(04-03-2022 04:08 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Stop misusing the word travel partner. Boise State is 6 hours from BYU by car. Colorado State is 7. Add another 20% to that in a bus. That is not a travel partner. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Once the team gets on a plane, its no longer a travel partner. The only "travel partner" is Utah. The idea of a travel partner is one plane trip and then drivable other locations for road trips for non-revenue sports. Flying to BYU and then having to still fly to Fort Collins or Boise is not a travel partner.

weather permitting a 6 hours road trip is very drivable; traffic out west is no where near I95 or I65 or I35

(04-06-2022 12:22 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 04:08 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Stop misusing the word travel partner. Boise State is 6 hours from BYU by car. Colorado State is 7. Add another 20% to that in a bus. That is not a travel partner. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Once the team gets on a plane, its no longer a travel partner. The only "travel partner" is Utah. The idea of a travel partner is one plane trip and then drivable other locations for road trips for non-revenue sports. Flying to BYU and then having to still fly to Fort Collins or Boise is not a travel partner.

weather permitting a 6 hours road trip is very drivable; traffic out west is no where near I95 or I65 or I35

For a fan? Sure. But you aren't driving the women's softball team, coaches, etc in a bus for 6 or 7 hours from BYU to Boise when you already flew to BYU from Lubbock. Travel partners make road swings possible. 6 and 7 hour drives in a car with no traffic don't make road swings with a bus as cost effective as just continuing to fly around. And again, once you're flying anyways, travel partner is now a dead term.

(04-06-2022 02:58 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 12:22 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 04:08 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Stop misusing the word travel partner. Boise State is 6 hours from BYU by car. Colorado State is 7. Add another 20% to that in a bus. That is not a travel partner. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Once the team gets on a plane, its no longer a travel partner. The only "travel partner" is Utah. The idea of a travel partner is one plane trip and then drivable other locations for road trips for non-revenue sports. Flying to BYU and then having to still fly to Fort Collins or Boise is not a travel partner.

weather permitting a 6 hours road trip is very drivable; traffic out west is no where near I95 or I65 or I35

I don't think this guy has been on I-25 heading north out of Denver to Wyoming en route to SLC lately. It's absurd traffic basically until you get to Cheyenne or just a little south of it.

Quote:For a fan? Sure. But you aren't driving the women's softball team, coaches, etc in a bus for 6 or 7 hours from BYU to Boise when you already flew to BYU from Lubbock. Travel partners make road swings possible. 6 and 7 hour drives in a car with no traffic don't make road swings with a bus as cost effective as just continuing to fly around. And again, once you're flying anyways, travel partner is now a dead term.

Agree, travel partners are what the PAC-10 had: USC/UCLA, Cal/Stanford, Arizona/Arizona St., Oregon/Oregon St. Only UW/WSU is any significant travel time. The way it was set up was that if you were say Arizona State, you'd fly into San Francisco. Play Stanford on Thursday, play Cal on Saturday. Could even stay in the same hotel. That's travel partners. These 8 hour bus rides or additional plane trips aren't travel partners.

And I also don't understand the need to "bridge the gap" like we're playing Risk. We don't have to have contiguous states. It might look nicer on a map, but there is no business reason for it. People talk about Colorado State or Boise or whatever to "bridge the gap" to BYU, but I don't see anyone saying we need to add UAB to "bridge the gap" to UCF or Northern Illinois to "bridge the gap" to Cincinnati/WVU. We don't need it out west either. We need to add the programs with the most value and the best competitiveness.

One could make it to boise from Provo in just under 5 hours and from boise to slc in 4. You guys drive slow lol

(04-06-2022 03:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  One could make it to boise from Provo in just under 5 hours and from boise to slc in 4. You guys drive slow lol

Well, tour buses drive slow. They're aren't motoring down the interstate at 80+ most likely.

(04-02-2022 11:22 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Note: The terms "western" and "eastern" refers to a school's location in relation to most of the league in general, and specifically in relation to my beloved University of Houston.

I'd like to see us expand by two after the Orangebloods and Boomer Sooner U leave the Big XII. We have the Big XIV trademarked so we should be able to use it.

My biggest thing is we need to give BYU a travel partner first. The question is whether that should be Boise State or Colorado State. I pick the latter because it gets the league back into the Centennial State as well as provide a bit of a "land bridge" between the states of Utah, Kansas, and Oklahoma. (And not to mention Colorado, the state itself, is not far from the Texas Panhandle.) Of course, the Broncos have been incredibly relevant since the turn of the millennium so it should be a no-brainer to add them...right? I mean they've played in three BCS games already! However, they're still on the outside looking in while TCU has played in two BCS games during back to back seasons and got invited to two BCS leagues, ultimately joining this one. Boise State...well, nobody has yet to invite them, not even the Pac 12, which to me makes the most sense. (Then again, we could just add both. There are a lot of Mormons in both Colorado and Idaho so that would definitely help out BYU.)

