I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want an auto bid for the P5.


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(01-28-2022 11:23 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want an auto bid for the P5.


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I can think of two motivations.

1) The six highest rated is the most fair system and best for the long-term health of college football.
2) This will highlight what we've all been saying for months now -- that the "new" Big 12 is a better league from top to bottom than both the ACC and PAC-12.

When the Big 12's champion gets in easily every year while the PAC-12's is battling it out with the AAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt for its spot, it will force everyone to acknowledge what we already know and end this silly Little 12 narrative once and for all.

(01-28-2022 11:39 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 11:23 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want an auto bid for the P5.


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I can think of two motivations.

1) The six highest rated is the most fair system and best for the long-term health of college football.
2) This will highlight what we've all been saying for months now -- that the "new" Big 12 is a better league from top to bottom than both the ACC and PAC-12.

When the Big 12's champion gets in easily every year while the PAC-12's is battling it out with the AAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt for its spot, it will force everyone to acknowledge what we already know and end this silly Little 12 narrative once and for all.

I fully agree. The main conference pushing this autobids narrative is the Pac 12, as the year the playoff expansion was proposed, they were behind the AAC, Sun Belt, and I believe the MWC too.

Bowlsby has commented in the past that placing too much advantage to P5 conferences lands you in front of congressional committees.

What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

lol you really are shell shocked. Don't worry, Bowlsby is unlikely to get what he wants but if he did it would be great for everyone including the Big 12.

The winner of the Big 12 Championship game is going to be ranked in the sixth highest conference champions 99.999999% of the time.

6 conference champions and 2 at large bids would be perfect in my opinion.

(01-28-2022 11:55 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 11:39 AM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 11:23 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I don’t understand why he wouldn’t want an auto bid for the P5.


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I can think of two motivations.

1) The six highest rated is the most fair system and best for the long-term health of college football.
2) This will highlight what we've all been saying for months now -- that the "new" Big 12 is a better league from top to bottom than both the ACC and PAC-12.

When the Big 12's champion gets in easily every year while the PAC-12's is battling it out with the AAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt for its spot, it will force everyone to acknowledge what we already know and end this silly Little 12 narrative once and for all.

I fully agree. The main conference pushing this autobids narrative is the Pac 12, as the year the playoff expansion was proposed, they were behind the AAC, Sun Belt, and I believe the MWC too.

It’s actually the B1G commissioner that has been adamant about the auto bid for the P5.


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(01-28-2022 12:49 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

lol you really are shell shocked. Don't worry, Bowlsby is unlikely to get what he wants but if he did it would be great for everyone including the Big 12.

The winner of the Big 12 Championship game is going to be ranked in the sixth highest conference champions 99.999999% of the time.

6 conference champions and 2 at large bids would be perfect in my opinion.

Yes I am

Personally I am ok with either. It will be very rare that 2 G5 champs are ahead of any P5.

Interesting if not foretelling position for the Big 12 leadership to take? Clue to the possible future once OU & UT are gone?

(01-29-2022 09:50 AM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  Interesting if not foretelling position for the Big 12 leadership to take? Clue to the possible future once OU & UT are gone?

The "new" Big 12 just had three teams finish ahead of OU in the final AP poll. Oklahoma closed the year at No. 10.

The Big 12 will be just fine competitively after OU and UT are gone.

I think he is hedging against B12 loss of P5 status, and it is definitely the right move. With the loss of Nebraska, Texas, Texas AM and Oklahoma, the biggest brands have left B12. However, there is definitely still quality football here and the B12 champ should still be top 6 conference champ in most years. I could be wrong, but P5 seems driven more by brand status than actual football quality, so Big 12 status is taking a big hit after OUT exodus.

(01-31-2022 02:32 PM)GoldenFunk Wrote:  I think he is hedging against B12 loss of P5 status, and it is definitely the right move. With the loss of Nebraska, Texas, Texas AM and Oklahoma, the biggest brands have left B12. However, there is definitely still quality football here and the B12 champ should still be top 6 conference champ in most years. I could be wrong, but P5 seems driven more by brand status than actual football quality, so Big 12 status is taking a big hit after OUT exodus.

"Power 5," in the way many use it for the purpose of this discussion, is a media generated narrative that basically means nothing. What matters is that the Big 12 is an autonomy 5 conference and will remain so unless or until something happens legislatively to change that.

The Big 12 can't be removed as one of the five autonomous conferences because national pundits don't think it's good enough. This league's status as a P5 is pretty well cemented for the time being.

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

Fully agree here. We want a system that unequivocally defines the Big 12 as a power conference. Otherwise, the media and recruits will start treating us like a barely superior version of the AAC.

(01-31-2022 04:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

Fully agree here. We want a system that unequivocally defines the Big 12 as a power conference. Otherwise, the media and recruits will start treating us like a barely superior version of the AAC.

