If MT was going to have 6 home games next year I think they would've made out like bandits with this move. But the fact that a home game vs an SEC team got switched to an away game at a year 1 transitioning FCS team, with next year only having 5 home game sucks.

MT taking money to go play a winnable game on the road is fine. And why would they need to do a H/H? It's not like MT fans were dying to play JMU at home, and I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to set up a real series in the coming years.

Overreaction by the OP who constantly attempts to belittle other schools while pumping up his own. Everyone is aware of his methods except him.

This was the good outcome for a short notice situation for MTSU. Period.

(02-02-2022 08:01 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  If MT was going to have 6 home games next year I think they would've made out like bandits with this move. But the fact that a home game vs an SEC team got switched to an away game at a year 1 transitioning FCS team, with next year only having 5 home game sucks.

MT taking money to go play a winnable game on the road is fine. And why would they need to do a H/H? It's not like MT fans were dying to play JMU at home, and I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to set up a real series in the coming years.

Pride, maybe?

I don't care if y'all play Belmont on the road in exchange for a used mic stand, y'all can do whatever you think is best for your program.

Just win the game, please.

(02-01-2022 06:26 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/statu...5217290249

We at MT can only dream to one day aspire to the greatness that is pUNT

I don't see the problem. MT is getting paid to not play one team, getting paid to play another, and two teams got to fill slots..

(02-02-2022 09:14 AM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 08:01 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  If MT was going to have 6 home games next year I think they would've made out like bandits with this move. But the fact that a home game vs an SEC team got switched to an away game at a year 1 transitioning FCS team, with next year only having 5 home game sucks.

MT taking money to go play a winnable game on the road is fine. And why would they need to do a H/H? It's not like MT fans were dying to play JMU at home, and I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to set up a real series in the coming years.

Pride, maybe?

I don't care if y'all play Belmont on the road in exchange for a used mic stand, y'all can do whatever you think is best for your program.

Just win the game, please.

And hopefully Tech will not get blown out at Mizzou, our supposed home game until..........

I think its funny that we have a Tech fan trying to ridicule us for making lemonade out of lemons in this situation while they allowed this Baylor thing to happen.

So before Mizzou dropped us, tell us how you guys ended up with a guarantee that was nothing but some gas money to play in Waco?

(02-02-2022 07:14 AM)space orange Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 10:42 PM)FriscoDawg Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:16 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:54 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:50 PM)MUther Wrote:  They already had a game cancelled that they're getting 800k for. JMU is paying them 700k. So they're essentially getting 1.5M to go play a winnable makeup game. Who wouldn't do that? MTSU would never get close to making that much for a home game, even against Mizzou. And JMU really needs FBS games on their schedule, especially at home. I'd say it's win/win. They're getting bodybag pay for playing a team they'll be favored against.

Every football team in the history of C-USA 3.0. FBS programs don't play "body-bag" games at FCS programs. Until now.

Does MT need an extra $700K that bad?

Jim counts as an FBS game for everyone

In 2023. Not in 2022 unless all of the rules are changed before September.

The rules haven't changed, but JMU is applying to get a waiver to speed up the transition. Normally year 1 of the FCS to FBS transition is still as an FCS team. JMU is skipping to year 2 where they'll count as FBS but not be eligible for a bowl or the SBC championship. Then in 2023 they'll be eligible for all the SBC and FBS things.

Exactly.

JMU was a special case because 1) their FCS conference booted them out when the announcement came that they were moving up, 2) the Sun Belt was already adjusting the conference schedule to accommodate at least some of its new additions, creating an opening for the Dukes, and 3) once the probable Belt schedule was known, JMU was only one game shy of the 5 home FBS games needed to qualify for a waiver.

By agreeing to play at JMU, MTSU gets paid (effectively) $1.5M for this slot on their schedule. Because the home FBS game they provide will qualify JMU for the waiver, it will be counted (for both) as an FBS game. MTSU is NOT playing at an FCS stadium. JMU will be a Sun Belt team.

A couple of notes:

1) JMU is by no means a cupcake. MTSU will need to bring their "A" game to come out with a win.

2) Jacksonville State and UAB played in the Kickoff Classic in Montgomery. It was never a JSU "home game". If UAB's new stadium had been completed in time, the game would absolutely have been played there instead. Moving the game to Montgomery allowed for broadcast on ESPN's big network (the broadcast deal was with the Classic, not the teams) with somewhat of a "bowl-type" atmosphere, while preventing the awkwardness of an FBS team playing in an FCS stadium. (No one on either side wanted this game to be played at Legion Field.)

(02-02-2022 10:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I think its funny that we have a Tech fan trying to ridicule us for making lemonade out of lemons in this situation while they allowed this Baylor thing to happen.

