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RE: MBB vs Ball State Cardinals
I would like to see Myrick get some minutes in the post to see what you have for next few years and some valuable laying experience
01-28-2022 05:44 PM
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(01-28-2022 03:37 PM)Growler83 Wrote:  Here are some random observations after attending last night’s game.
This teams plays hard and is fun to watch even though they are not winning.
Last night’s game was a winnable game and like most conference games, winning and losing comes down to a few key possessions. As this team gains experience, I believe these losses will become wins.
Quickness and athletic ability is a strength of this team. I really like the energy Russell brings off the bench. His quickness in creating turnovers keyed a run that led to a brief lead.
Need post players that can finish better around the rim. The effort is there but the execution isn’t. Also there is a need for more physically mature baseline players. Our post players are constantly fighting foul trouble due to lack of size.
Cochran’s outside and free throw shooting has really improved. He was very pumped for the game last night. He came out to take the floor before the tip-off screaming and chest bumping his teammates.
The student section had three rows of fans which is more than we normally have. Even though they were small, they were very into the game and were fun to watch. The even cheered on the floor mop guy. I hope they continue to grow in numbers.

I wasn't at the game but pretty much watch every game on "tv" and I 100% agree with every single point here.
01-28-2022 09:43 PM
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(01-28-2022 05:44 PM)NIU89 Wrote:  I would like to see Myrick get some minutes in the post to see what you have for next few years and some valuable laying experience

I'm pretty sure he's hurt. He hasn't seen the floor since Dec. 4.
01-28-2022 09:45 PM
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RE: MBB vs Ball State Cardinals
(01-28-2022 05:21 PM)Growler83 Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 04:01 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 03:37 PM)Growler83 Wrote:  Here are some random observations after attending last night’s game.
This teams plays hard and is fun to watch even though they are not winning.
Last night’s game was a winnable game and like most conference games, winning and losing comes down to a few key possessions. As this team gains experience, I believe these losses will become wins.
Quickness and athletic ability is a strength of this team. I really like the energy Russell brings off the bench. His quickness in creating turnovers keyed a run that led to a brief lead.
Need post players that can finish better around the rim. The effort is there but the execution isn’t. Also there is a need for more physically mature baseline players. Our post players are constantly fighting foul trouble due to lack of size.
Cochran’s outside and free throw shooting has really improved. He was very pumped for the game last night. He came out to take the floor before the tip-off screaming and chest bumping his teammates.
The student section had three rows of fans which is more than we normally have. Even though they were small, they were very into the game and were fun to watch. The even cheered on the floor mop guy. I hope they continue to grow in numbers.

Good comments, however, I don’t understand the “As this team gains experience, I believe these losses will become wins” narrative. If you look at the roster, we have six seniors and four juniors on the 14 man roster. I have also heard the broadcasters (particularly road broadcasts) refer to how young we are. This is NOT a young team, in fact, it is very heavily upperclassmen. Thankfully, I think it will help Coach Burno turnover this roster, which clearly needs to happen.
I was looking at the future starting next year. I agree there could be a lot of turnover with the front line going into next year. That is where most of the upper class men are.
It’s hard to tell right now who will be moving on or returning with the extra year of eligibility. It could improve this season as this years players continue to adapt and gain experience with the new coach and system, plus there are a lot of new players who have not played together before.

Right. This is how I interpret it as well.

Just going off of the roster and how they have players listed by class. This team will see the following players depart:

Trendon Hankerson
Kingsley Okanu
Zool Kueth
Adong Makuoi
Anthony Crump

I could see Crump returning for that extra year. This isn't based on anything other than I just think he's the kind of guy who just wants to play basketball and this is about as good as it gets for him.

IMO, Hankerson, Okanu, Kueth, and Makuoi are gone. Either way, even if Crump stays, they get to replace his scholarship slot (same with any of these guys who decide to go).

Then, the seniors on the team are:

Kaleb Thornton
Chris Osten (he's listed as a senior but I was under the impression he was coming to NIU with 2 years of eligibility remaining. I do know, he's not eligible for the extra covid year because of his transfer. Well...I'm pretty sure that's the rule).
Edward Manuel
Darweshi Hunter
Drew Weimers
Yazid Powell

Outside of Thornton and Powell, this is a group of depth. Osten is a body that can best utilize 5 fouls. Manual is a non-factor but isn't a liability on the floor. Hunter is okay. Weimers is a walk-on who never plays.

The juniors would be:

Keshawn Williams
Maurice Mitchell (I think...he might be a sophomore though)

This is a small group but (if Mitchell is in this group), this is the strength of the team.

The sophomores would be:

Noah Kon
Zion Russell
David Coit

All guard depth baring a transfer of some kind. Kon could really develop. I think we all like Russell. I don't know a ton about Coit.

The freshmen would be:

Montavious Myrick (assuming he redshirts)
Xavier Amos

These are two big post players who could be really good.

I think there's 1 more scholarship slot available unless Osten is actually a senior and moves on. In that case, there would be 2 slots.

If there's just one, I would have a hard time deciding who I'd slot as my top choice (of the offers on the table). However, if there's 2 slots, I'd 100% want to have Jaylen Drane (from Simeon) and Anthony Roy (JUCO transfer).

And yes...I'm fully aware I put together a comment like this about once a week in the post-game threads. I'm just going to have to insist you get used to it. I'm clearly obsessed with it. ;-)
01-28-2022 10:04 PM
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I just got to looking up some stuff on Coit because I just wanted a better understanding of Coach's attraction to him and it looks like he's a better scorer than I initially realized.