As for an eastern school, well, we've got two options out of the AAC: Memphis and South Florida. Neither has an OC football stadium, though the Bulls are supposedly working on it. USF would give the state of Florida a sixth Power 5 school, just like the Lone Star State will have starting in 2023. Conversely, Memphis would be the only other Power 5 school in Tennessee if admitted into the league, plus you'd be creating a travel partner for Cincinnati and West Virginia. Not only that, but you'd be bridging a gap between most of the eastern and central part of the conference. The only outlier would be UCF, and even they wouldn't be bothered by this very much because Orlando has a major airport. (Or we could just add both of them at the same time, giving UCF an in-state travel partner as well as provide a nice destination spot in Memphis.)

Academically, Colorado State and Memphis would be great additions due to their R1 Carnegie status. I can't say anything about USF. I don't know how their academic standing is. Boise State, well, I'm not sure either.

So my leading candidates are as follows: Memphis and South Florida (USF) from the east, and Boise State and Colorado State from the west.

My most ideal choices, though, are Colorado State and Memphis. Take one western school and one eastern school and appease both sides.

USF getting in would give Florida its fifth P5 school, not it’s sixth. UF, FSU, Miami, UCF… that’s 4… USF makes 5.

Memphis is great add, not sure about usf. If going west add CSU, Boise, and Wyoming or Utah State. I’d really like to get SMU in the Big12 I just don’t see that happening unless TCU or Tech gets poached by someone else

(04-06-2022 04:50 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 03:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  One could make it to boise from Provo in just under 5 hours and from boise to slc in 4. You guys drive slow lol

Well, tour buses drive slow. They're aren't motoring down the interstate at 80+ most likely.

Gotta live fast and take chances.

(04-06-2022 06:07 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  I’d really like to get SMU in the Big12 I just don’t see that happening unless TCU or Tech gets poached by someone else

With Texas gone, and Bowlsby gone, Rice and SMU have a legitimate chance to get into the Big 12. I don't think either TCU or Tech would blackball them.

Expansion is dead. There is no 2nd wave.

We don't have a commissioner and there a lot of spinning plates at the moment.
- Hire a new commissioner
- TX/OU exit timeline and exit fee agreement
- New member entry timeline
- New format, divisions setup
- tv negotiations are coming up

Big12 wont add anyone until they get pillaged themselves.

ACC might get poached in 2030 but they have 14 football teams. They can lose 2 teams and still decide to stay at 12.

(04-07-2022 10:10 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Expansion is dead. There is no 2nd wave.

We don't have a commissioner and there a lot of spinning plates at the moment.
- Hire a new commissioner
- TX/OU exit timeline and exit fee agreement
- New member entry timeline
- New format, divisions setup
- tv negotiations are coming up

Big12 wont add anyone until they get pillaged themselves.

ACC might get poached in 2030 but they have 14 football teams. They can lose 2 teams and still decide to stay at 12.

This... for now. Expansion seems to come in increments of 8-10 years. As a UC grad I've seen UC join CUSA in 1995, the Big East in 2005, the Big East blow up and formation of the AAC in 2014, and now UC will likely be in the BXII by 2023.

(04-06-2022 08:17 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 06:07 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  I’d really like to get SMU in the Big12 I just don’t see that happening unless TCU or Tech gets poached by someone else

With Texas gone, and Bowlsby gone, Rice and SMU have a legitimate chance to get into the Big 12. I don't think either TCU or Tech would blackball them.

Rice, RICE??? LMAO!! USF, Boise, Colorado St., San Diego St., Memphis, SMU and even Tulane are far more likely to get an invite. And that’s literally going in order of who has been mentioned in the media and from the schools in the big 12 themselves.

The fact is any more Texas school getting an invite will be a last resort that only happens if the Big 12 is poached again. And there is a good chance that it may not be a conference worth joining at that point.


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(04-06-2022 03:08 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 02:58 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 12:22 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 04:08 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  Stop misusing the word travel partner. Boise State is 6 hours from BYU by car. Colorado State is 7. Add another 20% to that in a bus. That is not a travel partner. An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Once the team gets on a plane, its no longer a travel partner. The only "travel partner" is Utah. The idea of a travel partner is one plane trip and then drivable other locations for road trips for non-revenue sports. Flying to BYU and then having to still fly to Fort Collins or Boise is not a travel partner.

weather permitting a 6 hours road trip is very drivable; traffic out west is no where near I95 or I65 or I35

I don't think this guy has been on I-25 heading north out of Denver to Wyoming en route to SLC lately. It's absurd traffic basically until you get to Cheyenne or just a little south of it.