So before Mizzou dropped us, tell us how you guys ended up with a guarantee that was nothing but some gas money to play in Waco?

It was a two-for-one. Similar to your deal with Missouri. We were supposed to go there and play in 2020 (for money, although at a discounted rate, as is usual for 2-for-1 deals). But it was cancelled for COVID. So instead of a 2-for-1 where we play there twice in exchange for cash and a return game, it basically turned into a one-for-one.

Now me personally, as a fan and not the guy who has to buy the volleyball uniforms, I think that's still fine. That's the usual deal for our G5 series (like I explained earlier). We'll play at South Alabama this season and they'll owe us for 2027 with very little cash exchanging hands. Obviously a 1-for-1 with Baylor is better than most G5 series we could schedule.

But apparently (and it's always hard to get the real story on these things, so some of this could have been from Baylor's end) we wanted some cash for this season. Our AD has said he'd like to balance out our schedules going forward with $ game, FCS game, home part of G5 series, away part of G5 series and I think that's great, but I don't totally get how giving up a Baylor home game really helps us get there (like y'all we're only going to have 5 home games next season, and this change didn't fix that for us).

Your choice here was probably @JMU for cash or (potentially) @JMU in exchange for a future JMU home game. Our choice was (similarly) @ Baylor in exchange for a future Baylor home game (my preference) or @Missouri for cash.

The difference is largely a matter of perception (heck, we're getting less cash from Missouri than you're getting from JMU). Missouri is a P5 team in the SEC and a CUSA team playing a money game @ an SEC team is pretty much par for the course. It's much less common (and therefore noteworthy) for a CUSA team to play a money game @ another G5 team (much less an FCS transitioning team). That's the point of this thread.

But again, I don't care myself, I'm just saying that if you didn't want to hear from the sideshowjoe's of the world, there was another path here. It still would suck for y'all in real world terms, right? Still just 5 home games. Still short notice change so you'd have limited options.

Your AD gets to make the call for your program. It's a big paycheck. I think it's a perfect storm thing where they're willing to pay way more than they normally would and y'all are in a bind. But the perception may not be great. You'll have to live with (or respond to, or ignore) snide remarks about being the money game team for JMU.

(02-01-2022 06:44 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Cusa is now buy games for FCS move ups? That’s odd.

But mostly it's embarrassing and disappointing. I saw a thread about MT setting their sights on an AAC invitation should Memphis leave for the Big 12. After reading this, I highly doubt the American would be interested.

Nor is Memphis going to the Big 12.

Wow. Getting a 1.5 million payout to play JMU. And it counts as a FBS game because of it is absolute brilliance on MTs part. Sounds like a win win to me. Besides you are helping JMU out. That may come back to you someday.

(02-01-2022 07:30 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 07:16 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:54 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:50 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Cusa is now buy games for FCS move ups? That’s odd.

They already had a game cancelled that they're getting 800k for. JMU is paying them 700k. So they're essentially getting 1.5M to go play a winnable makeup game. Who wouldn't do that? MTSU would never get close to making that much for a home game, even against Mizzou. And JMU really needs FBS games on their schedule, especially at home. I'd say it's win/win. They're getting bodybag pay for playing a team they'll be favored against.

Every football team in the history of C-USA 3.0. FBS programs don't play "body-bag" games at FCS programs. Until now.

Does MT need an extra $700K that bad?

Jim counts as an FBS game for everyone

In 22? Are they moving up next season?

Yes. They will have 8 Sun Belt games, a game against MTSU, and a game against Louisville.

They are officially FBS.

(02-01-2022 06:54 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:50 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 06:34 PM)banker Wrote:  Cusa is now buy games for FCS move ups? That’s odd.

They already had a game cancelled that they're getting 800k for. JMU is paying them 700k. So they're essentially getting 1.5M to go play a winnable makeup game. Who wouldn't do that? MTSU would never get close to making that much for a home game, even against Mizzou. And JMU really needs FBS games on their schedule, especially at home. I'd say it's win/win. They're getting bodybag pay for playing a team they'll be favored against.

Every football team in the history of C-USA 3.0. FBS programs don't play "body-bag" games at FCS programs. Until now.

Does MT need an extra $700K that bad?

Nope. We went to Liberty for 1.3M when they were transitioning to FBS and needed to fill out their schedule. That’s good money for a game we were favored in and only 3 hours away. Of course they skull dragged us but that’s a different convo.

(02-01-2022 10:52 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 10:44 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 09:54 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 09:35 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-01-2022 09:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  Pride maybe?


Come on.

Why would we want a home and home when we just needed to settle this year's schedule?