The team he plays for (Atlantic Cape CC) is 16-3 and 95 ppg. Coit is the leading scorer on the team averaging 31.7 ppg and he's pouring it in from behind the arc (54.2% - 83 of 153). He's also a great FT shooter (88.5% - 115 of 130).

I initially did a cursory search on him and when I had trouble finding any video on him, I think I prematurely cut it short.

I just realized, his college broadcasts all of their games on YouTube. I just watched about half of their last game. They were playing Brookdale who seems to be quite good.

Coit is thick and strong and really athletic but my goodness is he tiny. He's listed at 5'11". I'd be surprised if he's over 5'10" (meaning, I think he might actually be shorter than that).

ACCC has Coit and a sophomore guard named Richard Jones (played at Mississippi Valley State last year) and everything runs through those two. They are clearly the best players on the team. I wasn't overly impressed with their post players. But Coit and Jones can really shoot. Like...REALLY shoot. Jones is a little taller and has a slighter build. Coit looks like a high school fullback. He runs on his toes and can jump a little. I like him but again...he's really short. Now, I'm not saying he can't succeed in the MAC.

As we all know, having a true 3PT threat is of great importance for next year's team. Our threats will be Thornton and Williams (as far as I can tell) and neither of them are very big. Same goes with Coit but he's quick and can hopefully get open.
01-28-2022 10:39 PM
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(01-28-2022 10:39 PM)Big Red Wrote:  I just got to looking up some stuff on Coit because I just wanted a better understanding of Coach's attraction to him and it looks like he's a better scorer than I initially realized.

The team he plays for (Atlantic Cape CC) is 16-3 and 95 ppg. Coit is the leading scorer on the team averaging 31.7 ppg and he's pouring it in from behind the arc (54.2% - 83 of 153). He's also a great FT shooter (88.5% - 115 of 130).

I initially did a cursory search on him and when I had trouble finding any video on him, I think I prematurely cut it short.

I just realized, his college broadcasts all of their games on YouTube. I just watched about half of their last game. They were playing Brookdale who seems to be quite good.

Coit is thick and strong and really athletic but my goodness is he tiny. He's listed at 5'11". I'd be surprised if he's over 5'10" (meaning, I think he might actually be shorter than that).

ACCC has Coit and a sophomore guard named Richard Jones (played at Mississippi Valley State last year) and everything runs through those two. They are clearly the best players on the team. I wasn't overly impressed with their post players. But Coit and Jones can really shoot. Like...REALLY shoot. Jones is a little taller and has a slighter build. Coit looks like a high school fullback. He runs on his toes and can jump a little. I like him but again...he's really short. Now, I'm not saying he can't succeed in the MAC.

As we all know, having a true 3PT threat is of great importance for next year's team. Our threats will be Thornton and Williams (as far as I can tell) and neither of them are very big. Same goes with Coit but he's quick and can hopefully get open.
It sounds like you are describing Rashon Burno. Maybe he sees a little of himself in David Coit and he played at DePaul. Loren Cristian Jackson was really short and he killed the Huskies a couple years back.
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(01-28-2022 11:03 PM)huskie87fan Wrote:  
(01-28-2022 10:39 PM)Big Red Wrote:  I just got to looking up some stuff on Coit because I just wanted a better understanding of Coach's attraction to him and it looks like he's a better scorer than I initially realized.

The team he plays for (Atlantic Cape CC) is 16-3 and 95 ppg. Coit is the leading scorer on the team averaging 31.7 ppg and he's pouring it in from behind the arc (54.2% - 83 of 153). He's also a great FT shooter (88.5% - 115 of 130).

I initially did a cursory search on him and when I had trouble finding any video on him, I think I prematurely cut it short.

I just realized, his college broadcasts all of their games on YouTube. I just watched about half of their last game. They were playing Brookdale who seems to be quite good.

Coit is thick and strong and really athletic but my goodness is he tiny. He's listed at 5'11". I'd be surprised if he's over 5'10" (meaning, I think he might actually be shorter than that).

ACCC has Coit and a sophomore guard named Richard Jones (played at Mississippi Valley State last year) and everything runs through those two. They are clearly the best players on the team. I wasn't overly impressed with their post players. But Coit and Jones can really shoot. Like...REALLY shoot. Jones is a little taller and has a slighter build. Coit looks like a high school fullback. He runs on his toes and can jump a little. I like him but again...he's really short. Now, I'm not saying he can't succeed in the MAC.

As we all know, having a true 3PT threat is of great importance for next year's team. Our threats will be Thornton and Williams (as far as I can tell) and neither of them are very big. Same goes with Coit but he's quick and can hopefully get open.
It sounds like you are describing Rashon Burno. Maybe he sees a little of himself in David Coit and he played at DePaul. Loren Cristian Jackson was really short and he killed the Huskies a couple years back.

Epic Mind Blown


Oh my....

You are correct. He just recruited himself!!!!
01-29-2022 12:06 AM
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2nd year in a row Hankerson's performance has declined from the previous year! How does that happen? 2-10 against BSU.
At a certain point, statistically, (20% I think qualifies) his shooting becomes a liability. Stop shooting!
TG for Williams. Scored 16 points, all in the 2nd half. I always feel better when Williams is on the floor, fun to watch.
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