Then we need to win big out-of-conference games and playoff/bowl matchups. That's how you get respect.

With no name brands, this conference isn't going to trick anyone into thinking it's good. It's going to need to prove that it's good on the field. Fortunately, most of these team have already proven they're good on the field. They just need to continue to do so.

(01-31-2022 04:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

Fully agree here. We want a system that unequivocally defines the Big 12 as a power conference. Otherwise, the media and recruits will start treating us like a barely superior version of the AAC.

ESPN already treats the Pac and Big 12 this way. There is nothing to worry about, get your programs throwing $$$$ bags at these recruits and they will come. Nobody is going to compete with the SEC so don't try to compare the Big 12 to the SEC. When you compare the Big 12 to the ACC and the Pac the idea of being marginalized is pretty funny.

Then consider what is left outside of the P5 and it is even more hilarious.

Y'all are big boys now, time to act like it and write your own narrative not parrot the SECs. Or just let the play on the field write the narrative, but c'mon man don't continue this narrative that belittles yourself and your new conference.

If the Alliance needs our vote they can invite us to their little Alliance club. They don't want to because they intend to poach teams if needed.

I am happy with either the Top 6 champs or the P5 champs model. The core being we expand past 4-team format.

(01-31-2022 04:16 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 04:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

Fully agree here. We want a system that unequivocally defines the Big 12 as a power conference. Otherwise, the media and recruits will start treating us like a barely superior version of the AAC.

ESPN already treats the Pac and Big 12 this way. There is nothing to worry about, get your programs throwing $$$$ bags at these recruits and they will come. Nobody is going to compete with the SEC so don't try to compare the Big 12 to the SEC. When you compare the Big 12 to the ACC and the Pac the idea of being marginalized is pretty funny.

Then consider what is left outside of the P5 and it is even more hilarious.

Y'all are big boys now, time to act like it and write your own narrative not parrot the SECs. Or just let the play on the field write the narrative, but c'mon man don't continue this narrative that belittles yourself and your new conference.

This. The "new" Big 12 is a good league, and we'll have ample opportunity to prove it on the field and court. That needs to be every member's priority.

We'll write the national narrative by how well we compete against good out-of-conference opponents when we have those opportunities. What pundits think in the meantime is meaningless.

The Big 12 won't be the SEC or the Big Ten. But there's no reason our top teams can't meet some of theirs on the field and win our share of games. And we should be every bit as good as the ACC and PAC-12 from top to bottom, if not better.

It's good that the Big 12 is now full of programs with chips on their shoulder. It's that edge that allows our programs to compete with and beat the blue bloods. But we don't need to feel sorry for ourselves or create grievance narratives that feed into erroneous national perceptions of this league's relative strength. Just let our on-field product speak for itself.

(01-31-2022 04:28 PM)bear2be2 Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 04:16 PM)hiphopfroggy Wrote:  

(01-31-2022 04:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 12:32 PM)TWCoog Wrote:  What I worry about is that it is the Big 12 battling it out for the last spot due to bias from a committee or some other manmade ranking system. My uneasiness is most likely due to being on the outside looking in for so many years. But after finally getting the golden ticket, I want whatever is best to keep that ticket and to me it is a auto bid for our new conference.

Fully agree here. We want a system that unequivocally defines the Big 12 as a power conference. Otherwise, the media and recruits will start treating us like a barely superior version of the AAC.

ESPN already treats the Pac and Big 12 this way. There is nothing to worry about, get your programs throwing $$$$ bags at these recruits and they will come. Nobody is going to compete with the SEC so don't try to compare the Big 12 to the SEC. When you compare the Big 12 to the ACC and the Pac the idea of being marginalized is pretty funny.

Then consider what is left outside of the P5 and it is even more hilarious.

Y'all are big boys now, time to act like it and write your own narrative not parrot the SECs. Or just let the play on the field write the narrative, but c'mon man don't continue this narrative that belittles yourself and your new conference.

This. The "new" Big 12 is a good league, and we'll have ample opportunity to prove it on the field and court. That needs to be every member's priority.

We'll write the national narrative by how well we compete against good out-of-conference opponents when we have those opportunities. What pundits think in the meantime is meaningless.

The Big 12 won't be the SEC or the Big Ten. But there's no reason our top teams can't meet some of theirs on the field and win our share of games. And we should be every bit as good as the ACC and PAC-12 from top to bottom, if not better.

It's good that the Big 12 is now full of programs with chips on their shoulder. It's that edge that allows our programs to compete with and beat the blue bloods. But we don't need to feel sorry for ourselves or create grievance narratives that feed into erroneous national perceptions of this league's relative strength. Just let our on-field product will speak for itself.

Agreed!


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