Quote:For a fan? Sure. But you aren't driving the women's softball team, coaches, etc in a bus for 6 or 7 hours from BYU to Boise when you already flew to BYU from Lubbock. Travel partners make road swings possible. 6 and 7 hour drives in a car with no traffic don't make road swings with a bus as cost effective as just continuing to fly around. And again, once you're flying anyways, travel partner is now a dead term.

Agree, travel partners are what the PAC-10 had: USC/UCLA, Cal/Stanford, Arizona/Arizona St., Oregon/Oregon St. Only UW/WSU is any significant travel time. The way it was set up was that if you were say Arizona State, you'd fly into San Francisco. Play Stanford on Thursday, play Cal on Saturday. Could even stay in the same hotel. That's travel partners. These 8 hour bus rides or additional plane trips aren't travel partners.

And I also don't understand the need to "bridge the gap" like we're playing Risk. We don't have to have contiguous states. It might look nicer on a map, but there is no business reason for it. People talk about Colorado State or Boise or whatever to "bridge the gap" to BYU, but I don't see anyone saying we need to add UAB to "bridge the gap" to UCF or Northern Illinois to "bridge the gap" to Cincinnati/WVU. We don't need it out west either. We need to add the programs with the most value and the best competitiveness.

traffic is bad around denver metro areas yes. but cannot be worse than rush hour traffic around dc.
but you can avoid denver completely from provo

(04-06-2022 08:17 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-06-2022 06:07 PM)Bobcats2011 Wrote:  I’d really like to get SMU in the Big12 I just don’t see that happening unless TCU or Tech gets poached by someone else

With Texas gone, and Bowlsby gone, Rice and SMU have a legitimate chance to get into the Big 12. I don't think either TCU or Tech would blackball them.

Rice isn’t getting in any P5 conference unless the BIG10 pulls another Rutgers. SMU has a chance yes, but I heard in last round that the other Texas schools voted no on SMU and now Houston would be a 4th No. I hope I’m wrong, I’d really like SMU in the B12. They have just about as much right as TCU, Houston and Baylor. Just need the city of Dallas to show up and support the team. As well as continue the recent football success. Other Texas teams might be hesitant to add SMU now that players can legally get paid

(03-24-2022 06:52 AM)dave108 Wrote:  

(03-24-2022 03:53 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Lots of Boise talk

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...lft1llr4ah

Jackson

while boise is still kinda a name to the casual fan, it seems like they've slipped some over the last few years. i get that the decision to expand, if its made, to a great extent involves eyeballs, buzz, ratings, etc. but, with its other shortcomings, including that damn blue field, does Boise realistically check enough boxes? then again, who else still in the G5 does? the new schools coming in have good markets, good names, have spent on facilities, etc. they worked to position themselves. who, among those left, can say the same?

SDSU is the best school in Mountain West & maybe the best available G5
https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2...onference/

(03-24-2022 12:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Boise is a no brainer. They draw eyeballs, even after a bit of a decline. They’re a natural rival for BYU and about 4 hours away from SLC. 2 in the mountain time zones gives potential to broadcast games all day. They have a winning history and basically the only remaining candidate that does.

Memphis and Boise are low hanging fruit. Memphis makes short flights for wvu, UC, and Texas schools.

SDSU > Boise & it’s not close

(03-25-2022 12:35 PM)CYOWA Wrote:  

(03-25-2022 11:58 AM)SDSUguy Wrote:  New stadium opening in September
As I stated previously, what's really appealing is the lack of an NFL franchise to compete with every weekend. The Aztecs will be a bigger draw now.

excellent academics

Compared to what? Boise State?

top notch basketball (higher attendance than UCLA)
That's wild considering UCLA's basketball history, but not that shocking.

Boise State was a junior college and trucking school about 30 years ago. The entire state of Idaho is 1.7 million and San Diego County is 3.4 million.
Boom.

SDSU will be R1 in less than 5 years

Big12 should stay at 12 so AAC2.0 can maintain its P6 status and MW would become P7. Now P7 can easily outvote the G3 on issues. ;P

I think it is very likely that expansion is dead for a few years.

(03-24-2022 03:53 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Lots of Boise talk

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/c...lft1llr4ah

Jackson

Boise is dying on the vine. Harsin wasn't anything close to Peterson. The new Boise coach is not close to as good as Harsin.