(02-12-2022 06:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.

The leadership at UNT probably would, if they could secure an exit. I think the problem is that none of the SB3 secured an exit.

Me personally? I'd stay for at least one more season in C-USA. Like I said, I like C-USA West.

Hard to secure an exit when you keep talking to a brick wall. The CUSA office decided to sit on their hands.

No. C-USA's lawyers decided to sit on their hands. And, I have a feeling you three played into their hands.

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Yeah but this will be an actual lawsuit. A court will decide and it will be millions. The only way the SB3 doesn’t pay is if cUSA decides to let it go and I don’t see that happening. From a legal standpoint the SB3 don’t have a leg to stand on. This may have been a ploy by the SB 3 to force CUSA to say how much.

Joe, look, we are friends here. I think if you were in our shoes, you would absolutely defend your university here.

We are actually doing the 2022 CUSA programs a solid by stating over and over again our intentions.

(02-12-2022 06:51 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Yeah but this will be an actual lawsuit. A court will decide and it will be millions. The only way the SB3 doesn’t pay is if cUSA decides to let it go and I don’t see that happening. From a legal standpoint the SB3 don’t have a leg to stand on.

We actually do have a leg to stand on. We can prove with data that by staying we would lose millions.

If you were offered another job that paid much more than your current job, then put your two weeks notice in....however, the new job said you need to start on Monday, are you staying at your old job?

(02-12-2022 06:32 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:09 PM)Ragu Wrote:  I don't care that they are leaving. The announcement posts are a little much especially for future cusa members. They should put them on the sun belt board if they don't watch any pushback. I'll only miss Marshall

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We liked FAU too. Will miss playing y'all and Western.

Those are the 2 I'll miss. You guys and wku. This is assuming we play fiu still.

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(02-12-2022 06:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:31 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Y’all remember when UAB shut their football program down? We managed.

That is totally different. UAB was forced to shut down. They didn't choose to close the doors.

Forced by their leadership? That’s not a thing. I don’t have a problem with how it was handled by the conference but is your point that we’re a bunch of jerk faces for leaving early or that it actually inconveniences the conference in a meaningful way?

The Alabama BOR forced UAB to shut down football. UAB didn't get a voice in it.

My issue isn't that you're leaving. Y'all have never been happy in C-USA. I'm actually glad you guys are going. My problem is that leaving early creates scheduling and division issues for the remaining 11.

Judy may not have been as dumb as everybody thinks. She said just enough. To say hey we made a statement. “We expect all members to fulfill their contracts” it’s really all she had to say. In the end the courts will say you can leave but at a cost.

(02-12-2022 06:51 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Yeah but this will be an actual lawsuit. A court will decide and it will be millions. The only way the SB3 doesn’t pay is if cUSA decides to let it go and I don’t see that happening. From a legal standpoint the SB3 don’t have a leg to stand on. This may have been a ploy by the SB 3 to force CUSA to say how much.

Millions? Maybe for the total but not from each school. And it’s not gonna be a judge and jury. It’ll be experts in arbitration. They’ll want the books and if the media deal says each school costs CUSA $500k each for not playing each school writes that check and that’s it. Distribution is only $1.5 million a year. You’re not losing that much. CUSA should’ve taken the offer. I’m thinking that in the end the costs of lawyers will be more than what the conference actually sees.

(02-12-2022 06:55 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:38 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:31 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Y’all remember when UAB shut their football program down? We managed.

That is totally different. UAB was forced to shut down. They didn't choose to close the doors.

Forced by their leadership? That’s not a thing. I don’t have a problem with how it was handled by the conference but is your point that we’re a bunch of jerk faces for leaving early or that it actually inconveniences the conference in a meaningful way?

The Alabama BOR forced UAB to shut down football. UAB didn't get a voice in it.

My issue isn't that you're leaving. Y'all have never been happy in C-USA. I'm actually glad you guys are going. My problem is that leaving early creates scheduling and division issues for the remaining 11.

And thier President. Like I said, thier leadership. Did it create hardships for the conference? Not really. Uneven divisions. We managed fine and you’ll be fine for a year. I think your argument is more emotional than anything. Is this Joe or his wife?

Yeah, hate to leave yall high and dry with a small scheduling problem, but with all the mushy mushy bro love going on up in here, I think you guys will be OK.

Oh no, scheduling is tough! But there are people at the CUSA head office and school athletic dept's that draw a salary to figure this stuff out, even if it's not a freakin' copy and paste job like usual. In the words of Gary Gilmour, let's do it.

I guarantee you there is already a contingency scheduling plan , probably developed within a few days of the SB3 announcement. They just don't want to actually work the plan.

(02-12-2022 06:36 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:33 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

No it’s not. You say that but it’s not. If the AAC said hey we have room if you can come you know full well you’d be hooping and hollering to go.

The leadership at UNT probably would, if they could secure an exit. I think the problem is that none of the SB3 secured an exit.

Me personally? I'd stay for at least one more season in C-USA. Like I said, I like C-USA West.

Hard to secure an exit when you keep talking to a brick wall. The CUSA office decided to sit on their hands.