I get that it's a rare thing, they were desperate, y'all were desperate. They're willing to pay, it's double payout. Sure.

But G5 schools do home and home series together fairly often (and by fairly often I mean almost always). I'm just saying it wasn't your only option.

When you catch eye rolls, you can't pretend that it was. Just say "we wanted the money more than the home game."

Well, if we played them at home it wouldn't have counted as an FBS. So, again the math here ain't hard.

I'll go slow (even though the math ain't hard).

Usually when two schools do a home and away series, they play at one school in one year, and then they play the other game (at the other school) in another year.

It's not always like that, but that's usually how it goes. Now, the trade off is that you don't really get cash, the payment for playing there is that they owe you one.

So what I'm proposing might have been another option here ( and it still wouldn't have been as good as hosting Missouri or anyone else in 2022) is that instead of playing at JMU for 700K, you could have played at JMU in exchange for JMU playing in your stadium in another year.

I'm not saying that would have been the best choice for MTSU. I'm just saying it was another option that existed (and might have been less surface-level embarrassing).

And I'm pretty sure it didn't have to be a game for money in order to help them be FBS. It still counts as their home game even if they have to play y'all at home in 2028 or something.

I think the one who needs things slowed down might be yourself. Yeah that’s how it works when you schedule two, three years in advance or more as most non conf games are scheduled. But when you’re jammed up with eight/nine months to go before the game is scheduled to be played trying to get cute and figure out how to parlay that into future games is not only risky it’s plain stupid to add additional complexity when both teams are just trying to figure out how do we make this year work with so little time left. It’s simply not the priority at this point in time. Not sure why this is so hard to understand that this is the equivalent of last minute scheduling because of the actions taken by Missouri. If you can’t grasp this I can’t help you as I can’t state it anymore clearly.

If it they simply didn't have the time, I guess they didn't have the time. Takes months to load up their future schedules and go "how about 2027?"

There's no time! Just write a check! We can't be bothered to quibble for years over a return game, that's unheard of! Would take way to long to settle in time.

How complex do you think this is?

If y'all just wanted the money, it's ok. But you had other options (I hear Baylor might be looking for a game).

Just stfu. It didn't happen that way. I'm sure they made the best deal possible. A brand new FBS school has no idea what they're going to be doing for the near future. Thye threw out cash for a game and MTSU jumped on it because they had an opening. It's not embarrassing, it's not a bad move, it makes business sense, and I can't figure out why you're more butthurt over it than they are. If your AD has the same attitude when dealing with other schools, it's no wonder your stuck where you are. At least MTSU chose to stay CUSA. You had no choice.

Other than leaving fans with 5 home games I don’t see a problem. G5/G5 buy games are rare because we can’t afford them, not because of some status symbol. Anyone who’s transitioned to FBS had to have other FBS schools come to them the first year. Weird take Joe.

(02-02-2022 11:30 AM)MUther Wrote:  Just stfu. It didn't happen that way.

Thanks for your input! Tell how us how it happened and please help me to find the exact level of message board opinion I'm allowed on the matter (you know, because you have so much more interest here than I do).

Of course it didn't happen that way, that was meant to be sarcasm because he said there was no time to bother with any other options (like a one-for-one).

1. They're catching snide remarks for this. Deservedly or not. Obviously you think it's cool, so take that up with sideshowjoe for ridiculing them about it.
2. The MTSU defense was "our hands were tied, nothing else in the whole wide world could have happened, it was decreed from time immemorial that under these circumstances this is the only outcome possible."
3. I disagreed.
4. I was told I was wrong.
5. I disagreed.
6. You think I'm "butthurt" and shouldn't comment (but your comments on my comments are relevant).

I've said 50 times they're allowed to make whatever decisions they want to make for their program.

(02-02-2022 11:19 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Wow. Getting a 1.5 million payout to play JMU. And it counts as a FBS game because of it is absolute brilliance on MTs part. Sounds like a win win to me. Besides you are helping JMU out. That may come back to you someday.

Yeah. I don't get the hate in this thread. Seems like an elegant solution for everyone.

(02-02-2022 12:10 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(02-02-2022 11:19 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  Wow. Getting a 1.5 million payout to play JMU. And it counts as a FBS game because of it is absolute brilliance on MTs part. Sounds like a win win to me. Besides you are helping JMU out. That may come back to you someday.

Yeah. I don't get the hate in this thread. Seems like an elegant solution for everyone.

Agreed.

Can anyone tell me WHY taking cash instead of a return game is more embarrassing for MT?

Again, I think MT’s AD bares some responsibility for them having only 5 home games this year regardless of the late back out by Missouri. But that’s the only negative I can see.