years. Also not a market add. Won football 2 of the last 5 years. Also won it in the sun belt Won baseball at every level in every league. Heck even bball showing a pulse now. Beat the sun belt schools in every game this year

These 3 schools btw have won the last 5 cusa football titles.

Charlotte baseball is having success. Basketball has had it. Football has to improve.

Rice has superior academics to any cusa or sun belt school. Won a baseball national title. Won their last cusa football title only a year before the last marshall conference football title

North Texas won bball recently. Were runner up in football in 2017. Lots of money to throw around. They need to add baseball

If it was just markets, then fiu , Georgia state etc would have been in



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