The sbc3 have secured just as much of an exit as the acc 6

You re right gdunn. CUSA will come up with a total to the courts as to what they think it is costing them for you to leave early. It will be stupid huge. Sun Belt will counter. Courts will split it. No one knows what that would be. Surprised if it’s less the 500K a school. Not surprised if it’s a mill. It will be a Texas court. I am glad you get to go but it might get expensive

Our issue IS NOT with the schools remaining in CUSA. Let's make it perfectly clear. It's with the admin in CUSA.

Don't get mad at us, get mad AT THEM for refusing to come to a reconciliation.

(02-12-2022 07:06 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  You re right gdunn. CUSA will come up with a total to the courts as to what they think it is costing them for you to leave early. It will be stupid huge. Sun Belt will counter. Courts will split it. No one knows what that would be. Surprised if it’s less the 500K a school. Not surprised if it’s a mill. It will be a Texas court. I am glad you get to go but it might get expensive

I’m not so sure. I think the conference is actually trying to force us to stay. If it were about money they could have gotten more by negotiating and avoid this public shitshow.

(02-12-2022 06:54 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:51 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:35 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:25 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 06:16 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  I would be shocked if this didn’t come at a cost. CUSA will win the lawsuit. But it will be a monetary win. No one will force the SunBelt three to stay.

I totally agree. But, the monetary cost could be much higher those three anticipate. This case could spend years in the Texas court system. Lets face it. Those three won't be making that much more in the Sun Belt.

I actually don't think we will. CUSA has never collected buyouts for schools departing, and there is no written financial penalty for leaving before the 14 month mark.

Consider Marshall, ODU and Southern Miss tried and tried to communicate their intentions to the CUSA office with no response, the burden in my opinion lies with CUSA. Since they did not respond, we had to do what would be best for all involved.

Yeah but this will be an actual lawsuit. A court will decide and it will be millions. The only way the SB3 doesn’t pay is if cUSA decides to let it go and I don’t see that happening. From a legal standpoint the SB3 don’t have a leg to stand on.

We actually do have a leg to stand on. We can prove with data that by staying we would lose millions.

If you were offered another job that paid much more than your current job, then put your two weeks notice in....however, the new job said you need to start on Monday, are you staying at your old job?

Losing millions doesn't release any university from their legal obligations, unless it's written in the by-laws.

If a group of people own a business together they are tied together as a legal entity. One owner can't just give the others a two weeks notice because they are losing too much money. They would have to negotiate an exit from the business. The fact that the other owners won't take his calls might have some standing in the court, but that is where it would get resolved.

Lotta words being written down by folks that "don't care" about us. Something something in your head rent free and all that.

Take care and buh-bye!

(02-12-2022 07:06 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  You re right gdunn. CUSA will come up with a total to the courts as to what they think it is costing them for you to leave early. It will be stupid huge. Sun Belt will counter. Courts will split it. No one knows what that would be. Surprised if it’s less the 500K a school. Not surprised if it’s a mill. It will be a Texas court.

Really? It’ll be a Texas? Where was the CUSA office in 1996? Cause that’s when we joined and I feel like it wasn’t Texas and that means it’ll in that state. What does that matter? It’s arbitration. It’ll be ADs and University Presidents and precedents will be set. How do you think that’ll go? Wait do we make them pay more than distribution when no one else has and what happens when we want to do the same? Oh the bylaws doesn’t say one way or another? Oh they made offers and nothing was said by the head office.

See how that argument falls apart? CUSA doesn’t have a leg. It was said earlier we wouldn’t peace out. We did. I’m saying right now won’t nothing happen. If I’m wrong I’ll come back and admit it even if we have to buy the officials a cup of coffee.

(02-12-2022 07:10 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Lotta words being written down by folks that "don't care" about us. Something something in your head rent free and all that.

Take care and buh-bye!

Well too many people are looking at this personally. “How dare you keep us here” I want you to do what you want to do. I am only talking from a corporate law standpoint. This is big business. No one will play nice in this. It’s already gotten nasty. Breaking contracts is not easy and it usually comes through a settlement.

(02-12-2022 06:11 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 05:57 PM)gdunn Wrote:  If UNT could head over to the AAC next season would you feel the same?

Ha! I actually made a joke about doing that over on the AAC board.

The ability to play a season in the AAC against Houston, Cincinnati, & UCF is a different situation from you three joining a SB that isn't losing anyone. But even so, I wouldn't want to bring further pain to our C-USA, so I'm going to try and enjoy what time we have left. I always liked C-USA West.

(02-12-2022 07:09 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-12-2022 07:06 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  You re right gdunn. CUSA will come up with a total to the courts as to what they think it is costing them for you to leave early. It will be stupid huge. Sun Belt will counter. Courts will split it. No one knows what that would be. Surprised if it’s less the 500K a school. Not surprised if it’s a mill. It will be a Texas court. I am glad you get to go but it might get expensive

I’m not so sure. I think the conference is actually trying to force us to stay. If it were about money they could have gotten more by negotiating and avoid this public shitshow.

I absolutely agree. I don't think C-USA has any intention on willingly allowing the SB3 to move and begin building their brands in the Sun Belt while C-USA is further weakened and waiting for their call ups to join.